Should This Pig Be Charged With Assault?

[Phatscotty]

We can all judge a person actions from a 4 sec giff

here's johnny rockets judging this woman's actions from a 4-second gif:

Personal accountability. This arestee made several bad choices that day, and insisted on making more. A kick to the head for assaulting an arresting officer? I don't think it's going to change her life. In fact, it might prompt some serious self evaluation of her actions leading up to the event. Same with the cop. Over the line? Obviously debatable. Perhaps upon reflection he'll change his conduct. But to crucify him for tuning some drunk who throws a kick at him? After she needs to be restrained for her hostility and belligerence??

in fact, who needs a gif? just the fact that she was arrested is enough for johnny rockets to deduce that she deserved whatever she got, and is a terrible person.

the gif is all we got, and all we can comment on.

Still, if you hit a police officer, the welt it leaves will be the least of your concerns. It's the law and the fact that it's a felony means it's a serious law. I said before, of course the cop could and should have used better judgement. That doesn't change the law or what a police officer's options are when attacked.

Once you hit a cop, the law changes for you, as well as your rights, as well as your ability to vote or carry a firearm.

[Lootifer]

Still, criminal or not, if you hit a police officer, you will be hit back and possibly shot on site, charged with a felony, and be sent to prison.

Ok lets assume this is correct (im not gunna start THAT argument).

Fair enough, off she goes, sent to prison for assulting a police officer.

However it is blindingly obvious the cop over-reacted; it is not right to kick someone in the head with significant force in retaliation to a blocked useless (and likely drunken) swipe/kick to the shins.

All policemen and woman should take the moral high ground whenever possible. No good can come from a police force where the culture is more focused on enforcment then on protection.

He should be punished as well (obviously not as severly as her, but her should be demoted/reprimanded for using excessive force).

[Phatscotty]

that doesn't change the law.....

if you left this part in my quote, you wouldnt have needed to type most of that

"I said before, of course the cop could and should have used better judgement."

He probably will be punished (only cuz it's on camera)

[Lootifer]

that doesn't change the law.....

if you left this part in my quote, you wouldnt have needed to type most of that

"I said before, of course the cop could and should have used better judgement."

He probably will be punished (only cuz it's on camera)

Yer didnt see your other post. Apologies.

I think we're agreeing on something again (and its not music or something blindingly obvious), I have a bad feeling.

[Johnny Rockets]

We can all judge a person actions from a 4 sec giff

here's johnny rockets judging this woman's actions from a 4-second gif:

Personal accountability. This arestee made several bad choices that day, and insisted on making more. A kick to the head for assaulting an arresting officer? I don't think it's going to change her life. In fact, it might prompt some serious self evaluation of her actions leading up to the event. Same with the cop. Over the line? Obviously debatable. Perhaps upon reflection he'll change his conduct. But to crucify him for tuning some drunk who throws a kick at him? After she needs to be restrained for her hostility and belligerence??

in fact, who needs a gif? just the fact that she was arrested is enough for johnny rockets to deduce that she deserved whatever she got, and is a terrible person.

Somewhere along the line you have to put a little faith in the authority that put her ass on the curb and handcuffed her. Do you fear authority so much that you automatically consider it corrupt and with ulterior self serving motives? Why is that? Do you live in fear a lot? I'm thinking yes.

It takes 1/2 an hour and a pint of scotch to make a violent, belligerent asshole, and anyone can sign up.
It takes considerable more time, training, and resources to become a police officer. So lets put our money on the trained professionals instead of Mrs. Ira Sponsible, mmmmm..Kay?

IF you are stupid enough to assault anyone with that kind of authority when you are at your most vulnerable, you deserve your free lesson in physics. If you were raised properly, you'll get it the first time.

Also: Part of maintaining authority, crowd control,and keeping a violent unpredictable situation from escalating is to counter any challenge or attack with a definitive show of force to ensure that you don't show the crowd around you that it's acceptable to wrestle that control from you.
One kick in the head discourages any other drunken retards or friends of retards from jumping in and thus escalation the situation even further, risking more bodily damage or even loss of life.
You could understand this logic if you would step out of that idealistic dream world you breast feed in.

JRock

[john9blue]

Also: Part of maintaining authority, crowd control,and keeping a violent unpredictable situation from escalating is to counter any challenge or attack with a definitive show of force to ensure that you don't show the crowd around you that it's acceptable to wrestle that control from you.
One kick in the head discourages any other drunken retards or friends of retards from jumping in and thus escalation the situation even further, risking more bodily damage or even loss of life.
You could understand this logic if you would step out of that idealistic dream world you breast feed in.

