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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon May 19, 2014 3:17 pm

danfrank666 wrote:The issue i have with global warming / climate change is that progressives want to assign blame. Whether it comes from underwater currents eroding the ice shelves , polar caps etc. . or from johnny driving his car , or the cow dung in the fields creating green house gases (more on that in a minute) . It is inevitable that seas are going to rise destroying economies and a persons way of life is not a solution and should not be tolerated. Instead of using this crisis as a way to further our existence , the left , has used it to divide.
Propaganda , censorship , what am i missing? Did anyone catch through the penis hole with morgan freeman the other night. It had to do with finding another home after the earth became uninhabitable . So scientists wanted YOU to believe that we could send these machines to mars that would turn the dirt in to co2 and that would warm the planet in roughly 100 years and it could then be habitable and support life which would then create plants YADAYADAYADA. So they want you to believe that co2 is so damming to US but yet if we produced it on dead mars it somehow would breed life. :lol:


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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby universalchiro on Mon May 19, 2014 3:45 pm

Humans tend to over state their importance. You know, one good volcanic eruption produces more particulates in the air than the entire history of mankind's industrial output. Volcano CO2 emission dwarfs human production.

The earth has been gradually warming (not linear) since the glacial age. A combination of sun's heat and tectonic plate friction and mantle heat, humans live on a thin shell separating life from magma. What little CO2 we produce or what little changes we make, with fear based carbon footprint taxation along the way, will not change the inevitable. Which is judgement by fire, more heat.

Let me set the future forecast for you: greater extremes of climate, with overall increased heat, melted polar caps, more earthquakes, more tornadoes, more hurricanes, more droughts, etc. (This won't be linear increase), The Bible prophesied this.
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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 19, 2014 3:49 pm

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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 19, 2014 4:20 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
1) The polar ice caps are not growing -- that is just wrong, and 2) we've been over this*. That BBC article stated that one climate scientist projected (not predicted) that a serious feedback loop could cause a large ice melt by 2016, with an error of plus or minus 3 years, given certain assumptions about how the climate works. (So he could still be right in the way the BBC framed it, if everything melts by 2019.) Most climate scientists didn't agree with this, but that's ok. Not everyone knows exactly how the Earth will respond to continued warming, and if they did, we wouldn't need scientists to continue working on it. But if you look at major reviews of the literature, like the iPCC reports, instead of individual projections, you'll see that the climate science community has been vindicated on basically every major prediction they've made for future climate. When you pool together that much scientific talent, is when you really get a clear picture of what's going on.


Acutally, it was more than one person. A good portion of the entire Democrat party has been saying the same thing, led by this guy, and I think this guys documentary got all kinds of awards and is shown/taught to children all over America.



I'm sure Democrats jumped all over this one because it's the most crisis worthy and it gets people extra scared and makes them more likely to want bigger government and more centralized power and control.
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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby notyou2 on Mon May 19, 2014 5:01 pm

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Source please.

Nevermind. I found the source. It is the Dailymail of the UK. A very well respected rag.

Here is a synopsis of their respectability

The Daily Mail (aka, Daily Fail, Daily Heil, Daily Moan and so on), is a reactionary tabloid rag masquerading as a "traditional values," middle-class newspaper that is, in many ways, the worst of the British gutter press (only Rupert Murdoch's Sun is worse). Its weighty Sunday counterpart is the Mail on Sunday.

