Bradley Manning's Sentence

[Phatscotty]

should of been hung for treason,why waste the tax payers money to keep this scum bag in jail

More tax payer money will be wasted as Manning is already suing the Military for hormone treatment to become more like a woman.

[oVo]

Can the Wall Street bankers actions be considered treasonable
for their fraudulent theft of billions of dollars while fleecing
Americans of their savings and turning the World's financial
stability on it's head?

They actually posed a bigger threat than the actions of Ms. Manning
and few --if any-- have been held accountable. No charges have been
filed for the fraudulent actions of CEOs of these firms. Three years
of understaffed government investigation went nowhere, since then
six months was all reporters and financial experts needed to uncover
the truth and deception of the financial giants who were labelled
"Too Big to Fail" and bailed out. Apparently they are also too big to
jail, factor into the equation millions of dollars in political contributions.

Manning's 35 years is the biggest sentence handed down for such an
accusation. How many years should a CEO who's greed liquidated the
financial stability of the world --affecting hundreds of millions of lives
in the process-- receive?

[Phatscotty]

I'd also like to just ask...what exactly did Bradley Manning accomplish?

He exposed an unpunished war crime and details of a system that regularly engages in crimes against humanity, both of which are being committed in our name. The American people deserve to know what their government is up to.

What is it the American people did not know the government was up to, as far as being at war...

Detailings of multiple instances of civilian casualties that were covered up: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/25/afghanistan-civilian-deaths-rules-engagement

Suicide bomb goes off, marines fire indiscriminately on everyone in the vicinity as they retreat, photographer associated with the Associated Press is threatened: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/jul/26/afghanistan-war-logs-us-marines

Military contractors soliciting child prostitutes: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/02/foreign-contractors-hired-dancing-boys

These are a handful of examples. I haven't gone through all of the leaked documents myself, but there's obviously a lot more where that came from.

Edit: Oh, and obviously the Collateral Murder video.

Okay, so, what did that accomplish? We all know war is hell...

[karel]

they could let him put on a skirt and wig and let him get ass raped in prison,it would be good justice for him

[ManBungalow]

btw, you guys need to start referring to Bradley Manning as Chelsae Manning. No more him or he, it's her or she.

Bradlay Manning is a trans-sexual

Yup, please change the thread title to "Chelsea Manning's Sentence" accordingly.

[Phatscotty]

they could let him put on a skirt and wig and let him get ass raped in prison,it would be good justice for him

Just curious: Do you have family that is/has served in the military?

[BigBallinStalin]

He exposed an unpunished war crime and details of a system that regularly engages in crimes against humanity, both of which are being committed in our name. The American people deserve to know what their government is up to.

What is it the American people did not know the government was up to, as far as being at war...

Scott. He provided verification. That is something usually beyond what you require from your analytical approach.

I never needed verification.

That explains a lot.

If you look at the part you deleted, it means one does not need verification for something one already knows.

Don't go Woodruff.

I read the deleted, but it didn't excuse your unwillingness to rely on verification. Anyway can 'know' anything since that would depend on how much they think they know. Verification is very useful and necessary because it can correct one's own bias and other errors. Without verification, you would 'know' without a shadow of a doubt that all conspiracy theories are true.

[Phatscotty]

What is it the American people did not know the government was up to, as far as being at war...

Scott. He provided verification. That is something usually beyond what you require from your analytical approach.

I never needed verification.

That explains a lot.

If you look at the part you deleted, it means one does not need verification for something one already knows.

Don't go Woodruff.

I read the deleted, but it didn't excuse your unwillingness to rely on verification. Anyway can 'know' anything since that would depend on how much they think they know. Verification is very useful and necessary because it can correct one's own bias and other errors. Without verification, you would 'know' without a shadow of a doubt that all conspiracy theories are true.

The original question remains: What did Manning accomplish?

[BigBallinStalin]

I'd rate that dodge a 3/10.

[Phatscotty]

It's a simple question. What is the end result of Bradley Manning's actions?

[Lootifer]

He helped educate the uninformed public.

[Phatscotty]

He helped educate the uninformed public.

and what impact did that have and where? (anyone)

[rishaed]

It's a simple question. What is the end result of Bradley Manning's actions?

*Cough* Circle Logic*Cough* Maybe nothing for you but refer to posts above, I do believe this has already been answered.

[Phatscotty]

It's a simple question. What is the end result of Bradley Manning's actions?

*Cough* Circle Logic*Cough* Maybe nothing for you but refer to posts above, I do believe this has already been answered.

That wasn't a result. Maybe you can reword it better. I didn't ask what Manning did (what you think the answer is), I asked what the results are.

[Lootifer]

He helped educate the uninformed public.

and what impact did that have and where? (anyone)

What kind of effects are you looking for?

