Conquer Club

First Slave Owner in Colonial US

\\OFF-TOPIC// conversations about everything that has nothing to do with Conquer Club.

Moderator: Community Team

Forum rules
Please read the Community Guidelines before posting.

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby greenoaks on Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:18 pm

i enjoyed the history lesson. will there be more?
User avatar
Sergeant greenoaks
 
Posts: 9977
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:47 am

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Lootifer on Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:29 pm

Night Strike wrote:
Nola_Lifer wrote:Seems history shows that Night Strike is still racist as all hell.


In what way?

The fact that you feel you need to isolate this one rather insignificant fact out of all the historical inaccuracies speaks volumes on where your priorities lie.
I go to the gym to justify my mockery of fat people.
User avatar
Lieutenant Lootifer
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:30 pm
Location: Competing

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Lootifer on Sat Jun 29, 2013 7:36 pm

Also I really like how indentured servants are not slaves...

lolwut
I go to the gym to justify my mockery of fat people.
User avatar
Lieutenant Lootifer
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:30 pm
Location: Competing

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby notyou2 on Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:37 am

Lootifer wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Nola_Lifer wrote:Seems history shows that Night Strike is still racist as all hell.


In what way?

The fact that you feel you need to isolate this one rather insignificant fact out of all the historical inaccuracies speaks volumes on where your priorities lie.



It's not his fault. It's HIS fault. His religion made him this way.
Image
User avatar
Captain notyou2
 
Posts: 6447
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:09 am
Location: In the here and now

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:54 am

notyou2 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Nola_Lifer wrote:Seems history shows that Night Strike is still racist as all hell.


In what way?

The fact that you feel you need to isolate this one rather insignificant fact out of all the historical inaccuracies speaks volumes on where your priorities lie.



It's not his fault. It's HIS fault. His religion made him this way.

No, but his understanding of his religion, perhaps. There is currently no "church of Nightstrike".
Corporal PLAYER57832
 
Posts: 3085
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:17 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jun 30, 2013 7:58 am

Lootifer wrote:Also I really like how indentured servants are not slaves...

lolwut

They were not, because they entered into it "voluntarily" (often to pay for passage here, for example) and because there was always at least the theory of working off the debt and obtaining freedom. Even if the freedom was sometimes more reality than illusion, the fact that it was there did make a difference. Also, there tended to be more limits on how indentured servants could be treated, though just like in slavery (or paid work, for that matter) they were often abused
Corporal PLAYER57832
 
Posts: 3085
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:17 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby pimpdave on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:59 am

The bosses of indentured servants would often find ways to extend the debt, just like modern usurers. Like, say the servant needed room and board once here, well, the boss would supply it, but guess what?
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class pimpdave
 
Posts: 1083
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:15 am
Location: Anti Tea Party Death Squad Task Force Headquarters

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Iliad on Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:18 am

Also the working conditions and life expectancy meant that your chance of actually survivign those 7 years were very low especially given that your masters who were in charge of your well-being had no actual incentives to keep you alive.
User avatar
Private 1st Class Iliad
 
Posts: 10394
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:48 am

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby hotfire on Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:36 am

Iliad wrote:Also the working conditions and life expectancy meant that your chance of actually survivign those 7 years were very low especially given that your masters who were in charge of your well-being had no actual incentives to keep you alive.


and modern farmers have no actual incentives to keep their livestock alive
User avatar
Colonel hotfire
 
Posts: 528
Joined: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:50 pm

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:43 am

It used to be a rough world, eh?

What a mistake it continues to be judging all of history through the rosiest colored lens's possible
User avatar
Major Phatscotty
 
Posts: 3714
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:50 pm

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Iliad on Sun Jun 30, 2013 10:44 am

Phatscotty wrote:It used to be a rough world, eh?

What a mistake it continues to be judging all of history through the rosiest colored lens's possible

What on earth are you trying to imply with this? You're clearly philosophising about something.
User avatar
Private 1st Class Iliad
 
Posts: 10394
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:48 am

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun Jun 30, 2013 11:03 am

Iliad wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:It used to be a rough world, eh?

What a mistake it continues to be judging all of history through the rosiest colored lens's possible

What on earth are you trying to imply with this? You're clearly philosophising about something.

Is he saying that today is equally as tough? I am not sure.


--Andy
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class AndyDufresne
 
Posts: 24935
Joined: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:22 pm
Location: A Banana Palm in Zihuatanejo

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Lootifer on Sun Jun 30, 2013 5:19 pm

Phatscotty wrote:It used to be a rough world, eh?

What a mistake it continues to be judging all of history through the rosiest colored lens's possible

Not trying to nitpick but those two comments dont match up.