The Daily Mail is to the U.K. what the New York Post is to the United States, and what the Drudge Report is to the Internet: to wit, gossipy tabloid "journalism" for those who cannot digest serious news, with a flippantly wingnut editorial stance. The Daily Mail is notable among British tabloids for rejecting the standard red-top banner order to try to appear more upmarket and respectable, although it does sometimes go in for the full front-page picture or headline characteristic of the working class rags. It is also notorious for its frequent harassment of individuals, campaigns of hate directed at various minorities, and willfully deceiving and lying to its readers.
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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 19, 2014 5:55 pm

A Greenpeace co-founder testified in Congress on Tuesday about global warming. What he said is hardly what anyone would expect.
Patrick Moore came off as a raving denier.
"There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth's atmosphere over the past 100 years," said Moore, who was testifying before the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee's Subcommittee on Oversight.
"If there were such a proof, it would be written down for all to see. No actual proof, as it is understood in science, exists."
Moore is somewhat famous for leaving Greenpeace, a large environmentalist organization that grew from a small activist group he belonged to in 1971 while earning his doctorate in ecology. He quit in 1986 because it had become too political and strayed away from the science he believed was its institutional strength.
Moore didn't hold back in his Senate appearance. He quickly zeroed in on the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and strongly scolded it for claiming there is a "95-100% probability" that man "has been the dominant cause of" global warming. Those numbers, he said, have been invented.
He also characterized the IPCC's reliance on computer models as futile; told senators that history "fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming"; and noted that "during the Greenhouse Ages," a period that precedes our fossil-fuel burning civilization, "there was no ice on either pole and all the land was tropical and subtropical from pole to pole."
Moore further crossed the line of accepted climate change discourse when he insisted "that a warmer temperature than today's would be far better than a cooler one" and reminded lawmakers "that we are not capable, with our limited knowledge, of predicting which way" temperatures "will go next."
Current Greenpeace members might think of Moore as a traitor. We'd say he's more of a bold truth-teller.



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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Mon May 19, 2014 7:26 pm

Participants of the thread!!! Please comment on the poll results! Surprised? as expected? I for one am shocked! Shocked I tell ya!
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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Dukasaur on Mon May 19, 2014 10:55 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
Dukasaur wrote:Maybe "climate change" will help people sleep at night while the world cooks off, just as "operational exhaustion" lets them ignore the shell-shocked guy panhandling on the corner who will never be the same again.


Thanks. So are you of the opinion that a new class of taxes need to be implemented, and moreso that that money will actually make an impact on climate change?

I would say "No", although with addenda.

First, I don't trust governments to solve problems. Although there are some exceptions, in general governments tend to exacerbate problems rather than solve them.

Second, I'm mistrustful of anyone who says, "the first step in solving the problem is to give me more money." That sound like a scam to me, regardless of whether it's a government or a private scammer.

Third, I think the obvious tax routes are going to harm the people who can least afford it while having little overall impact. Let's say you hike gasoline taxes in the name of reducing emissions. The guy at the bottom of the economic pyramid, the machinist chugging along to work in his '74 LeMans because he can't afford anything newer, that guy may be forced off the road and on to the unemployment line. The fat cat yuppie racing along the 407 in his Escalade, he won't change his ways. He'll bitch and whine every day about how much the gas is costing him, but even if the price of gas doubles it still won't change his ways, because bottom line is he can afford it, and while high prices may annoy him, they can't really hurt him.

You can say the same thing about any other fossil fuel. Jack up the price of home heat through consumption taxes, and you may cause devastating damage to the people at the bottom who can barely pay their heating bills, but the wealthy majority are not going to give up their comfort just because it costs a little more this year. So you'll devastate some people while having really trivial reductions in emissions overall.

Now, I do believe it's hypothetically possible to craft an intelligent fossil-fuel tax that would help reduce carbon emissions. For instance, while it's difficult to modify the habits of individual commuters, who think about comfort first and expense second, it might be a lot easier to modify the habits of shipper/receivers, who think about expense first. A per-tonne-mile tax on bulk goods shipment, which would be rebated according to the mode of transportation, could do a lot. So, if you taxed all bulk good shipments at ten cents per tonne-mile, but refunded 8 cents for every tonne mile that went by ship and 4 cents for every tonne-mile that went by train, you could do a lot to push cargo off the highways and back onto more fuel-efficient modes of transport.

