Media acknowledges the third party candidates

[Phatscotty]

Did trolling become legal since I have been away? hahaha

[GreecePwns]

One thing I can promise you is that you will NEVER catch me calling someone names or trying to bully someones vote for the decisions they make.

At least I am not a Facsist

[Phatscotty]

One thing I can promise you is that you will NEVER catch me calling someone names or trying to bully someones vote for the decisions they make.

At least I am not a Facsist

wow, you got me makign a statement about myself. wtg

troll harder

[BigBallinStalin]

listen people, it's very simple, so I will explain it like I am talking to 4 year olds:

I support crony capitalism because I enjoy the red-wrapped elephant toy. I hate the blue-wrapped donkey toy.

With my elephant toy, the country will be on the right path because elephants are better than donkeys because they are better. And I don't care that both are self-serving political animals.

FTFY

[GreecePwns]

One thing I can promise you is that you will NEVER catch me calling someone names or trying to bully someones vote for the decisions they make.

At least I am not a Facsist

wow, you got me makign a statement about myself. wtg

troll harder

troll harder

[BigBallinStalin]

PS, I'm not trolling because I don't have bad intentions here, and you fit the FTFY-rendering very well.

It's up to you to realize the mistakes you'll continue to perpetuate, and accusing others of trolling won't get you any closer to the ugly truth.

Therefore, deal with it.... or 'don't get tread on'.

[Phatscotty]

You want to talk turkey? correct me in my ways? show me my errors? go for it. Let's have the discussion.

Why all the beating around the bush

[Woodruff]

This is even worse than Democrat's who eat their own when they step out of line on a single issue from the party line....

GreekDog, Why do you want Obama for 4 more years?

You want the truth, but you can't handle the truth. but seeing that you go into a tizzy if someone doesn't vote the way you think they should......

f*ck YES I AM VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY! anyone who doesn't is giving Obama 4 more years.

Weren't you the one whining about people voting out of fear? It sounds to me like you're voting out of fear, Phatscotty. Vote your conscience instead of your fear.

It's really sad that you'd rather vote for something you don't want just so you can claim that you won rather than voting for what you really want even though it's not likely to win (but you can significantly help their cause). It really is sad.

[saxitoxin]

If Obama wins, Obama wins. The GOP won't change. If Romney wins, Romney wins. The GOP won't change.

But if Obama wins by such a margin that it can be shown Gary Johnson cost the GOP the election, Republicans will either be forced to adopt a populist (i.e. Ronulan) ideology or they can try to sue the Libertarian Party out of existence. Thanks to a dozen court precedents Nader established, that won't be an option.

This all applies to the Democrats and Stein/Anderson as well.

Anyone under the age of 50 doesn't have an excuse not to be playing the long game. The IDRP and military-industrial complex are counting on most people being content getting a few points on the board before the halftime show. Spolier isn't a four letter word.

[Phatscotty]

PS, I'm not trolling because I don't have bad intentions here, and you fit the FTFY-rendering very well.

It's up to you to realize the mistakes you'll continue to perpetuate, and accusing others of trolling won't get you any closer to the ugly truth.

Therefore, deal with it.... or 'don't get tread on'.

given that it's a fact the next president is going to be either Romney or Obama, which one best represents your views?

Is it Obama?

[BigBallinStalin]

You want to talk turkey? correct me in my ways? show me my errors? go for it. Let's have the discussion.

Why all the beating around the bush

lolwut

Don't dodge questions like TGD's; otherwise, I'll call it like I see it.

[Ray Rider]

Hey guys, it's only slightly humorous to see you two talking about getting into a discussion but never actually doing so...could ya turn it up a bit so it'll actually be worth reading your posts? I'm not getting my money's worth out of it!!

[BigBallinStalin]

Hey guys, it's only slightly humorous to see you two talking about getting into a discussion but never actually doing so...could ya turn it up a bit so it'll actually be worth reading your posts? I'm not getting my money's worth out of it!!

Discussions are for wimps.

[thegreekdog]

This is even worse than Democrat's who eat their own when they step out of line on a single issue from the party line....

GreekDog, Why do you want Obama for 4 more years?