JRock[/b]

...are you fucking serious?

suppose your friend is having an argument with a stranger. your friend shoves the stranger lightly, or flips him the bird, or something. the stranger kicks your friend in the chest and he falls to the ground. you're going to stand by and watch? or run away? what kind of terrible friend does that?

why does one person's light kick "escalate the situation" but another person's heavy kick does not?

Somewhere along the line you have to put a little faith in the authority that put her ass on the curb and handcuffed her. Do you fear authority so much that you automatically consider it corrupt and with ulterior self serving motives? Why is that? Do you live in fear a lot? I'm thinking yes.

It takes 1/2 an hour and a pint of scotch to make a violent, belligerent asshole, and anyone can sign up.
It takes considerable more time, training, and resources to become a police officer. So lets put our money on the trained professionals instead of Mrs. Ira Sponsible, mmmmm..Kay?

straight to the personal attacks. you are just another "tough guy" online who would get the shit beaten out of them in real life.

i'm not going to "put my money" on either of them. they both screwed up.

btw, do you consider yourself a "progressive"?

[thegreekdog]

We can all judge a person actions from a 4 sec giff

here's johnny rockets judging this woman's actions from a 4-second gif:

Personal accountability. This arestee made several bad choices that day, and insisted on making more. A kick to the head for assaulting an arresting officer? I don't think it's going to change her life. In fact, it might prompt some serious self evaluation of her actions leading up to the event. Same with the cop. Over the line? Obviously debatable. Perhaps upon reflection he'll change his conduct. But to crucify him for tuning some drunk who throws a kick at him? After she needs to be restrained for her hostility and belligerence??

in fact, who needs a gif? just the fact that she was arrested is enough for johnny rockets to deduce that she deserved whatever she got, and is a terrible person.

Somewhere along the line you have to put a little faith in the authority that put her ass on the curb and handcuffed her. Do you fear authority so much that you automatically consider it corrupt and with ulterior self serving motives? Why is that? Do you live in fear a lot? I'm thinking yes.

It takes 1/2 an hour and a pint of scotch to make a violent, belligerent asshole, and anyone can sign up.
It takes considerable more time, training, and resources to become a police officer. So lets put our money on the trained professionals instead of Mrs. Ira Sponsible, mmmmm..Kay?

IF you are stupid enough to assault anyone with that kind of authority when you are at your most vulnerable, you deserve your free lesson in physics. If you were raised properly, you'll get it the first time.

Also: Part of maintaining authority, crowd control,and keeping a violent unpredictable situation from escalating is to counter any challenge or attack with a definitive show of force to ensure that you don't show the crowd around you that it's acceptable to wrestle that control from you.
One kick in the head discourages any other drunken retards or friends of retards from jumping in and thus escalation the situation even further, risking more bodily damage or even loss of life.
You could understand this logic if you would step out of that idealistic dream world you breast feed in.

JRock

I said this earlier in the thread, but I'm going to say it again - an indictment with respect to this particular police officer is not an indictment on all police officers. I find it fascinating and disgusting that so many people, especially people with supposedly pro-constitution views (I'm looking at you PS) and so many Americans would have no problem with the response given by a police officer with a record of violence to a handcuffed woman who kicked him in the leg. Seriously. It's disgusting.

[Johnny Rockets]

...are you fucking serious?

suppose your friend is having an argument with a stranger. your friend shoves the stranger lightly, or flips him the bird, or something. the stranger kicks your friend in the chest and he falls to the ground. you're going to stand by and watch? or run away? what kind of terrible friend does that?

why does one person's light kick "escalate the situation" but another person's heavy kick does not?

Yeah I'm fucking serious.
What a silly comparison you have offered here. Let me help you out here.
If my friend gets into an argument with a police officer assaults him and gets a kick in the head for it, then yes I'll stand by. Especially if he is drunk and arrested.
Do you see how this scenario compares more accurately to the one we are discussing here? Good.

If my friend gets into an argument and is assaulted by a stranger, than I'll restrain him in a N.V.C.I hold and call for the police. However I don't associate with assholes who let street situations escalate into violence so the chances are slim. If my friend was blatantly attacked without provocation, of course I'd assist. Does that cover all of your tangent hypothetical scenarios?

straight to the personal attacks. you are just another "tough guy" online who would get the shit beaten out of them in real life.

i'm not going to "put my money" on either of them. they both screwed up.

btw, do you consider yourself a "progressive"?

Your constant disregard of authority and defense of those who show poor judgement and lack of personal accountability & responsibility is offensive. I consider myself a realist. I don't label and thus pigeon hole myself with terms like progressive or conservative as it influences how you see things as they truly are.

