Congratulations to the people of Donetsk

[Pope Joan]

I'm a Socialist period.

LMAO! So you're a socialist who happens to agree with neocon Republican senator John "Blood 'n Guts" McCain on all matters of foreign policy?

What socialist groups do you belong to? You would be unwelcome in any socialist or social democratic organization you attempted to join anywhere in the U.S., and certainly anywhere in the world.

Isn't it the case that in US any pro-choice democrat is considered socialist?

I remember making this mistake talking to my American friend: I called democrats (Clintons) left-wing. He laughed at me. He explained that democrats were a bit like British conservatives while republicans were complete loonies, whose analogues did not exist among EU nations... Russian liberal-democrats spring to mind
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/pat-buchanan-is-americas-zhirinovsky/342418.html
http://www.agoodtreaty.com/2010/07/14/mitt-romney-the-american-zhirinovsky/
http://english.pravda.ru/world/americas/06-10-2008/106526-mccain_zhirinovsky-0/

[kuthoer]

I'm a Socialist period.

LMAO! So you're a socialist who happens to agree with neocon Republican senator John "Blood 'n Guts" McCain on all matters of foreign policy?

What socialist groups do you belong to? You would be unwelcome in any socialist or social democratic organization you attempted to join anywhere in the U.S., and certainly anywhere in the world.

Every major progressive and socialist thinker, group, and publication, in the U.S. has come out in opposition to the U.S. exploitation of Ukraine, from Noam Chomsky to Cindy Sheehan, to Andrew Vitcheck, to Bob Avakian, to Ralph Nader, to Socialist Alternative, to the Freedom Socialist Party, to the Socialist Worker's Party, to the Green Party, to Worker's World, etc. This Counterpunch article neatly encapsulates the progressive view toward the U.S. military expansionism in Europe vis a vis Ukraine.

Outside the U.S., the world's largest socialist parties have all uniformly denounced U.S. gangsterism. The leader of Germany's Die Linke last month made said on the floor of the European Parliament that "The West must recognise the legitimate security interests of Russia in the Crimea ... we must find a place for the Crimea, Ukraine and the Russian Federation with which we can live. We must guarantee Russia that Ukraine will never become a NATO member."

You sound as lucid and unhinged as JB. You are cheering the persecution of Edward Snowden, U.S. drone strikes, etc. You have absolutely zero idea what socialism is; you think it's about tax reform. You wear a Che t-shirt while simultaneously attacking Cuba's solidarity with Russia. You are a banjo-playing, Chevy-driving, Cheetos-eating, flag waving, bumpkin nationalist who suffers from schizophrenia. While I wouldn't be surprised if you knew Matt Kenseth's NASCAR number, I'd be shocked if you could find Ukraine on a map. Go away little boy, the grown-ups are trying to have a talk.

I agree with Sen. McCain, ha-ha-ha. Really Saxi, where do you get your intel from?

[kuthoer]

I do though support drone attacks on anyone or group in the Middle East that stages terrorist attacks on American civilians. Snowmen can countinue hiding in your beloved Russia.

No I don't wear Che tee shirts and soon Cuba will shed it's communist clothing and join the world community.

Don't confuse Socialism with Communism or a State that punishes it's citizens for expressing their opinions/views on their corrupt leadership (Russia and China)

[mrswdk]

Why do you live in the US?

I prefer shaved women.

Weird.

[mrswdk]

I'm a Socialist period

I'll get some paper towels.

[patches70]

Donetsk has set May 11 for it's independence referendum. The single question asked for the ballot is "Do you support the act of the proclamation of independence of the Donetsk State People's Republic?"

And so it is that the US spreads democracy. Not by design but by accident. Hahahaha.

Kerry will soon issue a statement that will simply be "The democratic vote for independence in Donetsk is not democratic."

Also, if Donetsk residents favor independence then Donetsk will not participate in the May 25 Ukraine early Presidential elections, which is only fair if they aren't part of the Ukraine.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140430/1894922 ... ivist.html

I hear the activists for independence in Donetsk's slogan is "Yes we can!"

Civil war here we come, all thanks to the US meddling in what was a contract dispute, or rather, the agreement to one contract over the not entering another. Because the legitimate government in Kiev decided against the EU contract the US foments a civil war.

There is and will be blood on someone's hands, and if one thinks that blood is on only Putin's hands then one is living delusional. The blood should not have been on our hands.

And Kuthoer, does your support for drone attacks include innocent wedding parties, children and regular civilians? Because that's who gets blown up in those drone attacks.
I guess you just support bombing brown people in general.

