Christianity over-ruled for gay rights in Europe

[notyou2]

If you refuse to do your job, you get fired.

Counseling a couple, no matter there sexual orientation, is still counseling. If you refuse, then you are refusing to do your job, and you get fired.

What's so difficult to understand?

[kentington]

If you refuse to do your job, you get fired.

Counseling a couple, no matter there sexual orientation, is still counseling. If you refuse, then you are refusing to do your job, and you get fired.

What's so difficult to understand?

I agree with this. If you are a Christian, or other religion, and a counselor, then you should work for a religious counseling company. This would ensure that your views match your employers. I would suggest this for a lot of jobs, not in regards to religion but having a like mind set with the employer if possible.

Second, I can't imagine being a Christian and being a sex counselor. That just seems weird to me.

notyou2 and BBS and Symmetry have eluded or outright stated that if you don't or can't do your job then see ya.
I agree with this.
I got called in to a customer's facility to quote on a job. The job was to create a "taco turner." I tried not to laugh because money is money.
1)An employee would load a machine with taco shells
2)The machine would seal the shells
3)The shells would go down a conveyor
4)Another employee was turning taco shells
5)The shells continue down another conveyor
6)The shells enter a machine that boxes the shells

These shells must be oriented in the way that Employee 2 turns them, so that they slide nicely into the box.

My first statement was, "Tell the guy in the beginning to load the taco shells the other way."
They said that they had tried telling him to do this but because he had been doing his job for 10 or 30 or whatever years that they can't expect him to change now. My next thought is get a different guy. Well, I took the job and charged them a lot of money for a taco turner. (I didn't rip them off it just cost a lot)

My point being that keeping an employee who cannot adapt to fulfill the same duties in another manner is costly. First they paid for another employee to stand around for a couple of years fixing this mistake. Then they hired an outside source to fix it permanently. There should have been no extra cost for the employer.

[notyou2]

You are obviously a mechanical engineer working in Mexico.

[2dimes]

Now we're talking, tacos!

[jonesthecurl]

If you'd been a christian, you'd have told the employer to turn the other taco.

[2dimes]

I want to make butter chicken. Couldn't find the thread where you told us how to cook Indian style food.

[jonesthecurl]

I think I posted about this a few times. Don't believe I ever talked about butter chicken, though I could if you like.

Here's Raan.

jonesthecurl wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:

jonesthecurl wrote:OK - I'm going to tell you how to cook a Raan, quite a posh dish.
I'm not gonna do it all at once, because people don't read long posts and 'cos i don't have time.

There are no difficult techniques in this one, but it does take a long while.

So first a word about spices. I'm gonna suggest that you grind your own which tastes better. If you don't want to or if you can only get ground ones, there's a small extra stage - mix the ground spices together, make them into a paste with a little oil, and gently fry them for 20-3- seconds. This releases the flavours - commercial spices are not useually roasted before grinding.

Secondly a word about the meat. The best meat for this is a leg of mutton, not lamb - it takes to long cooking better. but in the UK there were few enough places where I could buy mutton, and in the US I've found none so far, so lamb will probably have to do. You can substitute beef (any cut that you would roast then slice - nomenclature changes vbetween countries). Or rabbit, though we'd have to reduce the cooking time for that. You can also use turkey, though the technique would be a little different.

I'll be assuming a leg of lamb as I write.



OK, that's a couple of preliminaries, installment 2 later when I get a little time.



OK - the fresh spice:
Get two tablespoons of coriander seeds and 1 of sesame, 4 green cardamoms, and a pinch of fennel seeds.
Shove 'em in a wok or a heavy saucepan, and put over a low heat with no oil or anything. swirls 'em around the pan until they smell good. Don't burn 'em.
Now grind 'em (in a food processor, or with a pestle and mortar or in a proper spice grinder (mine cost about $20 - some people use a coffee grinder, but it's gotta be a dedicated one).

If you can only get pre-ground spice, use the oil trick as above. You'll need less unless your spices are more than 6 months old.

This mix is now going to be added to two cups of plain yoghurt, with a dash of sesame oil, the juice and zest of a fresh lime, 4 chopped garlic cloves, 3 fresh small green chilies, a chopped onion, a handful of ground almond, and a pinch of salt (prefereably sea salt).

Dump all that lot into a blender and turn it on until its all mixed up. It shouldn't be too thick - you should be able to pour it. If it's too thick add more yoghurt of some milk, a bit at a time. Add some fresh-chopped coriander leaf (cilantro), about a half a cup. Or about a tablespoon of dried. Stir it in.

Now stick it in the fridge to let the flavours blend together and turn to the leg of lamb.

Episode 3 later.



Episode 3.
Take the lamb.
I'm assuming the thigh, and I insist on bone-in.
Remove the skin if necessary and trim any visible fat layer. Now, with a skewer or a fork, stab the leg thoroughly and deeply repeatedy, so the marinade can get in there and, um, marinate.

spread the yoghurty mix over the joint. Wrap in aluminium foil and return to the fridge for 2-3 days. (most restaurants that make this dish require 24 hours notice. IN my opinion this is not long enough.)

We are almost there. Now go and buy about four ounces of shelled almonds (raw).

Last installment tomorrow.



Now we cook the meat. Incidentally, I don't seem to have mentioned that the leg joint should be weighing 3 or 4 pounds.
We cook it long and slow.
I guess the ideal place to cook it would be in a Tandor - but I've never had one.
One of those outdoor clay ovens like you see in the Mediterranean or Mexico would probably be good (I never used one of those either), or for a real USA twist, a barbecue pit.