Yes, they both may have screwed up, but one of them had the responsibility of keeping the non intoxicated public safe and orderly, so I'll no lump them into the same category. Jesus, you act as if without a police force we'd all just do each other good turns and there would be peace in the valley. How we all suffer under the boot of the unnecessary blue clad tyrants. Idiots who act like this woman need to be kept in line, and the sheeple need to know that there are personal repercussions for hitting a cop, so that YOU don't even think about doing so.


Internet tough guy........are you feeling threatened? Bullied? Under duress of any kind?
If you act like an ass I'll treat you like one, regardless of where we are.


JRock

[Chariot of Fire]

john9blue wrote:

suppose your friend is having an argument with a stranger. your friend shoves the stranger lightly, or flips him the bird, or something. the stranger kicks your friend in the chest and he falls to the ground. you're going to stand by and watch? or run away? what kind of terrible friend does that?

But to make it a more accurate analogy it should really say:

suppose your arrested friend is having an argument with a stranger police officer. your friend shoves the stranger arresting officer lightly, or flips him the bird, or something. the stranger police officer kicks your friend in the chest and he falls to the ground. you're going to stand by and watch? or run away? what kind of terrible friend does that?

Call me old-fashioned, but my parents taught me right from wrong and also to respect authority.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sorry but I had to go there:






RESPECT MY AUTHORITY!

[Woodruff]

why does one person's light kick "escalate the situation" but another person's heavy kick does not?

Almost entirely because the person receiving the heavy kick was handcuffed behind their back.

[john9blue]

Yeah I'm fucking serious.
What a silly comparison you have offered here. Let me help you out here.
If my friend gets into an argument with a police officer assaults him and gets a kick in the head for it, then yes I'll stand by. Especially if he is drunk and arrested.
Do you see how this scenario compares more accurately to the one we are discussing here? Good.

interesting that you used the word "assault" in order to make it seem like a serious attack and give less credibility to the perfectly valid accusation of improper use of force by the cop.

in a country where one can be handcuffed for literally doing nothing, your assumption that the woman/your friend initiated the conflict is depressing and ignorant.

Your constant disregard of authority and defense of those who show poor judgement and lack of personal accountability & responsibility is offensive. I consider myself a realist. I don't label and thus pigeon hole myself with terms like progressive or conservative as it influences how you see things as they truly are.

Yes, they both may have screwed up, but one of them had the responsibility of keeping the non intoxicated public safe and orderly, so I'll no lump them into the same category. Jesus, you act as if without a police force we'd all just do each other good turns and there would be peace in the valley. How we all suffer under the boot of the unnecessary blue clad tyrants. Idiots who act like this woman need to be kept in line, and the sheeple need to know that there are personal repercussions for hitting a cop, so that YOU don't even think about doing so.

i'm not defending the woman at all, except from being a victim of unnecessary violence.

you made up a lot of shit in this paragraph that i can't really respond to except to say "lol, no"

why does one person's light kick "escalate the situation" but another person's heavy kick does not?

Almost entirely because the person receiving the heavy kick was handcuffed behind their back.

that makes no difference to the bystanders that he was referring to. we were talking about what their actions would be.

[PLAYER57832]

I said this earlier in the thread, but I'm going to say it again - an indictment with respect to this particular police officer is not an indictment on all police officers. I find it fascinating and disgusting that so many people, especially people with supposedly pro-constitution views (I'm looking at you PS) and so many Americans would have no problem with the response given by a police officer with a record of violence to a handcuffed woman who kicked him in the leg. Seriously. It's disgusting.

Well put!

[natty dread]

In our twenties, we were pulled over and a buddy of mine got flat out ignorant with one of the police officers. They sent us on our way, then beat the crap out of him. No one was surprised or blaming the cops the next day when we found out. I think it's well deserved punishment for being fucking stupid. That alone justifies the hell out of it.

Nothing justifies abuse of authority and ganging on a defenseless, unarmed person. Cops who abuse their authority and use excessive violence should not be cops, no amount of rationalization is going to change
that.

That's nice that you believe that. Say hi to all the mouthy assholes who linger around in your general vicinity because they feel safe in the environment you foster.

There are no mouthy assholes lingering around in my general vicinity. In fact, I don't keep company with mouthy assholes. So, you know... that pretty much excludes you from ever becoming my BFF. I'm truly sorry about that.

[Woodruff]

why does one person's light kick "escalate the situation" but another person's heavy kick does not?

Almost entirely because the person receiving the heavy kick was handcuffed behind their back.

that makes no difference to the bystanders that he was referring to. we were talking about what their actions would be.

I recognize that. The point I was trying to make is that the "heavy kick" would escalate actions between the two individuals themselves far more if the individual receiving it weren't handcuffed behind their back.

(unless they were unconscious from it, I suppose...)

