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The British people in general hate freedom

Postby mrswdk on Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:15 pm

Call for a ban on robots designed as sex toys

A campaign has been launched calling for a ban on the development of robots that can be used for sex.

Such a use of the technology is unnecessary and undesirable, said campaign leader Dr Kathleen Richardson.

Sex dolls already on the market are becoming more sophisticated and some are now hoping to build artificial intelligence into their products.

Those working in the field say that there is a need for such robots.

Dr Richardson, a robot ethicist at De Montfort University in Leicester, wants to raise awareness of the issue and persuade those developing sex robots to rethink how their technology is used.

"Sex robots seem to be a growing focus in the robotics industry and the models that they draw on - how they will look, what roles they would play - are very disturbing indeed," she told the BBC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-34118482

Assisted Dying Bill: MPs reject 'right to die' law

MPs have rejected plans for a right to die in England and Wales in their first vote on the issue in almost 20 years.

In a free vote in the Commons, 118 MPs were in favour and 330 against plans to allow some terminally ill adults to end their lives with medical supervision.

In a passionate debate, some argued the plans allowed a "dignified and peaceful death" while others said they were "totally unacceptable".

Pro-assisted dying campaigners said the result showed MPs were out of touch.

Under the proposals, people with fewer than six months to live could have been prescribed a lethal dose of drugs, which they had to be able to take themselves. Two doctors and a High Court judge would have needed to approve each case.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-34208624
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Postby saxitoxin on Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:21 pm

mrswdk wrote:
Assisted Dying Bill: MPs reject 'right to die' law


Undeterred, Labour still signs a suicide pact.

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Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:51 pm

From Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary ... _Hong_Kong
China and Hong Kong

Euthanasia is a criminal offense in China. For example, in Shanghai a 67-year-old man was sentenced to 5 years in prison when he euthanized his 92-year-old mother when she emerged from a hospital procedure only able to move one finger and one toe. The sentence was considered lenient, because he had displayed filial piety toward his mother.


And
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_suicide#China
China

An article in People's Daily reported that "Nine people from Xi'an City in China made news when they 'jointly wrote to local media asking for euthanasia, or mercy killings'". These people had uremia, a disease due to the failure of the kidneys, and expressed their "unbearable suffering and [an unwillingness] to burden their families any more". The article stated because it is illegal for doctors to help their patients die, all that could be done for them was to ask the doctors to ease their pain.



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Postby notyou2 on Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:35 pm

You need to reject the entire caste system and let the common man elect common people, not some asshole whose great great great great great great great grandfather invented the writing quill and the family is still living off the avails. OVERTHROW YOUR GOVERNMENT!!!
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Postby mrswdk on Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:39 pm

This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

This is a place to discuss the dismal defeat freedom suffered in the House of Commons just days ago. RIP Freedom ;_;
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Postby subtleknifewield on Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:23 pm

mrswdk wrote:This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

This is a place to discuss the dismal defeat freedom suffered in the House of Commons just days ago. RIP Freedom ;_;

I geuss a lot of governments hate freedom then.
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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:38 pm

subtleknifewield wrote:
mrswdk wrote:This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

This is a place to discuss the dismal defeat freedom suffered in the House of Commons just days ago. RIP Freedom ;_;

I geuss a lot of governments hate freedom then.


All gov'ts hate freedom. The two are on opposite ends of the spectrum by definition. Gov'ts literally only exist by curtailing at least some freedoms.

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Postby subtleknifewield on Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:47 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
subtleknifewield wrote:
mrswdk wrote:This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

This is a place to discuss the dismal defeat freedom suffered in the House of Commons just days ago. RIP Freedom ;_;

I geuss a lot of governments hate freedom then.


All gov'ts hate freedom. The two are on opposite ends of the spectrum by definition. Gov'ts literally only exist by curtailing at least some freedoms.

-TG

True enough, no government likes complete, unconditional freedom. However, you can hardly blame them--too much freedom also results in anarchy where the strong will eventually still rise to the top. Chaos is its own worst enemy too.

