Governor Cuomo (NY) + Pro-Life Poll

[Phatscotty]

on the basic end of why I care....I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY state tells a group of ANY PEOPLE they have no place in that state, no less a state like New York, and what it represents and how it is relative to the rest of America.

I can only imagine Phatscotty in 1860.

"I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY northern state tells a group of ANY SLAVE OWNERS they have no place in that state"

I did not have to imagine you would default straight to slavery and correlate me with supporting slavery, I fully anticipated it in the previous post. I just hope everyone else can see your baseless racebaiting misdirecting trolling bullshit. I really have no reason to read your posts. If you still think, after all this time, after all the Pimpdaves and Woodruffs, you can get under my skin and bait me into negativity, I don't have any answers for ya other than I expected better.

[Metsfanmax]

on the basic end of why I care....I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY state tells a group of ANY PEOPLE they have no place in that state, no less a state like New York, and what it represents and how it is relative to the rest of America.

I can only imagine Phatscotty in 1860.

"I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY northern state tells a group of ANY SLAVE OWNERS they have no place in that state"

I did not have to imagine you would default straight to slavery and correlate me with supporting slavery, I fully anticipated it in the previous post. I just hope everyone else can see your baseless racebaiting misdirecting trolling bullshit.

It shouldn't have been that hard, since I already made the point in this same thread:

Imagine if Cuomo had said that extreme conservatives who are pro-slavery have no place in New York -- would you object? Or are you just objecting because it's still fashionable to be anti-gay in some places?

But yes, I too agree that calling me a troll is an effective response to a legitimate criticism of your absurd universal claim. Would you like to make it three times in a row that you actually avoid the argument?

[Phatscotty]

You haven't even started the argument. All your posts have been "phatscotty is anti-gay" "I bet Phatscotty thinks this (insert baseless off topic BS)" "I thought Phatscotty would be happy" "Yeah, well Phatscotty would support slavery"

yeah....great 'arguments'. It's crystal clear you are the one avoiding and misframing everything.

[Metsfanmax]

You haven't even started the argument. All your posts have been "I bet Phatscotty thinks this (insert baseless off topic BS)" "I thought Phatscotty would be happy" "Yeah, well Phatscotty would support slavery"

yeah....great 'arguments'

I obviously don't think you support slavery. That's why it's an effective argument. It's an obvious counter-example to your general statement, which is intended to get you to re-evaluate your position and make it less grandiose.

[_sabotage_]

Right-to-life = slave owner

Thanks for the new definition Mets.

Does Coumo think that security forces, like SWAT, have no place in his state too?

[Metsfanmax]

Right-to-life = slave owner

Thanks for the new definition Mets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Although, it's actually not too far from the truth. Prohibiting a woman from having an abortion is like making her a legal slave to the fetus.

[thegreekdog]

I don't think Governor Cuomo wants conservatives to get out, given the number of conservatives who run or are in positions of a high enough level in major companies.

What are those numbers of Conservatives you speak of? Do you think the number is increasing and that Conservatives are flocking to New York? or that the number is decreasing?

Conservatives are and have been leaving New York for a while, and it's not just because of what Cuomo said a few days ago, it's that it has been finally said out loud.

Do you know what the direct quote from Cuomo is? I don't find it one bit confusing or worth defending or questioning Here it is again, in plain English

gov Cuomo: .......THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK

You may (somehow) think that doesn't mean Governor Cuomo wants Conservatives to get out; I don't think it could be more clear.

I think you misunderstood my message. Sorry you had to type all that...

Let me rephrase - I really don't think the Governor would like to see all conservatives leave given that his state would go down the shitter awfully quickly.

[Phatscotty]

following the story
from earlier this week


from earlier today

Glenn Beck said on Megyn Kelly’s show Tuesday that he had an “awful lot of fun” in the years he was at Fox News, but that he made an “awful lot of mistakes.”

“I wish I could go back and be more uniting in my language,” Beck remarked. “I think I played a role, unfortunately, in helping tear the country apart.”

