Jihad in Boston: Death Penalty for Bomber?

[AslanTheKing]

i am a hater of deathpenalty, that much said

an eye for an eye, a live for a live

Riiiiiiiiiggggghhhhhhht.

Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt

im against deathpenalty,
and if, then lethal injection, not what htey do in saudi arabia (stoning ...head off, hanging)
or what they do in china, iran...

or someone gets caught with drugs in thailand , and deathpenalty, im against that

but in this case, deathpenalty, go to hell, bastards
or if u rape a 5 year old girl
i even support death by stoning

sounds hard, but its not

u killed my kid?
u will die, and if its the last thing i have to take care n my life

putting him to prison for a lifetime is not an option in this case

but this is me, you dont have to agree

but let me tell you, 90 percent will support my saying, than what ure trying to say, ( in this case)

if u are a father of a little girl, u have a responsibility
u have to go to work and make sure they get everything they need,

that guy couldnt do that, but he could go and kill people,
sick brain

i want change my point

[AslanTheKing]

What would it accomplish then? You clearly have some compassion for the teen, given that you describe him as "brainwashed" into doing this.

he came from a country to the united states of america,
he married an american woman, and has a daughter with her,
he had the chance to start a new life in USA

maybe a hard one, but at least a good life

he didnt care of his chance

deathpenalty in this case will accomplish that the hurt people or the familys of the dead victims
get justice

[Symmetry]

he married an american woman, and has a daughter with her

Have you been talking about the wrong brother this whole time?

[2dimes]

If not the death penalty, then what kind of punishment do you envision for this guy?

A very stern lecture possibly while wagging a finger.

"Don't blow up people ever again. It's very bad. Ok?"

[b.k. barunt]

How about a time out? Even better, make him write a buncha times on the blackboard "I will not bomb people anymore". Yeah. That'll work.


Honibaz

[BigBallinStalin]

If not the death penalty, then what kind of punishment do you envision for this guy?

Life.

How do you think the other inmates will treat him? Is death a more humane punishment than frequent rape?

[BigBallinStalin]

If not the death penalty, then what kind of punishment do you envision for this guy?

A very stern lecture possibly while wagging a finger.

"Don't blow up people ever again. It's very bad. Ok?"

How about a time out? Even better, make him write a buncha times on the blackboard "I will not bomb people anymore". Yeah. That'll work.


Honibaz

Y'all got my vote!

[Haggis_McMutton]

Haven't read the whole thread, but this discussion usually boils down to what people think the purpose of imprisonment is.

If the purpose is "justice", then shouldn't we try to somehow inflict the same amount of pain on the guy as he inflicted on others? This would probably involve torture, maybe performed by the family of the victims (if they're up for it)

If the purpose is "deterrence", then shouldn't we torture him, preferably on live TV? No reason to "measure pain" on this one, just go nuts, with modern technology and medicine I'm sure we could have the guy in agonizing pain for days, maybe weeks.

If the purpose is "rehabilitation", well clearly neither life in solitary nor death are gonna rehabilitate him too much. Most he could get and still "contribute to society" would be some kind of life term in a medium security prison where he might be able to work or something.

If the purpose is "removing the danger he poses to society", then it seems the rehabilitation option would also do this.

Which am I missing? What is the purpose of imprisonment in your view that would justify him being killed or put in solitary for the rest of his life but not him being tortured to death? (if you do endorse him being tortured to death, then that's cool, I can at least understand the reasoning though I disagree with it)

Oh, and for reference, life in solitary may well be worse than death. Here's an interesting article

[Metsfanmax]

As with so often, Jon Stewart hits the nail on the head with the conservative pundit response to this:

[b.k. barunt]

As with so often, Jon Stewart hits the nail on the head with the conservative pundit response to this:

That's the best commentary that i've seen yet on the rape of our Constitution.


Honibaz

[Phatscotty]

I don't think you can gain anything from clips like these that are heavily edited, chopping people's statements in half, brushing over all the conversation and debate, and only using shocking soundbytes edited together with other bits of soundbytes

I think this is on of the biggest problem in our media....mockery of their own misrepresentation. Hell of a formula

here is some actual discussion, with context.

[2dimes]

Your constitution wanted it. They all want it!

