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[AndyDufresne]

I enjoy the jedi mind tricks. "This is not the scarcity that you are looking for." Nano hemp oyster mushrooms aluminating oxygen chemtrailing 75% rates when the geoengineering starts; free us from their bonds.

--Andy

[warmonger1981]

What Masons want is a Masonic Republic spread across the globe.
In the 99th Congress (85-86) there were 47 Masons and in the 100th Congress (87-88) there was 58.
Jesse Jackson, Thurgood Marshall and Dr.Benjamin Hooks of the NAACP are members of the Prince Hall Lodge.
President Truman's cabinet had many Masons
C.P Anderson - Secretary of Agriculture-US Senator
L.A Johnson - Secretary of Defence
H.A Wallace - Secretary of Commerce
T.C Clark - Attorney General-Associated Justice of the Supreme Court
J.F Byrnes - Secretary of State
F.M Vinson - Secretary of Treasury-Chief Justice of the Supreme Court -Director of the Office of Economic Stabilization
G.C Marshall - US Secretary of State-US Secretary of Defence
C.E Wilson - Director of Office of Defence Mobilization


Truman Supreme Court appointments included
H.H Burton-T.C Clark-F.M Vinson-S Minton


Eisenhower-Roosevelt-Wilson had high ranking Masons in high positions of power. Fun facts kids. Thats all.

[AndyDufresne]

President Truman's cabinet had many Masons
C.P Anderson - Secretary of Agriculture-US Senator
L.A Johnson - Secretary of Defence
H.A Wallace - Secretary of Commerce
T.C Clark - Attorney General-Associated Justice of the Supreme Court
J.F Byrnes - Secretary of State
F.M Vinson - Secretary of Treasury-Chief Justice of the Supreme Court -Director of the Office of Economic Stabilization
G.C Marshall - US Secretary of State-US Secretary of Defence
C.E Wilson - Director of Office of Defence Mobilization

Fun facts kids. Thats all.

I am noticing another pattern here. I think the Scandinavians have infiltrated our administrations. Damn them and their nordic resolve. Damn them.


--Andy

[thegreekdog]

So basically any dudes that use initials as first names are Masons? Seems easy to unravel the conspiracy.

Although... what about George R.R. Martin? Initials for his middle names. Shit. Back to the drawing board.

[BigBallinStalin]

So basically any dudes that use initials as first names are Masons? Seems easy to unravel the conspiracy.

Although... what about George R.R. Martin? Initials for his middle names. Shit. Back to the drawing board.

Having initials in the middle of your name means that you are an internal Mason Member--which is the elite group of Masons who engage in even sneakier stuff.

[warmonger1981]

No no you dont understand TGD. Or ar you messin? All im thinking is it pure coincidence or the odds just that good that Masons are that common and qualified for such positions. Is there one guy running shit? In my opinion no. But is there a grand system being built slowly. Yes. Its a system of where the State is superior and all knowing. You only can make judgements based on your personal research as I can make judgements based upon my knowledge and research. A person who knows nothing about laws cannot tell you you are not doing your job right can they? Initials because Im to lazy to spell the name out completely.

[AndyDufresne]

I also found another secret mason:


I mean, just look at that tagline. There is something sinister about it.


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

We should also see how many Harvard graduates have held positions of high authority and then conclude that Harvard--with its secret agenda--is bent on controlling the United States of America.

[warmonger1981]

Shall we have a discussion like adults or shall I dismiss this discussion. I expect this out of Andy as this is the only way he knows how to communicate. Now people who presume themselves as intelligent, like BBS or TGD, I would expect more from you. I actually expect more from anyone but Andy. Is it impossible for such things to happen? Like I said I believe it to be the State which has been constructed in a Masonic design. No one person pulling strings but Masonic members dedicating themselves to a greater cause all moving to create a Masonic Republic. I didnt watch crazy youtube videos by people who make shit up. I read their own writings and look at the broader spectrum.