You want the truth, but you can't handle the truth. but seeing that you go into a tizzy if someone doesn't vote the way you think they should......

f*ck YES I AM VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY! anyone who doesn't is giving Obama 4 more years.

I don't want Obama for four more years. I also don't see any vast difference between Obama and Romney and no one has been able to prove that there are five distinct items upon which both presidential candidates differ.*

Furthermore, as I've stated elsewhere, my vote for Gary Johnson will not cause Obama to win reelection. Similarly, your vote for Romney will not cause Romney to win the election. You and I have virtually no sway over who will win the presidential election. Neither of us is in a battleground state and even if one of us was in a battleground state, one vote has never swayed a presidential election.

So your conclusion that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama is simply more proof that you're a Republican Kool Aid drinker who doesn't have the wherewithal to think for himself. It's disappointing because you make good points sometimes and your rhetoric is very strong, but you seem to go all weak in the knees when it comes to manning up and voting the way you should. It's not that I'm angry at you, I'm just really disappointed. For all your great belief in freedom and the Constitution, you apparently don't have any interest in having a president who also believes in those things for some media-created, Repocrat-created scare tactic that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote. If you want to vote for Romney, at least be able to articulate the great differences between Mitt and Barack. You know why I don't lambast Night Strike for voting Romney? Because even though I disagree with Night Strike, his rhetoric is Republican rhetoric. Your rhetoric is libertarian or constitutionalist rhetoric; you should be voting for Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. And that's why I'm disappointed.

[Woodruff]

This is even worse than Democrat's who eat their own when they step out of line on a single issue from the party line....

GreekDog, Why do you want Obama for 4 more years?

You want the truth, but you can't handle the truth. but seeing that you go into a tizzy if someone doesn't vote the way you think they should......

f*ck YES I AM VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY! anyone who doesn't is giving Obama 4 more years.

I don't want Obama for four more years. I also don't see any vast difference between Obama and Romney and no one has been able to prove that there are five distinct items upon which both presidential candidates differ.*

Furthermore, as I've stated elsewhere, my vote for Gary Johnson will not cause Obama to win reelection. Similarly, your vote for Romney will not cause Romney to win the election. You and I have virtually no sway over who will win the presidential election. Neither of us is in a battleground state and even if one of us was in a battleground state, one vote has never swayed a presidential election.

So your conclusion that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama is simply more proof that you're a Republican Kool Aid drinker who doesn't have the wherewithal to think for himself. It's disappointing because you make good points sometimes and your rhetoric is very strong, but you seem to go all weak in the knees when it comes to manning up and voting the way you should. It's not that I'm angry at you, I'm just really disappointed. For all your great belief in freedom and the Constitution, you apparently don't have any interest in having a president who also believes in those things for some media-created, Repocrat-created scare tactic that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote. If you want to vote for Romney, at least be able to articulate the great differences between Mitt and Barack. You know why I don't lambast Night Strike for voting Romney? Because even though I disagree with Night Strike, his rhetoric is Republican rhetoric. Your rhetoric is libertarian or constitutionalist rhetoric; you should be voting for Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. And that's why I'm disappointed.

Truthfully, Night Strike should probably be voting for Virgil Goode, based on his stated positions. But you're right insofar as the fact that Night Strike hasn't declared himself a libertarian while voting for someone else.

[Phatscotty]

This is even worse than Democrat's who eat their own when they step out of line on a single issue from the party line....

GreekDog, Why do you want Obama for 4 more years?

You want the truth, but you can't handle the truth. but seeing that you go into a tizzy if someone doesn't vote the way you think they should......

f*ck YES I AM VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY! anyone who doesn't is giving Obama 4 more years.

I don't want Obama for four more years. I also don't see any vast difference between Obama and Romney and no one has been able to prove that there are five distinct items upon which both presidential candidates differ.*

Furthermore, as I've stated elsewhere, my vote for Gary Johnson will not cause Obama to win reelection. Similarly, your vote for Romney will not cause Romney to win the election. You and I have virtually no sway over who will win the presidential election. Neither of us is in a battleground state and even if one of us was in a battleground state, one vote has never swayed a presidential election.

