ACLU Has Priorities Straight?

[jusplay4fun]

Again, several thoughtful and perspicacious comments are given by Doc Brown here.

[mookiemcgee]

Mookie,
I think you're missing the point. Of course the beer thing is silly. Other companies have gone much farther in embracing sexual expression or whatnot. The issue is that the trans issues have gone way beyond what is reasonable. If a man were to walk into a girls locker room and drop his pants, he would go to jail and have to register permanently as a sexual predator. If he did the exact same thing but said "I identify as a female" before doing so, not only would he not get in trouble, but any women that complained would be denigrated as transphobes. Objecting against these kinds of absurdities in public is a good way to get a target on your back.

Dylan Mulvaney is an insulting caricature of a woman. Dylan goes way over the top with the girly stereotypes. Someone used the term "woman face," and I think it is apt in this situation (unlike in a case such as Caitlin Jenner, who never amped up the stereotypes to the point of mockery). Dylan's actions bear a strong resemblance to the black face minstrel shows of last century.

But who cares what Dylan actually drinks? You are fully correct that drinking Bud Light doesn't make anyone queer or trans, and the fact that a can exists with Dylan's face on it has no bearing on anyone else's well-being or sexuality. But that's not the point. The point is that there is a pent-up frustration with the absurdity of where the culture has gone and a feeling that any attempt to call out that absurdity will result in severe consequences. AB's actions here to celebrate and promote Dylan Mulvaney offered a very easy outlet for the frustration the general public is feeling. If this had happened 3 years ago, I suspect it would have been completely ignored. Bud Light is (in economics terms) an inferior good. It's cheap and easily replaced. There are comparable products on the market, and the only thing keeping people drinking Bud Light was force of habit. Tap into the frustration people are already feeling, and it's easy to get them to change their habits in a case like this. The same could not be said for previous boycott efforts focused on things like Disney World, since there was nothing directly comparable and people would actually make a sacrifice to actively avoid Disney.

I say all this as someone who brews my own beer and only really spends money on craft beer anyway. I haven't had a Bud Light in the last 15 years at least.

I can certainly respect the opinion of a non-bud light drinker.

Honestly I agree with most of what you said, we are just making two different points.
Your is about the absurdity of culture around gender issues.
Mine was about absurdity of people boycotting a product they like simply because it was being actively sold/advertised to a group they don't like. People have been ginned up over something that has nothing to do with what they are boycotting. Inbev isn't blasting americans en mass with ads featuring trans sport stars beating women for gold medals. There was no bud light superbowl ad featuring a 15 year old trans kid sneaking out of his house to get his wang cut off by a surgical team. There aren't giant bud light decals being posted on newly installed gender neutral toilet across this great country. Maybe there is a better way for unhappy americans to protest against things they don't like about society?

[DirtyDishSoap]

Missing the point.

We're not missing the point, you're making it into something it isn't.

This entire ad had nothing to do with anyone. Who tf is Dylan anyways? You stupid fucks put this person on a pedestal and are practically eating your own garbage at this point without realizing it.

It's a fucking ad about beer. Nothing to do with bathrooms, sports or whatever dumb shit you dream up. Dylan happens to be a transgender and that's the entire fixation. Woo hoo? Big deal?

[jimboston]

I mean if you people don’t want to acknowledge the Trans Agenda has gone too far… that’s fine.


What will they demand next?

God forbid they are chosen by a beer company to promote the beer to other trans people. Some demands just go to far and I respect you Jim for choosing this particular hill to die on. Totally worth it so we don't end up drinking the same beer as 'THEM'!!!

If you want to pretend you don’t see how this snowballs that’s fine…

You can pretend.

… but you’re smarter than that.

[jimboston]

Doc hit it… the Bud Light thing is a reaction because it’s something people CAN do.

People complain to school boards and athletic commissions… but nothing changes because this Woke Culture change is being forced down on us…. why I have no clue, but it’s happening.

[mookiemcgee]

I mean if you people don’t want to acknowledge the Trans Agenda has gone too far… that’s fine.


What will they demand next?

God forbid they are chosen by a beer company to promote the beer to other trans people. Some demands just go to far and I respect you Jim for choosing this particular hill to die on. Totally worth it so we don't end up drinking the same beer as 'THEM'!!!

If you want to pretend you don’t see how this snowballs that’s fine…

You can pretend.

… but you’re smarter than that.

What are they gonna do next, market your favorite beer to blacks, asians or god forbid jews? Down with Inbev!

