Have you accepted death?

[Army of GOD]

I haven't accepted death nor do I think I ever will.

I'm able to distract myself well enough that I don't think about it too often though.

[2dimes]

Is there any etiquette on how many pages we need of this before I bust out the Jack Chick tracts?

[Ray Rider]

"Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:51-57

"...according to my earnest expectation and hope, that I will not be put to shame in anything, but that with all boldness, Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain." Philippians 1:20, 21

I have been at the deathbeds of various people throughout my life, have spent time with Christians in their dying days, and I know that is the way I want to go when it's my time. I have personally come very close to death before when I broke my neck eight years ago (shattered into seven pieces). Thankfully it has fully healed so I can still enjoy sports and other strenuous activities today. So yes, I have come to terms with death and would be prepared if it were to happen today. I have no enemies, no grudges, have made restitution for any wrongs, and my only regret would be not sharing the saving life of Christ more boldly throughout my life.

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3

[chang50]

One way of viewing death which might put it into perspective for some, is to realise you were dead for billions of years before birth.Also the matter that constitutes your physical form now was present at the big bang and reforms as something else on your demise which is a type of immortality (unless science has it all wrong).

[chang50]

"Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." 1 Corinthians 15:51-57

"...according to my earnest expectation and hope, that I will not be put to shame in anything, but that with all boldness, Christ will even now, as always, be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death. For to me, to live is Christ and to die is gain." Philippians 1:20, 21

I have been at the deathbeds of various people throughout my life, have spent time with Christians in their dying days, and I know that is the way I want to go when it's my time. I have personally come very close to death before when I broke my neck eight years ago (shattered into seven pieces). Thankfully it has fully healed so I can still enjoy sports and other strenuous activities today. So yes, I have come to terms with death and would be prepared if it were to happen today. I have no enemies, no grudges, have made restitution for any wrongs, and my only regret would be not sharing the saving life of Christ more boldly throughout my life.

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3

I suppose it was too much to hope this topic would remain secular for long.In b4 someone berates atheists for introducing theistic belief into every subject..

[nietzsche]

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3

This is kind of cheating. You are not accepting nothingness, you are hoping, believing you will continue to exist.

[2dimes]

Well since Ray finally came in with what some guys were just about begging for I'll chat with chang.

One way of viewing death which might put it into perspective for some, is to realise you were dead for billions of years before birth.Also the matter that constitutes your physical form now was present at the big bang and reforms as something else on your demise which is a type of immortality (unless science has it all wrong).

Does this open the door to the question of what and why we have thoughts at all?

I bet dogs don't think things like, "Dog, I'm wasting my talents here. If I had thumbs everything would be better. I can't even drive a car. Guess I'll lick my penis."

Why can we? Uh, you know. Think. Not lick our penises.

If we just cease to be the worst part will be the few moments as I drift off. If we continue to exist I hope my concepts of God and heaven are right and not some catholic/Islamists. I'm way short when it comes to, "Infidel death quotas."

[nietzsche]

I haven't accepted death nor do I think I ever will.

I'm able to distract myself well enough that I don't think about it too often though.

I'm a magician at distracting myself from those thoughts. Or was.

[2dimes]

I have not been praying to profits, saints and avatars either.

[nietzsche]

Well since Ray finally came in with what some guys were just about begging for I'll chat with chang.

One way of viewing death which might put it into perspective for some, is to realise you were dead for billions of years before birth.Also the matter that constitutes your physical form now was present at the big bang and reforms as something else on your demise which is a type of immortality (unless science has it all wrong).

Does this open the door to the question of what and why we have thoughts at all?

I bet dogs don't think things like, "Dog, I'm wasting my talents here. If I had thumbs everything would be better. I can't even drive a car. Guess I'll lick my penis."

Why can we? Uh, you know. Think. Not lick our penises.

If we just cease to be the worst part will be the few moments as I drift off. If we continue to exist I hope my concepts of God and heaven are right and not some catholic/Islamists. I'm way short when it comes to, "Infidel death quotas."

Well, we can because we have evolved that ability. We can think, and think about thinking. Our thought processes allow us to make choices. Our thoughts are not merely epiphenomenona.

[2dimes]

epiphenomenona.

God bless you.. Er.. Gezuntite.. Sorry, I don't know the Spanish response to your sneeze.

[2dimes]

So why out of all the species does this only occur in us and dolphins?

[muy_thaiguy]

i'm banking on the possibility that technology will advance in my lifetime to the point where we can live indefinitely, and that i'll be able to afford/qualify for the chance to do so. if not, well, shucks

I know there's quote somewhere about not knowing what to do in a single afternoon and immortality and some such.

[chang50]

Well since Ray finally came in with what some guys were just about begging for I'll chat with chang.

One way of viewing death which might put it into perspective for some, is to realise you were dead for billions of years before birth.Also the matter that constitutes your physical form now was present at the big bang and reforms as something else on your demise which is a type of immortality (unless science has it all wrong).

Does this open the door to the question of what and why we have thoughts at all?

I bet dogs don't think things like, "Dog, I'm wasting my talents here. If I had thumbs everything would be better. I can't even drive a car. Guess I'll lick my penis."

Why can we? Uh, you know. Think. Not lick our penises.

If we just cease to be the worst part will be the few moments as I drift off. If we continue to exist I hope my concepts of God and heaven are right and not some catholic/Islamists. I'm way short when it comes to, "Infidel death quotas."