Firstly I agree, the world used to be pretty dire, especially prior to the industrial revolution (or more specifically the internal combustion engine and domestic electricity). Living was hard, and people were much tougher as a result.

But your second comment is odd; who are these people judging history with rose tinted glasses?
I go to the gym to justify my mockery of fat people.
User avatar
Lieutenant Lootifer
 
Posts: 1084
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:30 pm
Location: Competing

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:09 pm

Iliad wrote:Also the working conditions and life expectancy meant that your chance of actually survivign those 7 years were very low especially given that your masters who were in charge of your well-being had no actual incentives to keep you alive.

Yes, but the chances of even "free" working folks was generally low, too.

I am not saying their life was wonderful at all, just that it was not true slavery. But, ironically, as bad as their life could be, some folks who were slaves led better lives than free folks and/or indentured servants. In ALL cases, conditions had to do more with the master than the label attached to the worker.
Corporal PLAYER57832
 
Posts: 3085
Joined: Fri Sep 21, 2007 9:17 am
Location: Pennsylvania

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jun 30, 2013 6:38 pm

Lootifer wrote:But your second comment is odd; who are these people judging history with rose tinted glasses?


Anyone who doesn't agree with him.

Drunk Phatscotty was better, even if his spelling was worse.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
User avatar
Corporal 1st Class Woodruff
 
Posts: 5093
Joined: Sat Jan 05, 2008 9:15 am

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby AAFitz on Sun Jun 30, 2013 8:23 pm

Actually, Id like to defend NS here for showing the most non-racist post he has ever posted, in showing that indeed some africans can be just as evil as some of other races, especially the white ones.


=D>
I'm Spanking Monkey now....err...I mean I'm a Spanking Monkey now...that shoots milk
Too much. I know.
Sergeant 1st Class AAFitz
 
Posts: 7270
Joined: Sun Sep 17, 2006 9:47 am
Location: On top of the World 2.1

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby BigBallinStalin on Sun Jun 30, 2013 9:19 pm

AAFitz wrote:Actually, Id like to defend NS here for showing the most non-racist post he has ever posted, in showing that indeed some africans can be just as evil as some of other races, especially the white ones.


=D>


Prejudice.
User avatar
Major BigBallinStalin
 
Posts: 5151
Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:23 pm
Location: crying into the dregs of an empty bottle of own-brand scotch on the toilet having a dump in Dagenham

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Iliad on Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:53 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Actually, Id like to defend NS here for showing the most non-racist post he has ever posted, in showing that indeed some africans can be just as evil as some of other races, especially the white ones.


=D>


Prejudice.

Indeed, the worst prejudice white people can face is sometimes being reminded of the institutional racism that were the foundation blocks for their nations.
User avatar
Private 1st Class Iliad
 
Posts: 10394
Joined: Mon Mar 05, 2007 12:48 am

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby chang50 on Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:20 am

None of the OP is earth-shattering news,in fact a good proportion of the slaves that ended up in the US were bought in West Africa from,shock horror,black people,it was easier than catching them.Native Americans dabbled in slavery as well.It was commonplace until recently in large parts of the world,and hasn't been completely eradicated even now.The implication is that people somehow think only Caucasians have owned slaves,even just in the Colonial US,but why?
User avatar
Captain chang50
 
Posts: 659
Joined: Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:54 am
Location: pattaya,thailand

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Jul 01, 2013 5:30 am

Iliad wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
AAFitz wrote:Actually, Id like to defend NS here for showing the most non-racist post he has ever posted, in showing that indeed some africans can be just as evil as some of other races, especially the white ones.


=D>


Prejudice.

Indeed, the worst prejudice white people can face is sometimes being reminded of the institutional racism that were the foundation blocks for their nations.


Is it bad that I first read this as "foundation blacks for their nations?"
User avatar
Sergeant 1st Class Metsfanmax
 
Posts: 6722
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:01 pm

Re: First Slave Owner in Colonial US

Postby notyou2 on Tue Jul 02, 2013 5:10 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
notyou2 wrote:
Lootifer wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Nola_Lifer wrote:Seems history shows that Night Strike is still racist as all hell.


In what way?

The fact that you feel you need to isolate this one rather insignificant fact out of all the historical inaccuracies speaks volumes on where your priorities lie.



It's not his fault. It's HIS fault. His religion made him this way.

No, but his understanding of his religion, perhaps. There is currently no "church of Nightstrike".


I believe you are misinterpreting what I wrote.

I am trying to say that Nightstrike's religion influenced him in his racism, not that he made his own religion.
Image
User avatar
Captain notyou2
 
Posts: 6447
Joined: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:09 am
Location: In the here and now

Previous

Return to Acceptable Content

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users