[GaryDenton]

The Right ignorant radicals now expand boycott to Miller Lite.
It's sin? Having a campaign with fully clothed women pointing out that beer companies use a lot of sexist ads.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/may/17/miller-lite-ads-women-clothing-misogyny

[jimboston]

I mean if you people don’t want to acknowledge the Trans Agenda has gone too far… that’s fine.


What will they demand next?

God forbid they are chosen by a beer company to promote the beer to other trans people. Some demands just go to far and I respect you Jim for choosing this particular hill to die on. Totally worth it so we don't end up drinking the same beer as 'THEM'!!!

If you want to pretend you don’t see how this snowballs that’s fine…

You can pretend.

… but you’re smarter than that.

What are they gonna do next, market your favorite beer to blacks, asians or god forbid jews? Down with Inbev!

It’s NOT about the beer.

The beer is a symptom… a symptom that is easy to point out and easy to protest.

What will they do next? IDK… start giving puberty blockers to 10year olds without their parent’s knowledge?
They are already doing this for older kids. They already give ADHD type medications to kids without parent knowledge/consent.

They are already performing permanent body mutilation surgery on 16year olds. They won’t allow a 16yo to get a tattoo in some places with parental consent… but they will provide “gender affirming care” (i.e. permanent mutilation of sexual organs) on 16yo’ s in some places against parental wishes.

[jimboston]

The Right ignorant radicals now expand boycott to Miller Lite.
It's sin? Having a campaign with fully clothed women pointing out that beer companies use a lot of sexist ads.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2023/may/17/miller-lite-ads-women-clothing-misogyny

I haven’t seen this ad. I heard about it… it’s an old ad.
I heard about it and it sounded like it was a parody/joke.

[mookiemcgee]

I mean if you people don’t want to acknowledge the Trans Agenda has gone too far… that’s fine.


What will they demand next?

God forbid they are chosen by a beer company to promote the beer to other trans people. Some demands just go to far and I respect you Jim for choosing this particular hill to die on. Totally worth it so we don't end up drinking the same beer as 'THEM'!!!

If you want to pretend you don’t see how this snowballs that’s fine…

You can pretend.

… but you’re smarter than that.

What are they gonna do next, market your favorite beer to blacks, asians or god forbid jews? Down with Inbev!

What will they do next? IDK… start giving puberty blockers to 10year olds without their parent’s knowledge?

They are already doing this for older kids. They already give ADHD type medications to kids without parent knowledge/consent.

They are already performing permanent body mutilation surgery on 16year olds. They won’t allow a 16yo to get a tattoo in some places with parental consent… but they will provide “gender affirming care” (i.e. permanent mutilation of sexual organs) on 16yo’ s in some places against parental wishes.

I understand from your statement that bud light is putting puberty blockers in their beer, but I don't understand how 10 years old are getting their hands on this gender affirming beer?

[2dimes]

They stand outside the store and give Jim money to buy it for them.

[DirtyDishSoap]

[jimboston]

I mean if you people don’t want to acknowledge the Trans Agenda has gone too far… that’s fine.


What will they demand next?

God forbid they are chosen by a beer company to promote the beer to other trans people. Some demands just go to far and I respect you Jim for choosing this particular hill to die on. Totally worth it so we don't end up drinking the same beer as 'THEM'!!!

If you want to pretend you don’t see how this snowballs that’s fine…

You can pretend.

… but you’re smarter than that.

What are they gonna do next, market your favorite beer to blacks, asians or god forbid jews? Down with Inbev!

What will they do next? IDK… start giving puberty blockers to 10year olds without their parent’s knowledge?

They are already doing this for older kids. They already give ADHD type medications to kids without parent knowledge/consent.

They are already performing permanent body mutilation surgery on 16year olds. They won’t allow a 16yo to get a tattoo in some places with parental consent… but they will provide “gender affirming care” (i.e. permanent mutilation of sexual organs) on 16yo’ s in some places against parental wishes.

I understand from your statement that bud light is putting puberty blockers in their beer, but I don't understand how 10 years old are getting their hands on this gender affirming beer?

I guess you don’t see Bud Light’s marketing move as am embracing of Woke Trans Culture and an attack on Traditional Family; and you furthermore don’t see this as an example of a larger social problem.

I disagree, but that’s fine… just say that.

Trying to put word in my mouth isn’t as funny as you think it is.

[mookiemcgee]

Err... I did say that. It's pretty much all I've been saying this entire thread.

