TRUE OR FALSE

[warmonger1981]

Lets start with the Illuminati.

May 1st 1776, Adam Weishaupt founded the Illuminati in Ingolstadt, Germany(1). Proof of the Illunati stems from papers and correspondence found in 1786 by the Bavarian government when they searched a member of the order named Zwack. Two historical document were published , Neseste Arbeitung des Spartacus und Philo in derIlluminaten Orden and Hohere Granden des Illumin. Ordens.. The publications gave the whole secret constitution of the Order, its various degrees and instructions to servants. (2)

Illuminati goals were:
Abolition of Monarchy and all ordered government
Abolition of private property
Abolition of inheritance
Abolition of patriotism
Abolition of the family
Abolition of religion(3)

Weishaupt wrote, " we shall direct all mankind .... The occupations must be so allotted and contrived, that we may,in secret, influence all political transactions. (12)
The Illuminati were not very fond of Christians. Weishaupt considered Christianity to be "superstition" and religion substituted for Reason.
Weishaupt also said " We must consider how we can begin to workunder another form. If only the aim is achieved, it does not matter under what cover it takes place, and a cover is always necessary. For in concealment lies a great part of our strength. Fot this reason we must cover ourselves in the same name of another society. The lodges that are under Freemasonryare the most suitable cloak for our high purpose"

[BigBallinStalin]

Let's put aside the demand for evidence demonstrating their organization's effectiveness in attaining those goals.

If those were their goals, then they've completely failed. Also, I wonder if the early socialists were influenced by such goals, or did they arrive at such goals independently?

[warmonger1981]

Weishaupt stated that "non is fitter than the three lower degrees of Masonry".(20)
Weishaupt explained how the system would work. "That we shall have a Masonic lodge of our own. That we shall regard this as our nursery garden. That to some of these Masons we shall not at once reveal that we have something more than the Masons have. That at every opportunity we shall cover ourselves with this (Masonry)... All those not suited to the work shall remain in the Masonic Lodges and advance in that without knowing anything of the further system."(21)

Weishaupt became a Freemason in 1777 into the Lodge " Theodore de Bon Conseil" in Munich.(25)
In 1778 the idea was launched to formally unite Illuminism and Masonry. Weishaupt met Freiherr von Knigge and through their negotiations formed a union between the two societies.(27) The alliance was formerly sealed at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad. The assembly met representing no less than 3 million secret society members.

In a letter found in 1787 by the Bavarian authorities were the writing of Illuminati Cato: "The Lodge is constituted entirely according to our system...and we have nearly finished our transactions with the Lodges of Poland, and shall have them under our direction."
By the activity of our breathren, the Jesuits have been kept out of all the professorial chairs at Ingolstadt, and our friends prevail".
"We have the Pylades...and he has the church-money at his disposal."(45)

Aloys Hoffman, editor of the Journal de Vienne, wrote : "I shall never cease to repeat that the Revolution has come from Masonry and that it was made by writers and the Illuminati."(67)

[warmonger1981]

The entire plan of the French Revolution was found with the papers of Mirabeau the French Freemason and Illuminist. This document, Croquis ou Projet de Revolution de Monsieur Mirabeau, was seized at the house of the wife of Mirabeau publisher. Oct.6,1789.

[BigBallinStalin]

Rousseau's works played no role in the French Revolution?

And... which plan of the French Revolution? It's not like there was One Plan.

I'm just hinting at the fact that even though A may have been involved in X, it doesn't mean that A predominantly caused X.

[BigBallinStalin]

Weishaupt stated that "non is fitter than the three lower degrees of Masonry".(20)
Weishaupt explained how the system would work. "That we shall have a Masonic lodge of our own. That we shall regard this as our nursery garden. That to some of these Masons we shall not at once reveal that we have something more than the Masons have. That at every opportunity we shall cover ourselves with this (Masonry)... All those not suited to the work shall remain in the Masonic Lodges and advance in that without knowing anything of the further system."(21)

Weishaupt became a Freemason in 1777 into the Lodge " Theodore de Bon Conseil" in Munich.(25)
In 1778 the idea was launched to formally unite Illuminism and Masonry. Weishaupt met Freiherr von Knigge and through their negotiations formed a union between the two societies.(27) The alliance was formerly sealed at the Congress of Wilhelmsbad. The assembly met representing no less than 3 million secret society members.