In recent days, members of the media on both sides have pounced upon the comment, many reacting with approving surprise that Beck would make such an admission (though it’s not the first time Beck has made such a comment). Among those who weighed in were MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, and CNN’s Piers Morgan.
.In recent days, members of the media on both sides have pounced upon the comment, many reacting with approving surprise that Beck would make such an admission (though it’s not the first time Beck has made such a comment). Among those who weighed in were MSNBC’s Joe Scarborough, and CNN’s Piers Morgan.

Beck said on his television show Thursday that he was “baffled” by the media’s reaction, saying “they really, truly cannot understand why the always angry, always crazy Glenn Beck is suddenly introspective and calm…”

Beck said that the media’s surprise is indicative of the larger problem — that people on both sides of the aisle oftentimes don’t actually know what their political opponents believe.

“They are shocked today because they think I’m some anti-gay, racist nut-job, and they think the same thing about you,” Beck said. “…The only time they ever reported on me, or on you, was when some leftist with an agenda at Media Matters sent them some ridiculous, out-of-context ‘Glenn Beck alert.’ And that’s the only thing that’s ever been news-worthy to them.”

The media failed to notice his company’s many successes, Beck said, like how Mercury One has given $14 million to victims of tragedy in under two years – $500,000 of which went to a struggling hospital in New York City.

“I haven’t changed any of my views,” Beck said. “You’re discovering some of my views.”

The multimedia personality praised those in the media who reflected on their own behavior after hearing his remarks, saying it is “great” that we can look “inwards and upwards.”

“May I humbly suggest that the media stop gawking at my introspection,” Beck said, “and start, maybe, doing a little introspection of their own.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/01 ... the-media/

[Phatscotty]

I don't think Governor Cuomo wants conservatives to get out, given the number of conservatives who run or are in positions of a high enough level in major companies.

What are those numbers of Conservatives you speak of? Do you think the number is increasing and that Conservatives are flocking to New York? or that the number is decreasing?

Conservatives are and have been leaving New York for a while, and it's not just because of what Cuomo said a few days ago, it's that it has been finally said out loud.

Do you know what the direct quote from Cuomo is? I don't find it one bit confusing or worth defending or questioning Here it is again, in plain English

gov Cuomo: .......THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK

You may (somehow) think that doesn't mean Governor Cuomo wants Conservatives to get out; I don't think it could be more clear.

I think you misunderstood my message. Sorry you had to type all that...

Let me rephrase - I really don't think the Governor would like to see all conservatives leave given that his state would go down the shitter awfully quickly.

Oh, don't worry gimp-master(not like a gimp-master usually worries too much about his gimp). It only took a couple minutes, and other people may value the information, and your rephrasing isn't even close to where you think I would go with that. Thanks for the insight that it's 'not ALLLLLLLL" Conservatives. Just the one's who don't agree with him. so, basically, we are back to the OP statement? Is the circle jerk complete, or do you want to discuss further?
I'm gonna check, but I don't think anyone has found the other problem of what Cuomo said yet.

[thegreekdog]

I have to admit, I have no idea where you're going with this. Seemed like a pretty stupid thing for Cuomo to say.

[Phatscotty]

since when it pro-life an 'extreme position'? Isn't this the slippery slope so many have been denying? Another, bolder direct attack on the first amendment?
poll time

[Metsfanmax]

If Glenn Beck is not anti-gay, then Cuomo's comment doesn't apply to him, and he shouldn't feel worried.

[thegreekdog]

I don't think Governor Cuomo wants conservatives to get out, given the number of conservatives who run or are in positions of a high enough level in major companies.

What are those numbers of Conservatives you speak of? Do you think the number is increasing and that Conservatives are flocking to New York? or that the number is decreasing?

Conservatives are and have been leaving New York for a while, and it's not just because of what Cuomo said a few days ago, it's that it has been finally said out loud.

Do you know what the direct quote from Cuomo is? I don't find it one bit confusing or worth defending or questioning Here it is again, in plain English

gov Cuomo: .......THEY HAVE NO PLACE IN THE STATE OF NEW YORK

You may (somehow) think that doesn't mean Governor Cuomo wants Conservatives to get out; I don't think it could be more clear.