[Phatscotty]

[Woodruff]

I don't think you can gain anything from clips like these that are heavily edited, chopping people's statements in half, brushing over all the conversation and debate, and only using shocking soundbytes edited together with other bits of soundbytes

I think this is on of the biggest problem in our media....mockery of their own misrepresentation. Hell of a formula

Except that in almost every case, that IS NOT misrepresentation. That's the frightening thing. But like FOX NEWS, you don't really give a shit about the Constitution unless it supports the things that you want it to support.

[Phatscotty]

I don't think you can gain anything from clips like these that are heavily edited, chopping people's statements in half, brushing over all the conversation and debate, and only using shocking soundbytes edited together with other bits of soundbytes

I think this is on of the biggest problem in our media....mockery of their own misrepresentation. Hell of a formula

Except that in almost every case, that IS NOT misrepresentation.

Derp?

I am not talking about almost every case, or even any other case. I am talking about this one....

[Phatscotty]

Personally, I hope the bomber got baptized with Freedom

[Metsfanmax]

I don't think you can gain anything from clips like these that are heavily edited, chopping people's statements in half, brushing over all the conversation and debate, and only using shocking soundbytes edited together with other bits of soundbytes

I think this is on of the biggest problem in our media....mockery of their own misrepresentation. Hell of a formula

Except that in almost every case, that IS NOT misrepresentation.

Derp?

I am not talking about almost every case, or even any other case. I am talking about this one....

Were any of those clips a misrepresentation of the views of Coulter, Hannity, etc.?

[Phatscotty]

If that was their view, Stewart would not need to splice together comments. It's not even worth looking at.

Only a comedian, which automatically implies it should not be taken too seriously, can get away with it.

[2dimes]

Personally, I hope the bomber got baptized with Freedom

If that's code talk for "shot in the throat." he sure did.

[Woodruff]

I don't think you can gain anything from clips like these that are heavily edited, chopping people's statements in half, brushing over all the conversation and debate, and only using shocking soundbytes edited together with other bits of soundbytes

I think this is on of the biggest problem in our media....mockery of their own misrepresentation. Hell of a formula

Except that in almost every case, that IS NOT misrepresentation.

Derp?

I am not talking about almost every case, or even any other case. I am talking about this one....

"Derp" is right. I'm talking about "this one" too, you moron...I'm referring to "almost every case" within that video you're trying so hard to excuse away from your Republicentric consciousness.

[Woodruff]

Personally, I hope the bomber got baptized with Freedom

Like you, I also hope that the bomber gets his opportunity to be tried in court.

[Woodruff]

If that was their view, Stewart would not need to splice together comments. It's not even worth looking at.

Do you ever feel like a shill?

Only a comedian, which automatically implies it should not be taken too seriously, can get away with it.

Do you ever feel like a shill?

[b.k. barunt]

I don't think you can gain anything from clips like these that are heavily edited, chopping people's statements in half, brushing over all the conversation and debate, and only using shocking soundbytes edited together with other bits of soundbytes

I think this is on of the biggest problem in our media....mockery of their own misrepresentation. Hell of a formula

here is some actual discussion, with context.

WTF scotty? Your clip was excellent and i liked it, but WTF was wrong with Stewart's clip in your mind? "Heavily edited"? Niggaplease. Every fooking point on that clip was dead on and other than a bit of dramatic effect, nothing was taken out of context. Humor me - which one of our Constitution's basic points which these neonazi wannabes raped was misinterpreted? As an American citizen who's spent more than 48 hrs in jail under the "Patriot Act" please enlighten me so i can once again feel warm and fuzzy for those mouthbreathing ranters who seem to have you so entranced?


Honibaz


Honibaz

[Phatscotty]

well, for the life of me I don't see how you can say Stewart's clip wasn't edited, so I think it would be better if we took them one comment at a time.

I noticed lots of soundbytes cut in mid sentence, a few questions asked that were made to seem like statements, and the thing I saw most was one soundbyte followed by another soundbyte from later in the segment, mashed together. Editing is Stewart's thing. I didn't know anybody disagreed with that.

Sure Stewart makes points sometimes, but he is a comedian in the end.

[Phatscotty]

As with so often, Jon Stewart hits the nail on the head with the conservative pundit response to this:

That's the best commentary that i've seen yet on the rape of our Constitution.


Honibaz

I'm just bringing this one up front so we can go through it. How is the Constitution being raped (asking for your words)

Is it John Stewart by saying rights don't need to be read anymore?