In a letter found in 1787 by the Bavarian authorities were the writing of Illuminati Cato: "The Lodge is constituted entirely according to our system...and we have nearly finished our transactions with the Lodges of Poland, and shall have them under our direction."
By the activity of our breathren, the Jesuits have been kept out of all the professorial chairs at Ingolstadt, and our friends prevail".
"We have the Pylades...and he has the church-money at his disposal."(45)

Aloys Hoffman, editor of the Journal de Vienne, wrote : "I shall never cease to repeat that the Revolution has come from Masonry and that it was made by writers and the Illuminati."(67)

Yet none of the Illuminati goals were attained, so we can sweep the Illumanati to the side and focus more on real problems like special interest politics and national centralization of government.

[warmonger1981]

Now a little about Freemasonry.


The state of New York conducted an investigation into Freemasonry's conspiratorial powers as early as 1829. The New York State Senate Committee said of Freemasonry "It comprises men of rank, wealth, office and talents in power-and that almost in every place where power is of any importance- it comprises, among the other classes of the community, to the lowest, in large numbers, and capable of being directed by the efforts of others soas to have the force of concert through the civilized world!

The report estimated there were 30,000 Freemasons in the state of New York - about one-fourth the voting population-"yet they have held for forty years, three fourths of all public offices in the state."(2)

[warmonger1981]

In 1834, the Massachusetts Legislature reported the results of its own investi gation of the Masonic "brotherhood" finding that Freemasonry was "a distinct Independant Government within our own Government, and beyond the control of the laws of the land by meansof its secrecy, and the oaths and regulations which its subjects are bound to obey, under penalty of death." The committee added " in no Masonic oath presented to the committee, is there any reservation made of the Constitution and the laws of the land ."(11)
In1836, a committee of the House of Representatives of the State of Pennsylvania gained testimony which confirmed the findings of New York and Massachusetts.(13)
The committee also learned that Masons influence judicial decisions and consider Masonic oaths superior to all other oaths.(14)


The Masonic Congress of 1917 was founded. They supported the League of Nations, The Federation of the United States of Europe and the World Court.

Harding was a Masonic President (21-23). By 1923, 300 of the 435 members of the US House of Representatives were members of Freemasonry as were 30 of the 48 members of the US Senate.
Woodrow Wilson had 8 Masonic members in really high ranking positions.
Two Masonic promoters of the Fed Reserve act were Masons . Senator Robert Owen. He drafted the Fed Reserve Act. Senator Nelson Aldrich maternal grandfather to the Rockefeller brothers. He was one of the secret planners of the Fed Reserve Act.
President Roosevelt (33-45) was a Freemason. There were 7 high ranking Masons in high level positions.
President Roosevelt appointed 6 Supreme Court Justices were Masons.
I already laid out Trumans cabinet.


I can continue this more. It will be more about the psychology of Freemasonry. I can get into Skull and Bones or The National and World Council of Churches next if you wish to hear more on control conspiracy shit.

[2dimes]

Wasn't every single president up until Kennedy a mason? The only Catholic president and of course catholics are not allowed to be masons.

[thegreekdog]

What are the numbers after some of warmonger's sentences? Wikipedia? Wouldn't a mason expert get their information from somewhere other than wiki?

[warmonger1981]

Its so I can keep track of my references. Ask me a number I retrieve it. I just dont feel like posting all the references individually.. I have a shit ton a phases by Pike. Like I said I will lay out a bunch more tonight. Not saying all Masons are bad people. Shriners, according to Louis Farahkan, believe they pray to the bones of Hiram Abiff. Some other stuff about Al-Aqsa.

[AndyDufresne]

I found a pretty sweet site: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... _nwo01.htm


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

I found a pretty sweet site: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... _nwo01.htm


--Andy

I like how the birth of Tyranny starts around the 1700s as opposed to, you know, 7,000+ years ago when humans began developing more hierarchical political structures.