Bud light advertises to all types of social subsets to maximize sales. Somehow in your fully regarded brain that = 'an attack on traditional family values'.

Then you say 'it's not about the beer', it's about 'bathrooms' and '16 y/o getting their wang hacked off' and 'what are they going to do next'. well if the 'they' is bud light, 'they' didn't do any of the shit you are going on a series of hateful rants about. 'they' do the same kind of advertising to all sort of social subsets including white Bostons based boomers. It's how companies market in 2023, it's not a 'agenda based marketing move' its just MARKETING.

What is next on this slippery slope Jim, are you gonna stop buying paint because they sell all the colors of the gay rainbow flag? Are you gonna protest using steel because they allow a trans person to work in a steel factory, and therefore they MUST BE SUPPORTING THE TRANS AGENDA?!?

[DirtyDishSoap]

I really enjoy how this transformed from some unknown transgender promoting a beer into this bathroom discussion. It's a 2018 rehash.

THE SKY IS FALLING!

[jimboston]

Err... I did say that. It's pretty much all I've been saying this entire thread.

Bud light advertises to all types of social subsets to maximize sales. Somehow in your fully regarded brain that = 'an attack on traditional family values'.

Then you say 'it's not about the beer', it's about 'bathrooms' and '16 y/o getting their wang hacked off' and 'what are they going to do next'. well if the 'they' is bud light, 'they' didn't do any of the shit you are going on a series of hateful rants about. 'they' do the same kind of advertising to all sort of social subsets including white Bostons based boomers. It's how companies market in 2023, it's not a 'agenda based marketing move' its just MARKETING.

What is next on this slippery slope Jim, are you gonna stop buying paint because they sell all the colors of the gay rainbow flag? Are you gonna protest using steel because they allow a trans person to work in a steel factory, and therefore they MUST BE SUPPORTING THE TRANS AGENDA?!?

You keep twisting the point… wasn’t funny the first time. Now it’s boring.

I hope they keep getting punished for pushing this agenda.

[jimboston]

A male high school junior identifying as a girl has advanced to the California State Championships.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... ak-up.html

The extreme leftist “Woke” end of the Democratic Party thinks this is all fine.
They have no care for the girl who won’t get to compete because some boy wants to play pretend as a girl.

It also appears this boy, no going by the moniker of “Athena” is a cocky little prick. It’s reported he looked at the girl who came in 4th (thus being eliminated) and gave her a cocky little “thumbs down” sign. I mean at least he has good sportsmanship.

Meanwhile many parents of other athletes are afraid to speak out against this dumb policy for fear that their children could be barred. The problem with trying to speak up here is that you risk your own child’s opportunities. Since there is only a short window in high school (typically your chances at States are in Junior and Senior years, though there are exceptions); so you typically have a 1-2 year window… and since it’s unlikely the school will act quickly as a parent there’s really only the risk side and no reward or benefit side.

You all think this is fair?

[Dukasaur]

I don't think most people accept this as fair.

[jimboston]

I don't think most people accept this as fair.

Yet our politicians force these policies and we all do nothing.

[2dimes]

Whoa, you've got twenty one year olds in their first year of high school in California?
Regardless of gender they must be dominating the 14 year olds.

[DirtyDishSoap]

I don't think most people accept this as fair.

It isn't. We're already aware California takes everything to an extreme. I believe half the nation has already banned transgenders from competing in same gender sports. It's common sense.

[jimboston]

Whoa, you've got twenty one year olds in their first year of high school in California?
Regardless of gender they must be dominating the 14 year olds.

?

The boy, now named Athena, is a Junior in High School… not 21.

Not sure where you see that… but I will admit I just posted any random article that referenced this new story.
If the article has a typo I didn’t notice.

[jimboston]

I don't think most people accept this as fair.

It isn't. We're already aware California takes everything to an extreme. I believe half the nation has already banned transgenders from competing in same gender sports. It's common sense.

NO

Some Red States have issued these bans…some high level olympic-level organizations have issued bans.

Meanwhile many liberal Blue States have passed laws that AFFIRM THE ‘RIGHT’ OF BOYS TO COMPETE IN GIRL’S DIVISIONS.

The media publishes and presents laws that limit boys competing against girls… a highlight these laws as “Anti-Trans”.
The media doesn’t bother pushing stories in Blue States we’re libs pass laws in the opposite direction.

[DirtyDishSoap]

You're really approaching some Alex Jones levels of Tinfoil Jim.

[jonesthecurl]

You're really approaching some Alex Jones levels of Tinfoil Jim.

No relation.