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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 1:33 pm

this guy cant find any pictures either.


I wonder why???


Commander Ralph Kolstad, U.S. Navy (ret) – Retired fighter pilot. Former Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School (Topgun). 20-year Navy career. Aircraft flown: McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom, Douglas A-4 Skyhawk, and Grumman F-14 Tomcat. Retired commercial airline captain with 27 years experience. Aircraft flown: Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100. 23,000+ total hours flown.

Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...

At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757’s and 767’s and could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.

I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor, U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!

Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?

I also personally knew American Airlines Captain “Chick” Burlingame, who was the captain of Flight 77 which allegedly hit the Pentagon, and I know he would not have given up his airplane to crazies!

And at the Shanksville Pennsylvania impact site, where is any of the wreckage?!!! Of all the pictures I have seen, there is only a hole! Where is any piece of a crashed airplane? Why was the area cordoned off, and no inspection allowed by the normal accident personnel? Where is any evidence at all?

When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official “story”. ...

Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official “story” and why I want the truth to be told." Link to full statement
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Postby GreecePwns on Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:07 pm

xtratabasco wrote:Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official “story” and why I want the truth to be told." Link to full statement
You cant get more copied and pasted obvious than this... :lol:
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Postby Dancing Mustard on Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:21 pm

Seriously, here are the pictures Xtra. How are you going to refute that kind of incredible evidence?
Are you blind? Are you seriously denying the images of the plane-wreck right there?

Image

And from another angle:

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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:40 pm

GreecePwns wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Every question leads to another question that has not been answered by anyone in authority. This is just the beginning as to why I don’t believe the official “story” and why I want the truth to be told." Link to full statement
You cant get more copied and pasted obvious than this... :lol:




or this


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* Article 10/29/04: "The official story of what actually took place on 9-11 is a lie." http://www.americanfreepress.net


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Postby lord twiggy1 on Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:45 pm

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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:47 pm

Dude we have shown you pictures. And evidence. And lots of it.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:53 pm

Iliad wrote:Dude we have shown you pictures. And evidence. And lots of it.



then go collect your million dollars




lol


:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:22 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:Dude we have shown you pictures. And evidence. And lots of it.



then go collect your million dollars




lol


:lol: :lol: :lol:

Stop trying to give the look that your posts have content with lols and blank space!
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Postby unriggable on Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:57 pm

xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.
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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:13 pm

unriggable wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.

The building actually had been constructed poorly because once the steel became soft all the above floors collapsed onto themselves.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:18 pm

Iliad wrote:
unriggable wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.

The building actually had been constructed poorly because once the steel became soft all the above floors collapsed onto themselves.



then why did it come down in less than free fall speed?
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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:19 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:
unriggable wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.

The building actually had been constructed poorly because once the steel became soft all the above floors collapsed onto themselves.



then why did it come down in less than free fall speed?

because the floors collapsed onto themselves!
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Postby s.xkitten on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:20 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:
unriggable wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.

The building actually had been constructed poorly because once the steel became soft all the above floors collapsed onto themselves.



then why did it come down in less than free fall speed?


because the steel was softened, not destroyed completely...it slowed the decent, but it wasn't strong enough to actually hold the floors above it up.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:23 pm

s.xkitten wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:
unriggable wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.

The building actually had been constructed poorly because once the steel became soft all the above floors collapsed onto themselves.



then why did it come down in less than free fall speed?


because the steel was softened, not destroyed completely...it slowed the decent, but it wasn't strong enough to actually hold the floors above it up.


why did the building fall faster than free fall speed???





because it was pulled with explosives.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2wpPb3dWARk
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Postby muy_thaiguy on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:27 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:
unriggable wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.

The building actually had been constructed poorly because once the steel became soft all the above floors collapsed onto themselves.



then why did it come down in less than free fall speed?


because the steel was softened, not destroyed completely...it slowed the decent, but it wasn't strong enough to actually hold the floors above it up.


why did the building fall faster than free fall speed???





because it was pulled with explosives.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2wpPb3dWARk
You reak=lized you just contradicted yourself, right? First you said:
xtratabasco wrote:then why did it come down in less than free fall speed?
And now you say it fell faster then freefall. Will you make up your mind on what you believe at least?
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:29 pm

xtratabasco wrote:



I just want you to show the pictures of the damaged boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.



common try it.......



lol[/quote]


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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:30 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
s.xkitten wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:
unriggable wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:Statement to this website 8/20/07: "I started questioning the Sept 11, 2001 “story” only days after the event. It just didn’t make any sense to me. How could a steel and concrete building collapse after being hit by a Boeing 767? Didn’t the engineers design it to withstand a direct hit from a Boeing 707, approximately the same size and weight of the 767? The evidence just didn’t add up. ...


Wikipedia says:

Construction of the World Trade Center's North Tower began in August 1968, and the South Tower in 1969.

You think commercial planes were on their minds when they built the towers? I'm pretty sure that wind was their biggest opponent.

The building actually had been constructed poorly because once the steel became soft all the above floors collapsed onto themselves.



then why did it come down in less than free fall speed?


because the steel was softened, not destroyed completely...it slowed the decent, but it wasn't strong enough to actually hold the floors above it up.


why did the building fall faster than free fall speed???





because it was pulled with explosives.