[mrswdk]

I'd have thought that the only place you could find a written copy of sabotage and warmonger's theories would be inside the time capsules they have buried at the bottoms of their gardens.

[warmonger1981]

Nor my theories just shit I read that is documented. Thats why I have references. I'm sure all of this is false and in no way real facts.

[AndyDufresne]

I found a pretty sweet site: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... _nwo01.htm


--Andy

I like how the birth of Tyranny starts around the 1700s as opposed to, you know, 7,000+ years ago when humans began developing more hierarchical political structures.

Here is the contents link for those interested: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... m#contents

Also, note the "Sources Consulted" link at the bottom. I clicked it, and got a 404 "The page cannot be found."


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

Those darn Masons are at it again! Tearing down the traces of their tom-foolery!

[thegreekdog]

I found a pretty sweet site: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... _nwo01.htm


--Andy

I like how the birth of Tyranny starts around the 1700s as opposed to, you know, 7,000+ years ago when humans began developing more hierarchical political structures.

This is an interesting take (and one I like). Are things better or worse for the average person now or 2,000 or 1,000 or even 500 years ago (in terms of the political and economic process)?

[BigBallinStalin]

Economically? Better.

Politically? I'm not as certain, and thinking in terms of "derp more democracies dur better" doesn't help because it depends on the array of public policies which promote the economic prosperity. There's much more political equality and all that, but to be clear I wouldn't attribute much of this progress due to politics itself.

[thegreekdog]

Economically? Better.

Politically? I'm not as certain, and thinking in terms of "derp more democracies dur better" doesn't help because it depends on the array of public policies which promote the economic prosperity. There's much more political equality and all that, but to be clear I wouldn't attribute much of this progress due to politics itself.

I'm appreciative that I'm not required to worship my leader as a god, that I can choose a different leader if I want, and the leader I do have does not have the ability to kill me if the whim strikes him.

[AndyDufresne]

and the leader I do have does not have the ability to kill me if the whim strikes him.

This is what I'm most appreciative of, politically.


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

Economically? Better.

Politically? I'm not as certain, and thinking in terms of "derp more democracies dur better" doesn't help because it depends on the array of public policies which promote the economic prosperity. There's much more political equality and all that, but to be clear I wouldn't attribute much of this progress due to politics itself.

I'm appreciative that I'm not required to worship my leader as a god, that I can choose a different leader if I want, and the leader I do have does not have the ability to kill me if the whim strikes him.

That holds as long as you don't advocate for the destruction of the US state and become associated with 'the bad guys', but sure, I appreciate that general change. Nevertheless, choosing who robs you isn't much of a political advancement.

To clarify my stance, I'm just not as certain that we've advanced as much politically as we have economically. For the past 80 years--in general, we seem to be regressing or have been stagnant politically.

[AndyDufresne]

Why don't we all take our magna carta and shove it?!?


--Andy

[thegreekdog]

Economically? Better.

Politically? I'm not as certain, and thinking in terms of "derp more democracies dur better" doesn't help because it depends on the array of public policies which promote the economic prosperity. There's much more political equality and all that, but to be clear I wouldn't attribute much of this progress due to politics itself.

I'm appreciative that I'm not required to worship my leader as a god, that I can choose a different leader if I want, and the leader I do have does not have the ability to kill me if the whim strikes him.

That holds as long as you don't advocate for the destruction of the US state and become associated with 'the bad guys', but sure, I appreciate that general change. Nevertheless, choosing who robs you isn't much of a political advancement.

To clarify my stance, I'm just not as certain that we've advanced as much politically as we have economically. For the past 80 years--in general, we seem to be regressing or have been stagnant politically.

Warmonger's time frame is 17th/18th century to now. It seems the corrallary for him is "it wasn't bad until 1700." I'm saying "it wasn't good until 1700."

I do agree we have not advanced as much politically as economically, but the average joe is in a much better spot now than he was in ancient Egypt or medieval England.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sounds reasonable to me. No objections.

Warmonger, continue to let loose the cannons of Illumaniti Masonic History.