[2dimes]

There must be a difference bettween Canuckistan and y'all's little country here. I'm reading Rockets posts and understand what he's saying. If you get arrested here you behave yourself or they're telling the Joke later, "How many cops did it take to throw you down the stairs? None! You fell."

The police here are not in the habit of dishing out random beatings but it's fairly well understood that if you get a beating from them it was not because you followed instructions. My brother and some buddies of mine were pulled over many years ago, told to exit the vehicle one at a time to be frisked and cuffed at gun point because they were playing with fire crackers. None of them got kicked in the head but they also all did what they were told.

Oh well, it's nice that we live in a time where people can compare this with what Adolf Hitler did and keep a straight face while they type it out.

[BigBallinStalin]

Firecrackers? Serious shit. Get those hardened criminals off the streets!

[2dimes]

I guess the coppers were concerned since the security guard at the mall phoned 911 about them shooting a gun.

[2dimes]

I heard that this one time Rush was playing a show, and some guy tried to stop them, so Neil Pert killed him... with the drums!

Peart.
GIFSoup

[Woodruff]

There must be a difference bettween Canuckistan and y'all's little country here. I'm reading Rockets posts and understand what he's saying. If you get arrested here you behave yourself or they're telling the Joke later, "How many cops did it take to throw you down the stairs? None! You fell."

The police here are not in the habit of dishing out random beatings but it's fairly well understood that if you get a beating from them it was not because you followed instructions. My brother and some buddies of mine were pulled over many years ago, told to exit the vehicle one at a time to be frisked and cuffed at gun point because they were playing with fire crackers. None of them got kicked in the head but they also all did what they were told.

Oh well, it's nice that we live in a time where people can compare this with what Adolf Hitler did and keep a straight face while they type it out.

It's really not at all that I disagree with what Johnny and yourself are saying...it's absolutely how I would handle myself and how I would expect anyone else to handle themselves. I REALLY don't feel much sympathy for the lady that got her head kicked. HOWEVER, that does not in ANY WAY excuse his actions. I'm glad that the police in Canuckistan don't tend to dish out random beatings. I like to think that it doesn't happen that often here either. Unfortunately, the number of videos of precisely that happening does tell a story that doesn't necessarily match up with what I wish it were.

tl; dr: My lack of sympathy for the drunken dumbass kicker is irrelevant to my absolute belief that the police officer should be removed from line duty. He has issues he needs to resolve first.

[2dimes]

Fair enough. We concluded that on page two. We should totally go get a pizza.

Edit: I spelled "page three" wrong.

[Johnny Rockets]

interesting that you used the word "assault" in order to make it seem like a serious attack and give less credibility to the perfectly valid accusation of improper use of force by the cop.

in a country where one can be handcuffed for literally doing nothing, your assumption that the woman/your friend initiated the conflict is depressing and ignorant.

It was an assault. That was the legal term for it. Considering in the video he had one foot on the curb, would your opinion change if he had torn a knee ligament or caught a head injury doing a face plant? The assault does not refer to the outcome. It refers to the INTENT.
You lashed out at an arresting officer.
In some countries you are shot for that. Count your self lucky.

As for my assumptions on who started it, unless you have any fact and links to add about why the woman was arrested in the first place, try to depress your own ignorance.

So no, he did not blow out a knee, or smack his head into the parking lot.
She was not seriously wounded either. If she was, the media would have been rabid about that little detail.

i'm not defending the woman at all, except from being a victim of unnecessary violence.

And In my opinion, that repercussion was warranted. Here, have a marshmallow bunny.

you made up a lot of shit in this paragraph that i can't really respond to except to say "lol, no"

Understood. Not everyone can grasp the concepts of respect and social responsibility. When you look at the state society is in, take comfort in that you are not alone.


Johnny Rockets

[Johnny Rockets]

There are no mouthy assholes lingering around in my general vicinity. In fact, I don't keep company with mouthy assholes. So, you know... that pretty much excludes you from ever becoming my BFF. I'm truly sorry about that.

Well, Forest for the trees, and all that.

JRock

[Aradhus]

I knew this guy, who for whatever reason (the reason is irrelevant and would only serve to distract and engender favour for his actions, when his actions are unimportant) spat on a police officer. For his troubles he had the utter shit kicked out of him and his arm broken, he deserved it though, how dare he even consider challenging authority in any way. He should be thankful too, in some countries he might've been murdered for spitting at a cop.

The woman in the gif should be thankful, in some countries she would be raped and/or murdered for kicking out at a police officer.

[BigBallinStalin]

In a similar vein, the people of the US should be happy--no matter what!, because people in Zimbabwe got it so much worse!

The Tea Party Death Squads, oh they're so bad! But hey! In another time and place, the SS were hunting Jews and killing them! Thank God we have the TPDS!!