So your conclusion that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama is simply more proof that you're a Republican Kool Aid drinker who doesn't have the wherewithal to think for himself. It's disappointing because you make good points sometimes and your rhetoric is very strong, but you seem to go all weak in the knees when it comes to manning up and voting the way you should. It's not that I'm angry at you, I'm just really disappointed. Fr all your great belief in freedom and the Constitution, you apparently don't have any interest in having a president who also believes in those things for some media-created, Repocrat-created scare tactic that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote. If you want to vote for Romney, at least be able to articulate the great differences between Mitt and Barack. You know why I don't lambast Night Strike for voting Romney? Because even though I disagree with Night Strike, his rhetoric is Republican rhetoric. Your rhetoric is libertarian or constitutionlist rhetoric; you should be voting for Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. And that's why I'm disappointed.

Vote for whoever you want, I can respect that and easily understand why. I have voted third party all my life, and I have actually been a part of the extremely few instances where a third party actually won or made a difference, so I won't be taking any lectures about voting my conscious or my rhetoric. I have been the one in the past making the same arguments that you are making. People telling me I was wasting my vote drove me friggin MADD. We just have a conflict of interest, but that does not mean someone is paying me or that woodruff is right or that ripping me a new one has an impact on me, although after reading your post I do understand better what is bothering you

This time, my conscious says Obama has to go, and I am going to vote against him? Btw minnesota is a swing state...

[thegreekdog]

This is even worse than Democrat's who eat their own when they step out of line on a single issue from the party line....

GreekDog, Why do you want Obama for 4 more years?

You want the truth, but you can't handle the truth. but seeing that you go into a tizzy if someone doesn't vote the way you think they should......

f*ck YES I AM VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY! anyone who doesn't is giving Obama 4 more years.

I don't want Obama for four more years. I also don't see any vast difference between Obama and Romney and no one has been able to prove that there are five distinct items upon which both presidential candidates differ.*

Furthermore, as I've stated elsewhere, my vote for Gary Johnson will not cause Obama to win reelection. Similarly, your vote for Romney will not cause Romney to win the election. You and I have virtually no sway over who will win the presidential election. Neither of us is in a battleground state and even if one of us was in a battleground state, one vote has never swayed a presidential election.

So your conclusion that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama is simply more proof that you're a Republican Kool Aid drinker who doesn't have the wherewithal to think for himself. It's disappointing because you make good points sometimes and your rhetoric is very strong, but you seem to go all weak in the knees when it comes to manning up and voting the way you should. It's not that I'm angry at you, I'm just really disappointed. Fr all your great belief in freedom and the Constitution, you apparently don't have any interest in having a president who also believes in those things for some media-created, Repocrat-created scare tactic that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote. If you want to vote for Romney, at least be able to articulate the great differences between Mitt and Barack. You know why I don't lambast Night Strike for voting Romney? Because even though I disagree with Night Strike, his rhetoric is Republican rhetoric. Your rhetoric is libertarian or constitutionlist rhetoric; you should be voting for Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. And that's why I'm disappointed.

Vote for whoever you want, I can respect that and easily understand why. I have voted third party all my life, and I have actually been a part of the extremely few instances where a third party actually won or made a difference, so I won't be taking any lectures about voting my conscious or my rhetoric. I have been the one in the past making the same arguments that you are making. People telling me I was wasting my vote drove me friggin MADD. We just have a conflict of interest, but that does not mean someone is paying me or that woodruff is right or that ripping me a new one has an impact on me, although after reading your post I do understand better what is bothering you

This time, my conscious says Obama has to go, and I am going to vote against him? Btw minnesota is a swing state...

I understand the reasons why you are voting for Romney, I just cannot respect those reasons as indicated above. Your vote will not make a difference to whether Obama loses in Minnesota or not so a vote for a candidate whose platform you most agree with is the best course of action. Let's boil it down:

Reason to vote for Romney: So Obama doesn't win Minnesota by one vote.
Reason to vote for Johnson/Goode: Their platforms are the most like mine.

Since no presidential candidate will ever win or lose a state by one vote, your reason for voting Romney is not a valid one. It's not about your opinion, it's about the fact that no candidate has ever won or lost a state by one vote.