Drone attacks are an act of war and if you would be so kind as to point to any recent declaration of war, that would be helpful. Otherwise, I see no justification for the drone attacks except "Oh, I'm scared!"

Since when did Americans become so fearful that they would accept the murdering of innocent people just to feel "safe"?


Disgusting.

[patches70]

The soon to be announced new "Domino theory" of Europe is to be released. ""If we don't stop them there, all of Eastern Europe may fall and become less fascist than us."

This can't be allowed to happen because National Security or something another.

[mrswdk]

The drone attacks are not an act of war. They take place with the permission of the governments of Pakistan and Yemen.

[saxitoxin]

I agree with Sen. McCain, ha-ha-ha. Really Saxi, where do you get your intel from?

all of your posts in this thread (Snowden, Drone-Murder, U.S. sanctions on Russia, etc. - you're towing the Rethug line because you are one)

You never answered the question: what socialist groups do you belong to?

[saxitoxin]

As the bankrupt U.S. continues to bray like a castrated mule, the world community leaves it in its corner and continues with the business of peace-building and cleaning up America's messes. The U.S. has boxed itself into the corner of nothingness, howling at the moon as everyone else moves on.

India has signed an agreement under which it will pay Russia to supply arms and equipment to the Afghan military as foreign combat troops prepare to leave the country. Under the deal, smaller arms such as light artillery and mortars will be sourced from Russia and moved to Afghanistan. But it could eventually involve the transfer of heavy artillery, tanks and even combat helicopters that the Afghans have been asking India for since last year.

Golts said India and Russia were likely to play a significant role in Afghanistan as coalition troops withdraw. "At the end of the day, and despite all the contradictions, it's very important for Washington to keep Russia engaged in Afghanistan."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/ ... J320140430

The U.S. has meekly accepted defeat in the Caucuses. It is withdrawing into its shell for now - but continuing to talk a big talk with boisterous claims about its ability to carry a "tough line" with Russia, when it really has no such ability. These claims are blasted out through the American corporate-controlled media for the benefit of the vapid, flag-waving blondes in Ohio who want to hear Sousa's greatest hits coming out of Washington. So sad. The U.S. has become almost less relevant than Canada.

[saxitoxin]

I'm a Socialist period.

LMAO! So you're a socialist who happens to agree with neocon Republican senator John "Blood 'n Guts" McCain on all matters of foreign policy?

What socialist groups do you belong to? You would be unwelcome in any socialist or social democratic organization you attempted to join anywhere in the U.S., and certainly anywhere in the world.

Isn't it the case that in US any pro-choice democrat is considered socialist?

I remember making this mistake talking to my American friend: I called democrats (Clintons) left-wing. He laughed at me. He explained that democrats were a bit like British conservatives while republicans were complete loonies, whose analogues did not exist among EU nations... Russian liberal-democrats spring to mind

You nailed it. Only in America would you hear a woman (Clinton) who served on the Wal-Mart board of directors, and whose husband signed the WTO while protesting Americans were being gassed and beat in the streets a few feet away by U.S. police shock troops, described as "left-wing."

Americans like kut have been so brainwashed by the U.S. state-business propaganda machine they think left is right, up is down, and white is black. He calls himself a progressive opposed to Big Oil, while simultaneously rushing to support Big Oil's campaign in Ukraine the minute they play the first stanza of The Stars and Stripes Forever. Like a good little fascist robot.

Obama is running the biggest terrorist operation that exists, maybe in history: the drone assassination campaigns, which are just part of it. All of these operations, they are terror operations. People hate the country that’s terrorizing them.
- Noam Chomsky

During his recent trip to Asia, the President warned North Korea, China and Russia, all in one 48 hour period to follow US dictates or else - not bad for a day’s work, if you want to be to known as the world’s greatest purveyor-of-war and violence.
- Renee Parsons

[Qwert]

"""During his recent trip to Asia, the President warned North Korea, China and Russia, all in one 48 hour period to follow US dictates or else"""

or else what??

anyway US bring new sanctions to Russia

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/20 ... 07393.html

its only a question of time, when Russia will be in trouble.

[DoomYoshi]

Why do you live in the US?

I prefer shaved women.

Weird.

He's really talking about burros. I like them shaved too.

[GoranZ]

I'm a Socialist period.

Have you lived in socialist state?

Ok obviously there are a lot of supporters for US/EU politics, so here is a question for you guys.

Have you asked your self even once why Putin or Russia is not afraid of the West?
Hint: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... radar.html

It won't be long when China will implode. Russia will slowly burn it's self out, once their people realize that Nationalism only benefits the elite.