But while I can see such a tax working hypothetically, I still don't trust the government to enact it without using it as a tool of corruption. I can foresee it being twisted in such a way that companies in "safe" districts pay more, while there are inexplicable deductions for the company in a town that's in danger of changing sides next election.

So, that's my addendum. I think some useful moves are hypothetically possible, but I don't trust the parasites in power to enact them without twisting them out of recognition.

Furthermore, even if we were to solve all these problems for one country, it still wouldn't mean shit without solving them for all the other countries. So, bottom line is, we're probably fucked. One of those scenarios game theory teaches us about, where nobody will do the right thing until the other guy does, and therefore nobody will do the right thing ever.

btw I do know some people who think we have it all figured out. To the point that newspapers and magazines and television media currently have made it their official policy to ban or printing or say or letting anyone challenge their ideas or policies in response to global warming.

Skepticism is healthy. Unfortunately, some of the people calling themselves skeptics are telling flat-out lies. I wouldn't let them work for my newspaper, either.

Just curious, what % would you say humans have to take responsibility for the climate changing? All things considered.

That question is too vague to be meaningful. But even if you narrowed it down, I'd tell you it's too soon to be sure...:)
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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Dukasaur on Tue May 20, 2014 9:51 am

It's okay, Scotty. I know you find it hard to express gratitude. You can say, "thank you for enlightening me!" at some later date.
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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 21, 2014 1:50 am

Dukasaur wrote:It's okay, Scotty. I know you find it hard to express gratitude. You can say, "thank you for enlightening me!" at some later date.
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Re: Global Warming Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Wed May 21, 2014 12:23 pm

Pat Sajak@patsajak

I now believe global warming alarmists are unpatriotic racists knowingly misleading for their own ends. Good night.


Will Pat Sajak be fired?

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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby danfrank666 on Wed May 21, 2014 6:48 pm

Realize you gave the libs 4 options :lol:
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 22, 2014 6:25 pm

Seriously, is there any difference between buying carbon credits to somehow make it okay to pump as much carbon dioxide into the environment as a corporation can afford, and paying the Catholic church money to somehow forgive all your sins?

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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 22, 2014 6:26 pm

danfrank666 wrote:Realize you gave the libs 4 options :lol:



Be that as it may, my polls are always 100% fair and usually include opposite definites, opposite not sures, and somewhere in the middle.
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby notyou2 on Thu May 22, 2014 8:22 pm

danfrank666 wrote:Realize you gave the libs 4 options :lol:


and the morons 1 option
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Metsfanmax on Thu May 22, 2014 10:10 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Seriously, is there any difference between buying carbon credits to somehow make it okay to pump as much carbon dioxide into the environment as a corporation can afford, and paying the Catholic church money to somehow forgive all your sins?


Yes, of course. High quality carbon offsets go into projects like planting trees, which act as a carbon sink, and therefore do actually result in negating some of the warming potential from the carbon dioxide you are responsible for.
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Thu May 22, 2014 10:51 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Seriously, is there any difference between buying carbon credits to somehow make it okay to pump as much carbon dioxide into the environment as a corporation can afford, and paying the Catholic church money to somehow forgive all your sins?


Yes, of course. High quality carbon offsets go into projects like planting trees, which act as a carbon sink, and therefore do actually result in negating some of the warming potential from the carbon dioxide you are responsible for.


I did that in kindergarten. And I planted some at the house I grew up in, and at my grandpas. So I don't have to carry any guilt about my footprint.

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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby BigBallinStalin on Fri May 23, 2014 12:28 am

Phatscotty wrote:Seriously, is there any difference between buying carbon credits to somehow make it okay to pump as much carbon dioxide into the environment as a corporation can afford, and paying the Catholic church money to somehow forgive all your sins?