All that being said, if your "platform" was most like Romney's, then I could understand voting for Romney. But from everything I've read, your platform is not like Romney's and your interest is merely in getting Obama out of office. Which you will not do by voting. At all. Your vote will NOT affect this election if you vote for Romney (or Obama). Your vote could affect future elections if you vote for a third party candidate. And you can feel better about yourself that you didn't vote for someone you didn't believe in for the false idea that your vote mattered to Romney. Romney and Obama aren't scared of Goode or Stein or Johnson because they think they are going to win the presidency; they are scared of those candidates because the more traction a third party candidate gets, the more traction that third party gets in future elections.

[Woodruff]

This is even worse than Democrat's who eat their own when they step out of line on a single issue from the party line....

GreekDog, Why do you want Obama for 4 more years?

You want the truth, but you can't handle the truth. but seeing that you go into a tizzy if someone doesn't vote the way you think they should......

f*ck YES I AM VOTING FOR MITT ROMNEY! anyone who doesn't is giving Obama 4 more years.

I don't want Obama for four more years. I also don't see any vast difference between Obama and Romney and no one has been able to prove that there are five distinct items upon which both presidential candidates differ.*

Furthermore, as I've stated elsewhere, my vote for Gary Johnson will not cause Obama to win reelection. Similarly, your vote for Romney will not cause Romney to win the election. You and I have virtually no sway over who will win the presidential election. Neither of us is in a battleground state and even if one of us was in a battleground state, one vote has never swayed a presidential election.

So your conclusion that a vote for Johnson is a vote for Obama is simply more proof that you're a Republican Kool Aid drinker who doesn't have the wherewithal to think for himself. It's disappointing because you make good points sometimes and your rhetoric is very strong, but you seem to go all weak in the knees when it comes to manning up and voting the way you should. It's not that I'm angry at you, I'm just really disappointed. Fr all your great belief in freedom and the Constitution, you apparently don't have any interest in having a president who also believes in those things for some media-created, Repocrat-created scare tactic that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote. If you want to vote for Romney, at least be able to articulate the great differences between Mitt and Barack. You know why I don't lambast Night Strike for voting Romney? Because even though I disagree with Night Strike, his rhetoric is Republican rhetoric. Your rhetoric is libertarian or constitutionlist rhetoric; you should be voting for Gary Johnson or Virgil Goode. And that's why I'm disappointed.

Vote for whoever you want, I can respect that and easily understand why. I have voted third party all my life, and I have actually been a part of the extremely few instances where a third party actually won or made a difference, so I won't be taking any lectures about voting my conscious or my rhetoric. I have been the one in the past making the same arguments that you are making. People telling me I was wasting my vote drove me friggin MADD. We just have a conflict of interest, but that does not mean someone is paying me or that woodruff is right or that ripping me a new one has an impact on me, although after reading your post I do understand better what is bothering you

This time, my conscious says Obama has to go, and I am going to vote against him? Btw minnesota is a swing state...

I understand the reasons why you are voting for Romney, I just cannot respect those reasons as indicated above. Your vote will not make a difference to whether Obama loses in Minnesota or not so a vote for a candidate whose platform you most agree with is the best course of action. Let's boil it down:

Reason to vote for Romney: So Obama doesn't win Minnesota by one vote.
Reason to vote for Johnson/Goode: Their platforms are the most like mine.

Since no presidential candidate will ever win or lose a state by one vote, your reason for voting Romney is not a valid one. It's not about your opinion, it's about the fact that no candidate has ever won or lost a state by one vote.

All that being said, if your "platform" was most like Romney's, then I could understand voting for Romney. But from everything I've read, your platform is not like Romney's and your interest is merely in getting Obama out of office. Which you will not do by voting. At all. Your vote will NOT affect this election if you vote for Romney (or Obama). Your vote could affect future elections if you vote for a third party candidate. And you can feel better about yourself that you didn't vote for someone you didn't believe in for the false idea that your vote mattered to Romney. Romney and Obama aren't scared of Goode or Stein or Johnson because they think they are going to win the presidency; they are scared of those candidates because the more traction a third party candidate gets, the more traction that third party gets in future elections.

And finally, in this election, there is the possibility of real traction. There are expected to be as many non-voters (mostly of the student variety) as those who will vote for Romney and Obama combined. If we could get those non-voters into action AND get some of the "vote out of fear" voters to wake up, a very real difference could be made.