You are kidding rite?
Have you even considers the option US to not be the strongest country 15-20 years from now? If that happen, US will be regional power in the Americas but it will lose it influence in the other parts of the world... EU will suffer the most, and maybe it will fall apart. Shit situation for me since I live in Europe but I dont think that I can change a lot.

On the other hand, currently China is driving the whole world out of recession, largely her growth is fueling worlds economy. If that engine slow down it will reflect on the whole world including you Which explains how poor is your knowledge of economy and how far from reality are your statements.

[BigBallinStalin]

This thread....

I also wonder which socialist groups kuthoer belongs to. How does he even define "socialism"? There's been a lot of inconsistencies in his position. What saxi has been espousing is what international socialism is about---and Socialism is international. There should be no nationalism about it (e.g. this is not what socialism is about: supporting the use of drones for bombing poor people and an unknown percentage of militants who lack the capability to inflict harm on the US). Socialism is about solidarity across borders against 'the man'. It's about getting paid your 'fair share' for the labor you contribute (never mind about asking for the omitted inputs into the product of labor). It's about rejecting your state's plans on killing people to secure its own livelihood--at the expense of its own citizens' safety.

I also wonder if saxi considered how ineffective pamphlets to Soviet soldiers are. I wonder how he compares US-led wars and occupations to Soviet wars and occupations. Does he distinguish between the different constraints and outcomes? Or is he merely posturing?

[saxitoxin]

How does he even define "socialism"?

He's not a socialist. He has Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger* on his Spotify playlist and really wants a goodie bag from the government, and think that makes him a socialist. The American right has got the birthers thinking anyone who is slightly less than a fascist is a socialist, and the unintended side effect is that anyone who is almost a fascist now thinks of themselves as a socialist. It's a circle jerk of the gullible and the guileful. (A circle jerk connoisseur like you would probably not RSVP to this one, BBS.**)

* edit- no offense to Guthrie or Seeger - two actual socialists who each performed at Red Song Festival in East Berlin at the invitation of the DDR ministry of culture


** edit2 - who am I kidding, you'd still go

I also wonder if saxi considered how ineffective pamphlets to Soviet soldiers are. I wonder how he compares US-led wars and occupations to Soviet wars and occupations. Does he distinguish between the different constraints and outcomes? Or is he merely posturing?

The Soviet Union was not a state in the Westphalian idea of state. Maybe Joan or BvP can clarify this, but I vaguely recall there was an anecdote after Chicherin was appointed the first foreign minister, he said he might print a few revolutionary pamphlets and then shut down the entire foreign ministry, because the USSR was the Worker's World; liberated territory from which all people of all races would launch the final push for global revolution. It was not interested in state-to-state relations because the very concept of state is one borne out of capitalist ideology.

So, we can only understand the Soviet Union - not as a nation-state - but as one side of a two-sided coin, the people vs. the plutocracy. The great leftist German poet Ernst Busch wrote "any assault against the Soviet Union is an assault against the heart of the working class!" There is a permanent class war and the Soviet Union warred against the upper class, while the U.S. warred against the working class.

[mrswdk]

Well sax and kuthoer both live and work in the US, so each is doing just as much to grease the wheels of US capitalism as the other.

[Baron Von PWN]

How does he even define "socialism"?

He's not a socialist. He has Woody Guthrie and Pete Seeger* on his Spotify playlist and really wants a goodie bag from the government, and think that makes him a socialist. The American right has got the birthers thinking anyone who is slightly less than a fascist is a socialist, and the unintended side effect is that anyone who is almost a fascist now thinks of themselves as a socialist. It's a circle jerk of the gullible and the guileful. (A circle jerk connoisseur like you would probably not RSVP to this one, BBS.**)

* edit- no offense to Guthrie or Seeger - two actual socialists who each performed at Red Song Festival in East Berlin at the invitation of the DDR ministry of culture


** edit2 - who am I kidding, you'd still go

I also wonder if saxi considered how ineffective pamphlets to Soviet soldiers are. I wonder how he compares US-led wars and occupations to Soviet wars and occupations. Does he distinguish between the different constraints and outcomes? Or is he merely posturing?

The Soviet Union was not a state in the Westphalian idea of state. Maybe Joan or BvP can clarify this, but I vaguely recall there was an anecdote after Chicherin was appointed the first foreign minister, he said he might print a few revolutionary pamphlets and then shut down the entire foreign ministry, because the USSR was the Worker's World; liberated territory from which all people of all races would launch the final push for global revolution. It was not interested in state-to-state relations because the very concept of state is one borne out of capitalist ideology.