[BigBallinStalin]

In order to provide more convincing evidence that Masons have constructed the current State, then you'd have to explain how members of other organizations who have similarly held positions of high authority have not also constructed the current State. In short, you have to control for other relevant variables; otherwise, a huge range of outcomes would seem to fit the Masonic Elite hypothesis.

'Masonic design' is vague.

[_sabotage_]

Money.

In 1815 Nathan Rothschild took over the British debt for pennies on the dollar.

His brother in France is known to have 130% the capital of all other French bankers combined in the mid 1800s.

They then funded most of the leading families in the US who created most of learning centres: Harvard, Princeton, Columbia, MIT, University of Chicago.

Only they have the power to print money.

They bought up the media roughly a hundred years ago.

They are allied to the main competing spheres of inflluence: the Republican Party, the Democratic party, the Catholic Church, the Jewish leaders.

The own and control the energy sector, the CIA, as well as international bodies such as the UN.

There are competing groups, but they cannot steer the laws in the favor, the money in their favor, or information. Most competition is just vying for places within their existing hierarchy.

[AndyDufresne]

Shall we have a discussion like adults or shall I dismiss this discussion. I expect this out of Andy as this is the only way he knows how to communicate. Now people who presume themselves as intelligent, like BBS or TGD, I would expect more from you. I actually expect more from anyone but Andy.

--Andy

[thegreekdog]

The reason I've never believed in the masons and other "behind the scenes world controlling leaders" (other than, you know, it's fucking crazy), is that it's simply impossible to accrue that much loyalty to that many people over a period of 200 years or more. Someone would have said something a long time ago.

That being said, I'm sure it's fun to think of a vast conspiracy for a few different reasons. First, if something goes wrong in one's life, it's the fault of the masons. Second, it helps make sense of why people think the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Third, it's just cool and everyone wants to be in the group or, fourth and alternatively, everyone wants to take down the group (which is also cool).

[2dimes]

Someone would have said something a long time ago.

That would require we spoke to the peasants. How vulger.

[_sabotage_]

The illuminati are not the masons. When the illuminati were discovered, people were pissed, so the illuminati went underground by tunneling into the masons and building strength. They sprouted offshoots over two hundred years by building the richest and most powerful families on earth.

They bank the popes money, the kings money, the countries money. They have been getting a cut off the worlds efforts and took their cut to guide the world through them.

[BigBallinStalin]

The illuminati are not the masons. When the illuminati were discovered, people were pissed, so the illuminati went underground by tunneling into the masons and building strength. They sprouted offshoots over two hundred years by building the richest and most powerful families on earth.

They bank the popes money, the kings money, the countries money. They have been getting a cut off the worlds efforts and took their cut to guide the world through them.

You're mixing up conspiracy theories. Wasn't it the Jews who bank the popes, kings, countries' money?

[_sabotage_]

The illuminati are the "Jews" or at least the same group which started the illuminati started Zionism.

The "Jews" wanted to end the Church's reign, so they paid Weishaupt to pave the way. He attracted several thousand people to the cause, but when a messenger was struck by lightning, the teachings of the illuminati were brought to light and banned. But Weishaupt just hid it in the masons, a secret society within a secret society.

These "Jews" were in control over the price of gold, choose The Lord Mayor of the city, brought the Fed about, backed both sides of most major wars in the last 200 years, were given Israel, and in general created the world we have today. These are the Rothschilds.

[mrswdk]

So the Nazis were right after all?

[BigBallinStalin]

So the Jewish Rothschilds of the secret, secret sect within the Illuminati Masons monopolized the production of gold, thereby controlling its prices while the Lord Mayor and Friends brainwashed US Presidents and every member of the Federal Reserve System in order to fund 200 years of wars, create Israel, and then create the modern world all because the Nazis brought it to light and were banned?

Wait, where do the Jews banking the popes fit into this, and what's the secret relationship between the popes and the Illuminati + Secret Secret Mason Sect?