However to declare an entire government completely hates freedom for voting down one law is like saying all whites are bad because some owned slaves in the past, or all blacks are bad because of those pesky African dictators.
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Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:53 pm

mrswdk wrote:This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

It's just fun to poke you about China and Saxi about Israel, and PS and universalchiro and GoranZ and etc about their issues. My issue is NASA. We're all alike. :D


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Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:01 pm

How would a bill permitting assisted euthanasia which required medical and legal approval be classed as freedom?
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Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:09 pm

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
subtleknifewield wrote:
mrswdk wrote:This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

This is a place to discuss the dismal defeat freedom suffered in the House of Commons just days ago. RIP Freedom ;_;

I geuss a lot of governments hate freedom then.


All gov'ts hate freedom. The two are on opposite ends of the spectrum by definition. Gov'ts literally only exist by curtailing at least some freedoms.

-TG


Completely and totally disagree. A world without government is one with no freedoms at all. Governments are the only way to guarantee at least some freedoms.

WCG wrote:How would a bill permitting assisted euthanasia which required medical and legal approval be classed as freedom?


Kind of in the same way that anyone is free to be a doctor as long as you are board-certified :-)
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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:56 pm

subtleknifewield wrote:
TA1LGUNN3R wrote:
subtleknifewield wrote:
mrswdk wrote:This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

This is a place to discuss the dismal defeat freedom suffered in the House of Commons just days ago. RIP Freedom ;_;

I geuss a lot of governments hate freedom then.


All gov'ts hate freedom. The two are on opposite ends of the spectrum by definition. Gov'ts literally only exist by curtailing at least some freedoms.

-TG

True enough, no government likes complete, unconditional freedom. However, you can hardly blame them--too much freedom also results in anarchy where the strong will eventually still rise to the top. Chaos is its own worst enemy too.

However to declare an entire government completely hates freedom for voting down one law is like saying all whites are bad because some owned slaves in the past, or all blacks are bad because of those pesky African dictators.


No, it isn't the same. Governments cannot truly support freedom. It's more like a serial killer who can't kill somebody he'd like to because of risk. Governments and the "freedoms" they give you are a power struggle. They only concede certain rights because they need to assuage their constituents before they get too unhappy and violent. It's not malicious, it's simply the nature of "governing" and it's more like one organism feeding off of another.

mets wrote:Completely and totally disagree. A world without government is one with no freedoms at all. Governments are the only way to guarantee at least some freedoms.


You mean privileges. I'm not saying an anarchy would be filled with shiny-happy utopia, but a cow enclosed in a large 1000 acre pasture is still cattle to be butchered or milked. Security and protection are not freedoms.

True freedom cannot be had if you live under the auspices of a protector, and that's what a government is. A guarantor of safety. In some cases, it's rule of might, in others it's rule of law (which is still really guaranteed by might). But real freedom is tough to achieve and difficult to live with, so the vast majority trade it away to live in safety. Ultimately, freedom is self-determination, and criminalizing any form of suicide is by definition against freedom.

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Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:17 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
mrswdk wrote:This thread is no place for your Sinophobia, Andy.

It's just fun to poke you about China and Saxi about Israel, and PS and universalchiro and GoranZ and etc about their issues. My issue is NASA. We're all alike. :D


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lol, what's wrong with NASA?
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Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 15, 2015 2:22 am

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:You mean privileges. I'm not saying an anarchy would be filled with shiny-happy utopia, but a cow enclosed in a large 1000 acre pasture is still cattle to be butchered or milked. Security and protection are not freedoms.

True freedom cannot be had if you live under the auspices of a protector, and that's what a government is. A guarantor of safety. In some cases, it's rule of might, in others it's rule of law (which is still really guaranteed by might). But real freedom is tough to achieve and difficult to live with, so the vast majority trade it away to live in safety. Ultimately, freedom is self-determination, and criminalizing any form of suicide is by definition against freedom.