But assuming you're using a conventional oven, you want it on a low setting (about 325 F or 175 C). Cook for 3 hours, then open the foil and and cook at the lowest possible setting for another 40 minutes.

During this last bit, take the almonds and toss them in a bag with a teaspoon of chili powder, a teaspoon of paprika, and a teaspoon of icing/confectioners sugar. Dry-fry them for about two minutes on a low heat.

Spoon all the sauce over the leg (you may need to stir it up a little to get all the juices incorporated).
Sprinkle the almonds over the top, garnish with a sprig of coriender leaf/cilantro, and serve. You shoudn't need to carve - stick a fork in it and the meat will literally fall off the bone.

[2dimes]

Yeah I'm thinking I want to make some butter chicken. The only problem being it's best with. fresh baked Na'an which so far has not been successful.

[jonesthecurl]

Yes, but don't be fooled into buying supermarket naan.
I think we should start a new thread on this - but first, do you like plain naan best or some other type?
I love garlic naan - but then I just love garlic. I think I could live on garlic, tomato, and cider. I might not be too popular, but I'd be happy...

You want to know how to make naan? I'll try to find time to post. I'm a busy guy, but anything which helps to get people eating properly is worth spending my time on.

[2dimes]

I thought there was one. Although it might not have had tacos in it.

[Symmetry]

Yes, but don't be fooled into buying supermarket naan.
I think we should start a new thread on this - but first, do you like plain naan best or some other type?
I love garlic naan - but then I just love garlic. I think I could live on garlic, tomato, and cider. I might not be too popular, but I'd be happy...

You want to know how to make naan? I'll try to find time to post. I'm a busy guy, but anything which helps to get people eating properly is worth spending my time on.

Naan is mostly for people who don't like rice, or any of the other types of bread. Liking it or disliking it is kind of a redundant subject. May as well dislike white loaf from tesco.

I have, of course, taken time to discuss this.

Poshly too,

[2dimes]

Ah, here it is. viewtopic.php?f=8&t=88703

[stoicbird]

Keema naan is nice. Indian food is quite boring, chinese is by far the best take away food.

[PLAYER57832]

Christians who refuse to carry out the orders of their employer on religious grounds will be sacked and have no right to appeal. The EU has made the ruling today.

A relationship counsellor and a registrar both refused to deal with gay couples due to their beliefs and were sacked but were hoping for the EU to stand up for christianity. Both of these people were of african origin where christianity hasn't evolved like it has in Europe ( evolved maybe the wrong word, disappeared describes christianity better imo).

I have never been to church for a service but I feel like this is another nail in the coffin of christianity. How can a christians rights be any less important to that of another?

UH.. they are also required to post registries of Hindu and Buddhist births, even (gasp) those of atheists.

Religious freedom means just that.. freedom for the individual, not the right of a few to dictate their views onto others. If these people seriously feel that registering the births of homosexual couple's children is against their religion.... then I would say they are misinterpreting Christianity. They might try joining the Mennonites....

[PLAYER57832]

hmm... on second post, looks like I interrupted a good discussion of food. Not sure how Christianity over-ruled became a discussion of Naan...

[jonesthecurl]

We were breaking bread with the sinners and republicans.

[kentington]

We were breaking bread with the sinners and republicans.

Fixed it for you jonesy.

[Symmetry]

Keema naan is nice. Indian food is quite boring, chinese is by far the best take away food.

Keema naan is indeed nice, as is a sandwich. I'm kind of baffled by the assertion that Indian food is boring, have you tried it beyond the bread?

[stoicbird]

Keema naan is nice. Indian food is quite boring, chinese is by far the best take away food.

Keema naan is indeed nice, as is a sandwich. I'm kind of baffled by the assertion that Indian food is boring, have you tried it beyond the bread?

Most indian dishes are gravy, meat, rice with virtually the same spices used. Chinese cuisine uses lots of different vegetables, noodles, sauces and rice. Much more about flavour than simply heat. Just my opinion though.

[comic boy]

Keema naan is nice. Indian food is quite boring, chinese is by far the best take away food.

Keema naan is indeed nice, as is a sandwich. I'm kind of baffled by the assertion that Indian food is boring, have you tried it beyond the bread?

Most indian dishes are gravy, meat, rice with virtually the same spices used. Chinese cuisine uses lots of different vegetables, noodles, sauces and rice. Much more about flavour than simply heat. Just my opinion though.

That explains why there are so few vegetarians in India

[kentington]

Keema naan is nice. Indian food is quite boring, chinese is by far the best take away food.

Keema naan is indeed nice, as is a sandwich. I'm kind of baffled by the assertion that Indian food is boring, have you tried it beyond the bread?

Most indian dishes are gravy, meat, rice with virtually the same spices used. Chinese cuisine uses lots of different vegetables, noodles, sauces and rice. Much more about flavour than simply heat. Just my opinion though.

That explains why there are so few vegetarians in India

I loled. Seriously, there are very few Indian restaurants around me that serve meat. One of them that I know of serve goat.

[jonesthecurl]

Mmm goat curry.

[2dimes]

First time I found out about Curried Goat was from some Jamaican guys I worked with.

I allways think of it as a Jamaican dish with roti or parathas, and a side of rice and peas.

[jonesthecurl]

Jamaican oat curry seems to always be nothing but bones.

Actually, a proper mature goat (not the kid goats that most people seem to cook) would make a great Raan.

[2dimes]

They say that's where all the flavour is. I know what you mean though, I enjoy it but more meat would be bonus.