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Angry Bernie wrote:It is not supposed to be about super PACS collecting huge amounts of money from the wealthiest people in the country having more power over the candidate’s campaign that the candidate himself or herself.
mrswdk wrote:Angry Bernie wrote:It is not supposed to be about super PACS collecting huge amounts of money from the wealthiest people in the country having more power over the candidate’s campaign that the candidate himself or herself.
No one is forcing people to vote for that candidate. If people elect someone who they are well aware is a shill for oligarchical interests then we must presume they are okay with having a shill in charge.
Money does not win elections. Votes win elections. That's democracy, Bernie. Suck it up.
notyou2 wrote:mrswdk wrote:Angry Bernie wrote:It is not supposed to be about super PACS collecting huge amounts of money from the wealthiest people in the country having more power over the candidate’s campaign that the candidate himself or herself.
No one is forcing people to vote for that candidate. If people elect someone who they are well aware is a shill for oligarchical interests then we must presume they are okay with having a shill in charge.
Money does not win elections. Votes win elections. That's democracy, Bernie. Suck it up.
Seriously, you actually believe that??? You don't think money has any influence on elections?
notyou2 wrote:Bernie Sanders pledged that “no nominee of mine to the United States Supreme Court will get that job unless he or she is loud and clear that one of their first orders of business will be to overturn Citizens United.”
/ wrote:The problem with the system isn't that it's too corrupt, it's that it's not corrupt enough to benefit the common citizen. Hurry up and abolish vote-buying laws, I want some of that bribe money!
mrswdk wrote:Angry Bernie wrote:It is not supposed to be about super PACS collecting huge amounts of money from the wealthiest people in the country having more power over the candidate’s campaign that the candidate himself or herself.
No one is forcing people to vote for that candidate. If people elect someone who they are well aware is a shill for oligarchical interests then we must presume they are okay with having a shill in charge.
Money does not win elections. Votes win elections. That's democracy, Bernie. Suck it up.
notyou2 wrote:In Canada there are spending limits the parties and candidates must follow during an election.However, some have exceeded those limits and some have been charged for it. One was found guilty. He won his seat btw.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/dean-del-mastro-sentenced-to-month-in-jail-4-months-house-arrest-for-election-overspending-1.3126992
tzor wrote:/ wrote:The problem with the system isn't that it's too corrupt, it's that it's not corrupt enough to benefit the common citizen. Hurry up and abolish vote-buying laws, I want some of that bribe money!
There was a sci fi role playing game where such a law was passed and it became the equivalent of welfare. Companies would "pay" you to give them your vote. I forget which one it was, unfortunately. So many games, I've played.
Bernie Sanders wrote:Freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to buy the United States government.
Metsfanmax wrote:I have never seen someone give actual convincing evidence that Citizens United was responsible for increased campaign contributions from wealthy donors. It is usually just assumed without proof, which is unfortunate.
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