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=2wpPb3dWARk

TI didn't fall faster. TI fell fast. And stop showing random videos. That video was horrible with an even worse version of Imagine.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:31 pm

I just want you to show the pictures of the damaged boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.



common try it.......



lol






will get to the other areas in a different thread
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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:34 pm

xtratabasco wrote:I just want you to show the pictures of the damaged boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.
common try it.......
lol
will get to the other areas in a different thread

Dude the plane crashed!!! Planes don't survive that! Can't you realise that all that was left of the plane was debris?
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:37 pm

Iliad wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I just want you to show the pictures of the damaged boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.
common try it.......
lol
will get to the other areas in a different thread

Dude the plane crashed!!! Planes don't survive that! Can't you realise that all that was left of the plane was debris?



this government says it vaporized.



but me, this guy and 43% of the people dont believe them.


Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. Former Certified Commercial Pilot. Former Certified Flight Instructor and Certified Ground Instructor.

* Statement to this website 4/10/07: "I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing "IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES" such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire "national defense-first responder" intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. ...

I believe that 9/11 was what is known as a "False Flag Operation" in which a country inflicts casualties upon itself, and then blames it on an enemy that they want to go to war against. It is one more instance in the United States’ long history of using "False Flag Operations" and blatant propaganda to ramp-up hostile emotions towards an enemy in a population otherwise resistant to going to war." Link to full statement and expanded bio






just show us the pics


or dont


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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:47 pm

xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I just want you to show the pictures of the damaged boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.
common try it.......
lol
will get to the other areas in a different thread

Dude the plane crashed!!! Planes don't survive that! Can't you realise that all that was left of the plane was debris?



this government says it vaporized.



but me, this guy and 43% of the people dont believe them.


Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. Former Certified Commercial Pilot. Former Certified Flight Instructor and Certified Ground Instructor.

* Statement to this website 4/10/07: "I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing "IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES" such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire "national defense-first responder" intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. ...

I believe that 9/11 was what is known as a "False Flag Operation" in which a country inflicts casualties upon itself, and then blames it on an enemy that they want to go to war against. It is one more instance in the United States’ long history of using "False Flag Operations" and blatant propaganda to ramp-up hostile emotions towards an enemy in a population otherwise resistant to going to war." Link to full statement and expanded bio






just show us the pics


or dont


:lol: :lol:

DUDE FUCKING RED THIS! GIVE YOUR OWN EVIDENCE AND STOP QUOTING RANDOM RETARDS!!!
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:50 pm

Iliad wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:
Iliad wrote:
xtratabasco wrote:I just want you to show the pictures of the damaged boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon.
common try it.......
lol
will get to the other areas in a different thread

Dude the plane crashed!!! Planes don't survive that! Can't you realise that all that was left of the plane was debris?



this government says it vaporized.



but me, this guy and 43% of the people dont believe them.


Robin Hordon – Former FAA Air Traffic Controller at the Boston Air Route Traffic Control Center, located in Nashua, NH, 1970 - 1981. Former Certified Commercial Pilot. Former Certified Flight Instructor and Certified Ground Instructor.

* Statement to this website 4/10/07: "I knew within hours of the attacks on 9/11/2001 that it was an inside job. Based on my 11-year experience as an FAA Air Traffic Controller in the busy Northeast corridor, including hundreds of hours of training, briefings, air refuelings, low altitude bombing drills, being part of huge military exercises, daily military training exercises, interacting on a routine basis directly with NORAD radar personnel, and based on my own direct experience dealing with in-flight emergency situations, including two instances of hijacked commercial airliners, I state unequivocally; There is absolutely no way that four large commercial airliners could have flown around off course for 30 to 60 minutes on 9/11 without being intercepted and shot completely out of the sky by our jet fighters unless very highly placed people in our government and our military wanted it to happen.

It is important for people to understand that scrambling jet fighters to intercept aircraft showing the signs of experiencing "IN-FLIGHT EMERGENCIES" such as going off course without authorization, losing a transponder signal and/or losing radio contact is a common and routine task executed jointly between the FAA and NORAD controllers. The entire "national defense-first responder" intercept system has many highly-trained civilian and military personnel who are committed and well-trained to this task. FAA and NORAD continuously monitor our skies and fighter planes and pilots are on the ready 24/7 to handle these situations. Jet fighters typically intercept any suspect plane over the United States within 10 - 15 minutes of notification of a problem.

This type of "immediate, high speed, high priority and emergency" scramble had been happening regularly approximately 75 - 150 times per year for ten years. ...

I believe that 9/11 was what is known as a "False Flag Operation" in which a country inflicts casualties upon itself, and then blames it on an enemy that they want to go to war against. It is one more instance in the United States’ long history of using "False Flag Operations" and blatant propaganda to ramp-up hostile emotions towards an enemy in a population otherwise resistant to going to war." Link to full statement and expanded bio






just show us the pics


or dont


:lol: :lol:

DUDE FUCKING RED THIS! GIVE YOUR OWN EVIDENCE AND STOP QUOTING RANDOM RETARDS!!!



red???


im not an expert so I dont have evidence for you. lol


I just want one of you to show the pictures of the boeing 757 that this government says hit the pentagon. use google if you wish. lol

you could just say it vaporized like this government did.


lol :lol: :lol:
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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:54 pm

Dude did you ever study physics? Do you know what will happen to a plane if its smashes into a building? There was only debris left.
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Postby xtratabasco on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:55 pm

was one of these guys the ones that flew the boeing 757 that hit the pentagon and vaporized?


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNgK8k2kt8



lol



:lol: :lol:
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Postby Iliad on Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:58 pm

xtratabasco wrote:was one of these guys the ones that flew the boeing 757 that hit the pentagon and vaporized?
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ylNgK8k2kt8
lol
:lol: :lol:


STop giving random links and actually give a point. If you're so dumb you can't even give a point like everyone else is THEN STOP ARGUING!!
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