I can't give any adequate explanation of consciousness, human or canine,nobody can to the best of my knowledge.Interesting to note your anthropomorphic approach to a dog's mental processes.I hope that if I drift off as opposed to a sudden end,I do so bravely and do not succumb to a snivelling pathetic deathbed conversion to any religion,what is worrying is I cannot guarantee this in the often extremely trying circumstances immediately prior to death.I'm not even honestly sure why I care,but I know I wan't to die as I have lived..

[chang50]

So why out of all the species does this only occur in us and dolphins?

We don't know that with enough degree of certainty.

[2dimes]

I think the movie "Up" had inaccurate dogs except for Dug. I'll see if there's a YouTube of him.

I hope that if I drift off as opposed to a sudden end,I do so bravely and do not succumb to a snivelling pathetic deathbed conversion to any religion,what is worrying is I cannot guarantee this in the often extremely trying circumstances immediately prior to death.I'm not even honestly sure why I care,but I know I wan't to die as I have lived..

I think that is very interesting. If you're about to cease to exist what possible difference would it make to be brave as opposed to sniveling?

I'd say the sniveling makes infinitely more sense. Soon enough you're either going to cease to be. So sniveling didn't matter or possibly sniviling will save you from something bad.

My personal belief is if you were not truly aweful you'll have some oportunity for sniveling conversion after your body stops.

[2dimes]

[Ray Rider]

I suppose it was too much to hope this topic would remain secular for long.In b4 someone berates atheists for introducing theistic belief into every subject..

lol you expected only athiests/agnostics to delve into a topic on death?

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3

This is kind of cheating. You are not accepting nothingness, you are hoping, believing you will continue to exist.

So cheating is not believing your version of what death entails? Why would I accept nothingness? Are you claiming to know for sure that nothingness lies on the other side of the doorway of death? Or are you merely hoping, believing you will not continue to exist after the shell that we call a body decomposes?

[Ray Rider]

epiphenomenona.

God bless you.. Er.. Gezuntite.. Sorry, I don't know the Spanish response to your sneeze.

lol

[nietzsche]

I suppose it was too much to hope this topic would remain secular for long.In b4 someone berates atheists for introducing theistic belief into every subject..

lol you expected only athiests/agnostics to delve into a topic on death?

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3

This is kind of cheating. You are not accepting nothingness, you are hoping, believing you will continue to exist.

So cheating is not believing your version of what death entails? Why would I accept nothingness? Are you claiming to know for sure that nothingness lies on the other side of the doorway of death? Or are you merely hoping, believing you will not continue to exist after the shell that we call a body decomposes?

You are right to be upset, maybe I used wrong words. I have neither proof nor right to say there's nothing after death. But let's keep that discussion in the many threads for that, not in this one.

It's not that you are cheating but that's not what I intended when I asked if you have accepted you own death. I was going more with the existential meaning of it.

[chang50]

I think the movie "Up" had inaccurate dogs except for Dug. I'll see if there's a YouTube of him.

I hope that if I drift off as opposed to a sudden end,I do so bravely and do not succumb to a snivelling pathetic deathbed conversion to any religion,what is worrying is I cannot guarantee this in the often extremely trying circumstances immediately prior to death.I'm not even honestly sure why I care,but I know I wan't to die as I have lived..

I think that is very interesting. If you're about to cease to exist what possible difference would it make to be brave as opposed to sniveling?

I'd say the sniveling makes infinitely more sense. Soon enough you're either going to cease to be. So sniveling didn't matter or possibly sniviling will save you from something bad.

My personal belief is if you were not truly aweful you'll have some oportunity for sniveling conversion after your body stops.

I am very aware of the paradox inherent in a naturalist caring about what happens after death,perhaps you can recommend a good,but cheap therapist?Perhaps it never occurred to you,but not everyone desires what belief in theism potentially offers at death so it actually makes more sense for them to not convert.This is the counter atheists wager to Pascal's wager,but is in itself not a good reason for atheism.The only good reason IMHO is the lack of evidence for theism,we should want as much as possible for our beliefs to be backed up by solid concrete evidence.

[nietzsche]

epiphenomenona.

God bless you.. Er.. Gezuntite.. Sorry, I don't know the Spanish response to your sneeze.

An epiphenomenon (plural - epiphenomena) is a secondary phenomenon that occurs alongside or in parallel to a primary phenomenon.

Epiphenomenon is the term used in philosophy books when discussed if consciousness has a function or not. Sorry if the word is not common in English, I had no way to know and was the only word I knew for it, didn't mean to be a snob.

[2dimes]

Primary pneumonia? You better get to a hospital STAT!

[chang50]

I suppose it was too much to hope this topic would remain secular for long.In b4 someone berates atheists for introducing theistic belief into every subject..

lol you expected only athiests/agnostics to delve into a topic on death?

"This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent." John 17:3

This is kind of cheating. You are not accepting nothingness, you are hoping, believing you will continue to exist.

So cheating is not believing your version of what death entails? Why would I accept nothingness? Are you claiming to know for sure that nothingness lies on the other side of the doorway of death? Or are you merely hoping, believing you will not continue to exist after the shell that we call a body decomposes?

I deliberately used the word 'hoped' not 'expected'.I just wanted it noted it is usually theists who introduce their theism into threads,as atheists are often criticised for introducing their atheism first..

[2dimes]

perhaps you can recommend a good,but cheap therapist?

Sorry, if you want Saxi (and in my opinion you do) it won't come cheap.