So, we can only understand the Soviet Union - not as a nation-state - but as one side of a two-sided coin, the people vs. the plutocracy. The great leftist German poet Ernst Busch wrote "any assault against the Soviet Union is an assault against the heart of the working class!" There is a permanent class war and the Soviet Union warred against the upper class, while the U.S. warred against the working class.

The first Bolsheviks were a little crazy and thought world revolution was immenent. When that failed to happen they started to act in a more state like manner. Stalin really finalized the transition from crazy revolutionaries to an organized state run by the more practical crazy revolutionaries. After Stalin the state gradually and more rapidly lost its revolutionary zeal/crazyness.

[kuthoer]

Well sax and kuthoer both live and work in the US, so each is doing just as much to grease the wheels of US capitalism as the other.

I believe in Capitalism, BUT not pure Capitalism.

Capitalism needs to be regulated, as greed corrupts. The same is true with Communism. The elite in Communism become greedy and drunk with power.

Socialism is a mix of Capitalism with laws and regulations by the people to keep the few from turning their society into a oligarchy where the few get rich, while the rest of it's citizens are considered expendable.

[Qwert]

Well sax and kuthoer both live and work in the US, so each is doing just as much to grease the wheels of US capitalism as the other.

I believe in Capitalism, BUT not pure Capitalism.

Capitalism needs to be regulated, as greed corrupts. The same is true with Communism. The elite in Communism become greedy and drunk with power.

Socialism is a mix of Capitalism with laws and regulations by the people to keep the few from turning their society into a oligarchy where the few get rich, while the rest of it's citizens are considered expendable.

i dont understand why you even talk about Socialism? do you lived in Communist country?

I lived in Socialist Country, and many citizens say that they live better ,then now in Democratic country.
Now we have increase criminal, unemployment and many become poor, and also corruption are high.

[kuthoer]

Well sax and kuthoer both live and work in the US, so each is doing just as much to grease the wheels of US capitalism as the other.

I believe in Capitalism, BUT not pure Capitalism.

Capitalism needs to be regulated, as greed corrupts. The same is true with Communism. The elite in Communism become greedy and drunk with power.

Socialism is a mix of Capitalism with laws and regulations by the people to keep the few from turning their society into a oligarchy where the few get rich, while the rest of it's citizens are considered expendable.

i dont understand why you even talk about Socialism? do you lived in Communist country?

I lived in Socialist Country, and many citizens say that they live better ,then now in Democratic country.
Now we have increase criminal, unemployment and many become poor, and also corruption are high.

Why equate Socialism with Communism?

[GoranZ]

Why equate Socialism with Communism?

Have you ever lived in any of them?

Socialism is a mix of Capitalism with laws and regulations by the people to keep the few from turning their society into a oligarchy where the few get rich, while the rest of it's citizens are considered expendable.

Before you go even farther with your theories what socialism is and what it isn't I will help you with something. Socialism and Capitalism never go together, not they can go together. Capitalism is generally very bad system for general population, even Democracy is struggling to keep the achieved rights.

society of oligarchy where they get rich, while the rest of it's citizens are considered expendable

I edited your sentence a little bit so it will have some sense alone but what you said in that part is pure Capitalism.

[kuthoer]

Why equate Socialism with Communism?

Have you ever lived in any of them?

Socialism is a mix of Capitalism with laws and regulations by the people to keep the few from turning their society into a oligarchy where the few get rich, while the rest of it's citizens are considered expendable.

Before you go even farther with your theories what socialism is and what it isn't I will help you with something. Socialism and Capitalism never go together, not they can go together. Capitalism is generally very bad system for general population, even Democracy is struggling to keep the achieved rights.

society of oligarchy where they get rich, while the rest of it's citizens are considered expendable

I edited your sentence a little bit so it will have some sense alone but what you said in that part is pure Capitalism.

I guess economics is not your strength, let alone politics.

[BigBallinStalin]

Define "socialism". I've always seen Communism as one political form of applied socialism. There's plenty of other applied forms of socialism--e.g. communes operating within the US. There's also socialism at the family level. It's not like (most) parents charge their kids per bowl of cereal. Even within a firm, there is socialism (i.e. central planning and the decision-making without an internal free market pricing system).

Your previous definition of socialism (about mixing "capitalism" with regulation) is incorrect. That's not socialism--in the commonly understood and properly defined sense (the historic sense, the sense expressed in dictionaries, etc.). People call that "mixed economies." Really, it's just central planning exerted to various degrees on otherwise free markets and civil organizations (i.e. non-market groups--e.g. clubs, like religious groups).