I think you misunderstood my message. Sorry you had to type all that...

Let me rephrase - I really don't think the Governor would like to see all conservatives leave given that his state would go down the shitter awfully quickly.

Oh, don't worry gimp-master(not like a gimp-master usually worries too much about his gimp). It only took a couple minutes, and other people may value the information, and your rephrasing isn't even close to where you think I would go with that. Thanks for the insight that it's 'not ALLLLLLLL" Conservatives. Just the one's who don't agree with him. so, basically, we are back to the OP statement? Is the circle jerk complete, or do you want to discuss further?
I'm gonna check, but I don't think anyone has found the other problem of what Cuomo said yet.

To respond to the edit here - You're a weird guy who cares about weird things. Why do you care about this?

[Lootifer]

Interesting: I like the open letter and agree with the sentiment. I dont know the context but I have no problem with the letter Mr Beck has written. Thats not to say I agree with his personal views, but that has little to do with the letter he's written.

However, I dont see how that is in any way useful/relevant to a debate on if pro-life is an extreme view or not (a debate in itself I personally see as pointless). What Mr Beck has written is very high level rhetoric about freedom of speech and more generally just plain old freedom. He has [intentionally] not dug into the details, so I am curious as to why you are trying to connect a piece of high level rhetoric with a detailed viewpoint. For example: I could say exactly the same thing as Mr Beck rationally and honestly, and turn around and say i'm pro-choice.

[BigBallinStalin]

PS, why do you care about this particular stance of Cuomo's?

Nobody else yet has even scratched the surface of what I think needs to be discussed about this issue, hopefully with you and TGD that is changing.

It's so much bigger than just a particular stance. 4 escalating levels flash through my mind in the first milisecond of thought...since 'extreme' is the heart of the matter, I'll take it to the extreme. I know Mets and maybe Andy will try to run with this as my main point, but I don't care about those misdirections, distractions, or malicious framing. I blaze my own trails.
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on the basic end of why I care....I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY state tells a group of ANY PEOPLE they have no place in that state, no less a state like New York, and what it represents and how it is relative to the rest of America.

It's about fundamental principles, which means that I would feel and think the EXACT same way if the governor of Minnesota said that homosexuality is an 'extreme position', and people with that extreme position have no place in Minnesota. The fact that many people don't seem to care, since it's okay to hate Conservatives and even encouraged, tells me we are moving closer to the extreme, not further away from it.

Here's my perspective on the matter:

Imagine if the US was comprised of various political boundaries with overlapping jurisdictions of courts, police, and what have you. Now suppose one of these 'city-states' prohibits Progressives, gays, conservatives, or whatever from entering. I wouldn't care because they can suffer the consequences and/or reap the benefits of doing so because I am uncertain as to whether that kind of policy would be profitable. Nevertheless, within a competitive environment with the free mobility of labor and capital, we would soon find out how profitable or costly such a policy would be (since free prices would emerge, a la greater or less tax revenues, public reaction, voting with feet, and so on).

Fundamentally, excluding some group from an area does not deserve my admonition--assuming exchanges were conducted in a voluntary manner. Of course, there are extreme cases where a caveat is necessary, but Cuomo's stance is not an extreme enough case.

In conclusion, #butts.

[BigBallinStalin]

I always thought PhatScotty was a libertarian.

He isn't. TGD and I basically are. Lootifer is mostly libertarian. Most people living under liberal democracies are half libertarian in that they accept classical liberalism over a large amount of policies (e.g. work where you want and can), but they balk at full deregulation and what not.

PS is an old school Republican.

[Metsfanmax]

PS, why do you care about this particular stance of Cuomo's?

Nobody else yet has even scratched the surface of what I think needs to be discussed about this issue, hopefully with you and TGD that is changing.

It's so much bigger than just a particular stance. 4 escalating levels flash through my mind in the first milisecond of thought...since 'extreme' is the heart of the matter, I'll take it to the extreme. I know Mets and maybe Andy will try to run with this as my main point, but I don't care about those misdirections, distractions, or malicious framing. I blaze my own trails.
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on the basic end of why I care....I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY state tells a group of ANY PEOPLE they have no place in that state, no less a state like New York, and what it represents and how it is relative to the rest of America.