[_sabotage_]

The Rothschilds, who run the illuminati, had it snuck into the masons. Masons knew of this and did not like it. If you look at the early history of the central bank, it was one of the biggest issues in US history. Laden with debt from the revolution, the Rothschilds used their agent Hamilton to set up the first central bank. In 1811 their charter was not renewed and the Rothschilds got the British to wage the war of 1812 after which the bank was reinstated.

Jackson ran on a platform of ending the international bankers money control, after surviving an assassination attempt, a common event when presidents go after the central bank, he succeeded. His last words were, I killed the bank.

In 1907, the Rothschilds worked with their US agents to crash the market. They used this to have a bank, which they intentional made to look like a government agency, reinstated.

They had been busy at work in other sectors of the world as well. When they attempted to impede Lincoln, he received help from the Russians. The Rothschilds agent, Rhodes funded the Japanese to attack Russia. The Russian revolution was funded by Schiff, whose family had lived with and worked with the Rothschilds for a 150 years at the time. The funding of the revolution had many reasons. They wanted control over Russia, they wanted revenge on the Czars, they wanted to promote Zionism, they wanted to promote atheism and they wanted to be able to take the world to war.

In the early 20th century, the Rothschilds were making headway on being granted a state by the British, but they needed people to move there. For the Jews of Europe, moving to a unknown and unsafe place was repugnant. The Rothschilds used their power in the media and Russia to promote the idea of persecution of the Jews. After being granted Israel by the British, there was still little interest among the Jews to return there, so the Rothschilds funded Hitler. The reason was not to just provide the Jews with a reason to return to Israel, they wanted to set up international bodies, such as the UN to get the foot in the door for the NWO.

All main protagonists were under the Rothschilds: the British, French, Germans, Italians, Japanese, US, and Russians.

[warmonger1981]

It is true Masonry was infiltrated by the Illuminati in the 1800's after they were found in Bavaria. I will try to lay out a manifesto on the subject later. It is more complex than people can fathom. Masonry has a secret sect within itself set up by Pike. It will take some time so please be patient. The Vatican can keep secrets and loyalty for hundreds of years. Is it so impossible that Masonry can keep secrets and loyalty for 200? Not evry Mason is a bad person or doing evil. They dont work for a single man. They are trying to bring about the Grand Architects design to light. Masonry is much much more than a secret boys club. It s a religion.

[mrswdk]

The Rothschilds funded the Holocaust in order to encourage Jews to move to their new Jewish motherland and to encourage establishment of the UN? Could they not have achieved those goals without having millions of their brethren de-propertied and then slaughtered?

[_sabotage_]

Hitlers grandmother became pregnant out of wedlock while working as a servant for a Rothschild known to find young women irresistible.

What makes you think they consider Jews their brethren and not Hitler?

Moving the Jews back was no easy task, they had been in Russia and Eastern Europe for centuries. Imagine if we tried to move African Americans back to Africa. The Rothschilds did finance Jews who were willing to move, but there weren't many and they were moving into an inhospitable territory. After WWII, they had global protection and had a liquidate population at their disposal.

You are assuming that the Rothschilds care about the Jews, that they founded Zionism for the benefit of the Jews. This is not supported by history:

The Jewish farmers were told what to grow and they soon found out who was in charge if they questioned his orders. In 1901, these Jewish people complained to Rothschild about this dictatorship over their settlement or "Yishuv".

They asked him:
"..if you wish to save the Yishuv, first take your hands from it, and…for once permit the colonists to have the possibility of correcting for themselves whatever needs correcting.."
Baron Rothschild replied:
"I created the Yishuv, I alone. Therefore no men, neither colonists nor organizations, have the right to interfere in my plans.."

[mrswdk]

Do the wars in Korea and Vietnam fit into all this?

[_sabotage_]

You mean, are the Chinese in on it?

They did finance Mao and do own part of their central bank. They were the central figures in the opium war, and trade between Asia and the west.