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Written by a Singaporean MP in response to the people who always criticize Singapore for the way it governs itself:

Freedom is being able to walk on the streets unmolested in the wee hours in the morning, to be able to leave one's door open and not fear that one would be burgled. Freedom is the woman who can ride buses and trains alone; freedom is not having to avoid certain subway stations after night falls. Freedom is knowing our children can go to school without fear of drugs, or being mowed down by some insane person with a gun. Freedom is knowing that we are not bound by our class, our race, our religion, and we can excel for the individuals that we are - the freedom to accomplish. Freedom is living in one of the least corrupt societies in the world, knowing that our ability to get things done is not going to be limited by our ability to pay someone.
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Postby TA1LGUNN3R on Tue Sep 15, 2015 7:12 am

Yeah that's not freedom. That's security, and in exchange you must pay your taxes or serve in the armed forces, or whatever else the government mandates.

Also lol at the last line. Does Singapore not fine or jail tax-evaders?

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Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:09 am

What's that got to do with tax evasion?
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Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Tue Sep 15, 2015 8:19 am

mrswdk wrote: our ability to get things done is not going to be limited by our ability to pay someone.


Tailgunner wrote:Does Singapore not fine or jail tax-evaders?


mrswdk wrote:What's that got to do with tax evasion?


Paying Tax is also known as our ability to pay someone. Your reading comprehension is trully atrocious. Go back to school.
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Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:07 am

In the context of both that article and your reference to taxation, there is:
- paying tax (paying the government to give you a service or resource)
and
- bribery (paying money to a public servant so that they won't restrict your access to a service or resource that you are otherwise entitled to).

Obviously, there is a big difference between the two. So it is actually you who fails to understand and apply basic terminology, not me.
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Postby notyou2 on Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:21 am

mrswdk wrote:In the context of both that article and your reference to taxation, there is:
- paying tax (paying the government to give you a service or resource)
and
- bribery (paying money to a public servant so that they won't restrict your access to a service or resource that you are otherwise entitled to).

Obviously, there is a big difference between the two. So it is actually you who fails to understand and apply basic terminology, not me.


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Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:35 am

mrswdk wrote:In the context of both that article and your reference to taxation, there is:
- paying tax (paying the government to give you a service or resource)
and
- bribery (paying money to a public servant so that they won't restrict your access to a service or resource that you are otherwise entitled to).

Obviously, there is a big difference between the two. So it is actually you who fails to understand and apply basic terminology, not me.


Neither is freedom. Your obstinacy is no defence of your ignorance
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Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:41 am

Freedom from corruption, crime etc. and worrying about corruption, crime etc. Just because you have to sacrifice some level of freedom in order to gain those freedoms does not mean they are not freedoms.

As you guys desperately try to make out like anarchy is the only true freedom, you seem to have overlooked the lack of freedom that being afraid to go to certain areas of your city, being afraid to walk around at night and being afraid to get on public transport unaccompanied represents. When violence and crime prevent you from living your life as you wish to live it, your self-determination is reduced; when crime and violence are eliminated, your freedom of self-determination is increased. This freedom that can only be enjoyed by someone who lives in a well-run society.

I am going to assume your desire to nitpick and detract from this point is because you are jealous that your Anglo-Saxon countries cannot provide such freedom.
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Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:48 am

I have nothing against asian countries.

I object to you. Specifically your eternal hypocrisy.
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Postby mrswdk on Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:54 am

WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:I have nothing against asian countries.

I object to you. Specifically your eternal hypocrisy.


See above. Just because I do not share your view that only anarchy is freedom does not make me a hypocrite.
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Postby WingCmdr Ginkapo on Tue Sep 15, 2015 11:03 am

mrswdk wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:I have nothing against asian countries.

I object to you. Specifically your eternal hypocrisy.


See above. Just because I do not share your view that only anarchy is freedom does not make me a hypocrite.


viewtopic.php?f=8&t=213457

Ok, just retract your previous comments. That would be hypocrisy
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WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:
mrswdk wrote:
WingCmdr Ginkapo wrote:I have nothing against asian countries.

I object to you. Specifically your eternal hypocrisy.


See above. Just because I do not share your view that only anarchy is freedom does not make me a hypocrite.


https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewt ... 8&t=213457

Ok, just retract your previous comments. That would be hypocrisy


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