It's about fundamental principles, which means that I would feel and think the EXACT same way if the governor of Minnesota said that homosexuality is an 'extreme position', and people with that extreme position have no place in Minnesota. The fact that many people don't seem to care, since it's okay to hate Conservatives and even encouraged, tells me we are moving closer to the extreme, not further away from it.

Here's my perspective on the matter:

Imagine if the US was comprised of various political boundaries with overlapping jurisdictions of courts, police, and what have you. Now suppose one of these 'city-states' prohibits Progressives, gays, conservatives, or whatever from entering. I wouldn't care because they can suffer the consequences and/or reap the benefits of doing so because I am uncertain as to whether that kind of policy would be profitable. Nevertheless, within a competitive environment with the free mobility of labor and capital, we would soon find out how profitable or costly such a policy would be (since free prices would emerge, a la greater or less tax revenues, public reaction, voting with feet, and so on).

Fundamentally, excluding some group from an area does not deserve my admonition--assuming exchanges were conducted in a voluntary manner. Of course, there are extreme cases where a caveat is necessary, but Cuomo's stance is not an extreme enough case.

In conclusion, #butts.

To translate from BBS-speak to normal person language: Phatscotty's all for states' rights until he doesn't like what one of the states does.

[warmonger1981]

Governor Dayton wants to remove all the former Governors portraits in the state capital due to not being diversified enough. Also wants to take down 5/7 murals in the capital depicting Civil War scenes. Saying it misrepresents Minnesota. Fun Fact or Rumor? IDK

[BigBallinStalin]

Why not assume anarchy, and then analyze such situations? It helps clear away a lot of the noise.

[chang50]

Interesting: I like the open letter and agree with the sentiment. I dont know the context but I have no problem with the letter Mr Beck has written. Thats not to say I agree with his personal views, but that has little to do with the letter he's written.

However, I dont see how that is in any way useful/relevant to a debate on if pro-life is an extreme view or not (a debate in itself I personally see as pointless). What Mr Beck has written is very high level rhetoric about freedom of speech and more generally just plain old freedom. He has [intentionally] not dug into the details, so I am curious as to why you are trying to connect a piece of high level rhetoric with a detailed viewpoint. For example: I could say exactly the same thing as Mr Beck rationally and honestly, and turn around and say i'm pro-choice.

You do realise that according to PS as a non-American this subject is none of your business?Especially if you disagree with PS...

[Metsfanmax]

Interesting: I like the open letter and agree with the sentiment. I dont know the context but I have no problem with the letter Mr Beck has written. Thats not to say I agree with his personal views, but that has little to do with the letter he's written.

However, I dont see how that is in any way useful/relevant to a debate on if pro-life is an extreme view or not (a debate in itself I personally see as pointless). What Mr Beck has written is very high level rhetoric about freedom of speech and more generally just plain old freedom. He has [intentionally] not dug into the details, so I am curious as to why you are trying to connect a piece of high level rhetoric with a detailed viewpoint. For example: I could say exactly the same thing as Mr Beck rationally and honestly, and turn around and say i'm pro-choice.

You do realise that according to PS as a non-American this subject is none of your business?Especially if you disagree with PS...

Well, he certainly feels very qualified to make comments about New York. Phatscotty, I reject your comments because you should just be worried about Minnesota. What happens over here in the Northeast is none of your concern. Focus on what's going on where you live.

[chang50]

Interesting: I like the open letter and agree with the sentiment. I dont know the context but I have no problem with the letter Mr Beck has written. Thats not to say I agree with his personal views, but that has little to do with the letter he's written.

However, I dont see how that is in any way useful/relevant to a debate on if pro-life is an extreme view or not (a debate in itself I personally see as pointless). What Mr Beck has written is very high level rhetoric about freedom of speech and more generally just plain old freedom. He has [intentionally] not dug into the details, so I am curious as to why you are trying to connect a piece of high level rhetoric with a detailed viewpoint. For example: I could say exactly the same thing as Mr Beck rationally and honestly, and turn around and say i'm pro-choice.