Millions of people will now be slightly more informed as to what goes on in conflict situations. How this might manifest itself in "the world" is impossible to know... I dont see why this is relevant though, government transparency can only be a good thing right?

[rishaed]

It's a simple question. What is the end result of Bradley Manning's actions?

*Cough* Circle Logic*Cough* Maybe nothing for you but refer to posts above, I do believe this has already been answered.

That wasn't a result. Maybe you can reword it better. I didn't ask what Manning did (what you think the answer is), I asked what the results are.

The results are very simple:
A. Verification (otherwise known as proof- in which if this is still the USA I do remember you have to have to convict people, governments, or organizations of crimes).
B. A form of Transparency. You know just how many things I hear about the war in Afghanistan/Iraq in the U.S. Currently? Practically nothing. You know how much I heard when in Germany? Much much more (and let me tell you it wasn't of a positive opinion.)
C.Burden- The burden now (theoretically should be, but isn't since we up and convicted our whistleblower), is now on the US, of its actions, and the aftermath. Do i think that what Manning did was completely through the proper channels? I can't say b/c I haven't seen all the documents.
D. International Diplomatic repercussions- After so much bad PR for war crimes and conviction of whistleblower's our International PR is basically going to be shot, which makes diplomacy harder. I'm not saying this is a good thing, its mostly negative, but its gonna look bad if we just don't acknowledge it for a long time, and then it comes out with a whistleblower, ignorance may be pleaded once, maybe twice, but if you have over 3 documents that can be proven, ignorance should be thrown out the window.
E. Withdrawal- Makes Withdrawing troops and such from current countries (where "scandals" are taking place) much harder, as well as the PR with the local citizenry, if you have news that troops are burning the Koran in Afghanistan, most likely you will have signups for Al-Qaeda. Its just that simple.

[karel]

they could let him put on a skirt and wig and let him get ass raped in prison,it would be good justice for him

Just curious: Do you have family that is/has served in the military?

yes and your point is?

treason is treason

[Frigidus]

they could let him put on a skirt and wig and let him get ass raped in prison,it would be good justice for him

Just curious: Do you have family that is/has served in the military?

yes and your point is?

treason is treason

Yeah, treason is treason, and even his accusers didn't charge him with treason. Don't let me stop you from employing your Red Scare level of debate, though.

[AndyDufresne]

they could let him put on a skirt and wig and let him get ass raped in prison,it would be good justice for him

Just curious: Do you have family that is/has served in the military?

yes and your point is?

treason is treason

Yeah, treason is treason, and even his accusers didn't charge him with treason. Don't let me stop you from employing your Red Scare level of debate, though.

--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

[Qwert]

bradley manning--35 years sentence, show people how US kill Civilians in AFghanistan-Iraq

Robert Bales-US Soldier who kill 16 civilians in afghanista( 9 children and 3 woman)- are he deserve higher sentence then bradley maning?

Bales>>im truly sorry<<
Judge>>ok, you free to go<<

Who im i kidding,, maning dont kill afganistan children, so he deserve much higher sentence. Robert bales need to be free, he only protect US from all outside danger.

[AndyDufresne]

Bales and Hasan hopefully will receive longer sentencing.


--Andy

[patches70]

Robert Bales-US Soldier who kill 16 civilians in afghanista( 9 children and 3 woman)- are he deserve higher sentence then bradley maning?

Bales>>im truly sorry<<
Judge>>ok, you free to go<<

Who im i kidding,, maning dont kill afganistan children, so he deserve much higher sentence. Robert bales need to be free, he only protect US from all outside danger.

Bales is not free. He is charged with 17 counts of murder, along with other charges. His trial is upcoming and he's been in prison since March 16, 2012. In no way, shape or form has anyone said "Ok, you are free to go". The only thing for certain is that Bales won't get the death penalty. That's about the only thing that's been determined so far, punishment wise.

[AndyDufresne]

Robert Bales-US Soldier who kill 16 civilians in afghanista( 9 children and 3 woman)- are he deserve higher sentence then bradley maning?

Bales>>im truly sorry<<
Judge>>ok, you free to go<<

Who im i kidding,, maning dont kill afganistan children, so he deserve much higher sentence. Robert bales need to be free, he only protect US from all outside danger.

Bales is not free. He is charged with 17 counts of murder, along with other charges. His trial is upcoming and he's been in prison since March 16, 2012. In no way, shape or form has anyone said "Ok, you are free to go". The only thing for certain is that Bales won't get the death penalty. That's about the only thing that's been determined so far, punishment wise.

Bales just got sentenced to Life without parole. Hasan wants the death penalty to "be a martyr" he said, so I hope he ends up getting Life as well.


--Andy