Yeah, there's a difference. Trading carbon rights puts a limit on total emissions, but it encourages more efficiency cuz a company makes money by polluting less (since it can sell the carbon credits). Companies that wish to pollute more have to pay more in order to do so, so they incur a cost of polluting that is entirely dependent on how much they pollute and the market price. It's better than arbitrarily dumb across-the-board cuts, and obviously it's different from paying an organization for a self-esteem package.
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Metsfanmax on Fri May 23, 2014 5:33 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Seriously, is there any difference between buying carbon credits to somehow make it okay to pump as much carbon dioxide into the environment as a corporation can afford, and paying the Catholic church money to somehow forgive all your sins?



Yeah, there's a difference. Trading carbon rights puts a limit on total emissions, but it encourages more efficiency cuz a company makes money by polluting less (since it can sell the carbon credits). Companies that wish to pollute more have to pay more in order to do so, so they incur a cost of polluting that is entirely dependent on how much they pollute and the market price. It's better than arbitrarily dumb across-the-board cuts, and obviously it's different from paying an organization for a self-esteem package.


I considered making this argument too, but at least in principle one could argue that the price one pays to the Church for indulgences acts as an incentive not to engage in the supposedly immoral behavior.
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby warmonger1981 on Fri May 23, 2014 8:11 am

Has there been a debate on the effects of Geo engineering to the environment or global warming? Alluminum or Barium in the atmosphere? Has this ever been brought to light?
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 24, 2014 4:32 pm

how much of the annual carbon output is from man and how much is normal. I saw a study that suggest mankind was accountable for roughly 3%, and the other 97% is natural from decaying plants and volcanoes etc
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby kuthoer on Sat May 24, 2014 5:19 pm

Phatscotty wrote:how much of the annual carbon output is from man and how much is normal. I saw a study that suggest mankind was accountable for roughly 3%, and the other 97% is natural from decaying plants and volcanoes etc


I saw a study? Puhleeeeze!
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 24, 2014 8:46 pm

kuthoer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:how much of the annual carbon output is from man and how much is normal. I saw a study that suggest mankind was accountable for roughly 3%, and the other 97% is natural from decaying plants and volcanoes etc


I saw a study? Puhleeeeze!


I challenge you to make a post that has the tiniest bit of value or relevance. Let's try this.

Kuthoer, what % of the earth's annual carbon output would you say humans are responsible for? And you don't get to google your answer. You don't have to remember the source of what you think it is or anything dumb like that, just spit out an answer strictly drawing from your knowledge base, like I did. Kuthoer, what % of the earth's annual carbon output would you say humans are responsible for?
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby kuthoer on Sat May 24, 2014 9:52 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
kuthoer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:how much of the annual carbon output is from man and how much is normal. I saw a study that suggest mankind was accountable for roughly 3%, and the other 97% is natural from decaying plants and volcanoes etc


I saw a study? Puhleeeeze!


I challenge you to make a post that has the tiniest bit of value or relevance. Let's try this.

Kuthoer, what % of the earth's annual carbon output would you say humans are responsible for? And you don't get to google your answer. You don't have to remember the source of what you think it is or anything dumb like that, just spit out an answer strictly drawing from your knowledge base, like I did. Kuthoer, what % of the earth's annual carbon output would you say humans are responsible for?

Spitting out things straight from that partisan brain of yours, is what makes your posts so silly.
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Re: Global Warming - Poll

Postby Phatscotty on Sat May 24, 2014 10:14 pm

kuthoer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:
kuthoer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:how much of the annual carbon output is from man and how much is normal. I saw a study that suggest mankind was accountable for roughly 3%, and the other 97% is natural from decaying plants and volcanoes etc


I saw a study? Puhleeeeze!


I challenge you to make a post that has the tiniest bit of value or relevance. Let's try this.

Kuthoer, what % of the earth's annual carbon output would you say humans are responsible for? And you don't get to google your answer. You don't have to remember the source of what you think it is or anything dumb like that, just spit out an answer strictly drawing from your knowledge base, like I did. Kuthoer, what % of the earth's annual carbon output would you say humans are responsible for?

Spitting out things straight from that partisan brain of yours, is what makes your posts so silly.


I gave you a fair chance.

You chose Troll
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