You do realise that according to PS as a non-American this subject is none of your business?Especially if you disagree with PS...

Well, he certainly feels very qualified to make comments about New York. Phatscotty, I reject your comments because you should just be worried about Minnesota. What happens over here in the Northeast is none of your concern. Focus on what's going on where you live.

You have as much right to arbitrarily draw the boundaries of what qualifies as someone's business as he does lol.

[Phatscotty]

Interesting: I like the open letter and agree with the sentiment. I dont know the context but I have no problem with the letter Mr Beck has written. Thats not to say I agree with his personal views, but that has little to do with the letter he's written.

However, I dont see how that is in any way useful/relevant to a debate on if pro-life is an extreme view or not

The open letter is to governor Cuomo.

Governor Cuomo said pro-life is an extreme position, and those kind of Conservative have no place in the state of New York......which is what prompted the open letter from Beck.

[Phatscotty]

Interesting: I like the open letter and agree with the sentiment. I dont know the context but I have no problem with the letter Mr Beck has written. Thats not to say I agree with his personal views, but that has little to do with the letter he's written.

However, I dont see how that is in any way useful/relevant to a debate on if pro-life is an extreme view or not (a debate in itself I personally see as pointless). What Mr Beck has written is very high level rhetoric about freedom of speech and more generally just plain old freedom. He has [intentionally] not dug into the details, so I am curious as to why you are trying to connect a piece of high level rhetoric with a detailed viewpoint. For example: I could say exactly the same thing as Mr Beck rationally and honestly, and turn around and say i'm pro-choice.

You do realise that according to PS as a non-American this subject is none of your business?Especially if you disagree with PS...

Non American is only half of the recipe. NonAmerican telling America how to live and how it is in America.....yeah, that, of course

[Phatscotty]

PS, why do you care about this particular stance of Cuomo's?

Nobody else yet has even scratched the surface of what I think needs to be discussed about this issue, hopefully with you and TGD that is changing.

It's so much bigger than just a particular stance. 4 escalating levels flash through my mind in the first milisecond of thought...since 'extreme' is the heart of the matter, I'll take it to the extreme. I know Mets and maybe Andy will try to run with this as my main point, but I don't care about those misdirections, distractions, or malicious framing. I blaze my own trails.
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on the basic end of why I care....I think we should ALL care ANYTIME a governor of ANY state tells a group of ANY PEOPLE they have no place in that state, no less a state like New York, and what it represents and how it is relative to the rest of America.

It's about fundamental principles, which means that I would feel and think the EXACT same way if the governor of Minnesota said that homosexuality is an 'extreme position', and people with that extreme position have no place in Minnesota. The fact that many people don't seem to care, since it's okay to hate Conservatives and even encouraged, tells me we are moving closer to the extreme, not further away from it.

Here's my perspective on the matter:

Imagine if the US was comprised of various political boundaries with overlapping jurisdictions of courts, police, and what have you. Now suppose one of these 'city-states' prohibits Progressives, gays, conservatives, or whatever from entering. I wouldn't care because they can suffer the consequences and/or reap the benefits of doing so because I am uncertain as to whether that kind of policy would be profitable. Nevertheless, within a competitive environment with the free mobility of labor and capital, we would soon find out how profitable or costly such a policy would be (since free prices would emerge, a la greater or less tax revenues, public reaction, voting with feet, and so on).

Fundamentally, excluding some group from an area does not deserve my admonition--assuming exchanges were conducted in a voluntary manner. Of course, there are extreme cases where a caveat is necessary, but Cuomo's stance is not an extreme enough case.

In conclusion, #butts.

To translate from BBS-speak to normal person language: Phatscotty's all for states' rights until he doesn't like what one of the states does.

How in the blue hell do you get states rights from a purely economic opinion?? And are you really saying that you would support a governor of a state telling homosexuals they have no place living in that state? I'm calling bullshit, for the third time.