Jim Crow isn't dead

[oVo]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

Sex is connected to everything. Entertainment, advertising, human interaction and life in general. Marriage and sex is that odd mix of do as I say, but not as I do. Moral doctrines say get married before sex, even though people with those same values consider guys as studs and women as sluts who have pre-marital intercourse.

Government has complicated marriage by requiring licenses, attaching inheritance, health benefits and many basic human rights to it. Gay couples regardless of how long they've been together are denied those same rights accorded --and taken for granted by-- married couples.

The sanctity of marriage as described by many bible thumpers isn't so sacred in the United States as more than half end in divorce. Gay rights isn't about flaunting or promoting homosexual preferences. It isn't even about accepting people being attracted to the same gender, but it is about tolerance, justice and equal rights for all and not just the privileged group who measure up to certain social standards considereed normal.

[notyou2]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes.

What is the difference between the male sex and the female sex, according to this belief?

Yes PS, please elaborate on these "differences". I would also like to know more on the "purpose" of the sexes.

[thegreekdog]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

[Metsfanmax]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

What could be more important than shutting down the oppression by the gays?

[thegreekdog]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

What could be more important than shutting down the oppression by the gays?

Well that's what I'm saying. There is no oppression by the gays in Kansas. The bill has no logical reason for existing in the first place. The gays CAN'T sue anyone for refusing them business.

[AndyDufresne]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

What could be more important than shutting down the oppression by the gays?

Well that's what I'm saying. There is no oppression by the gays in Kansas. The bill has no logical reason for existing in the first place. The gays CAN'T sue anyone for refusing them business.

TGD, your mind is to narrow. Because you are all lawyery, you think in terms of law, law, law. The oppression exists outside the law, in diners, on street corners, in shopping malls...and maybe, just maybe...even in secretly in churches.


--Andy

[Phatscotty]

The article fits in with the Sullivan I know

After the Daily Beast’s Andrew Sullivan commented about the current White House resident’s foreign policy during the show’s web-based Overtime segment, Cupp said, “Obama’s foreign policy is Bush’s foreign policy.”

“Are you kidding me?” asked an indignant Sullivan.

Sullivan is balls deep in Democrat lore. He doesn't pony up when he should

[mrswdk]

Why has gay marriage become such a trendy protest recently? Is it some sort of Cold War reaction to Sochi?

[Phatscotty]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

We are living in a country in a time and in this specific issue where an unelected, purely politically appointed judge can overturn a voter back Constitutional amendment with the stroke of a pen. I think it's more than symbolic. It's culture war.

Live and let live

[notyou2]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

We are living in a country in a time and in this specific issue where an unelected, purely politically appointed judge can overturn a voter back Constitutional amendment with the stroke of a pen. I think it's more than symbolic. It's culture war.

Live and let live

My god you are a hypocrite.

[thegreekdog]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

We are living in a country in a time and in this specific issue where an unelected, purely politically appointed judge can overturn a voter back Constitutional amendment with the stroke of a pen. I think it's more than symbolic. It's culture war.

Live and let live

So it's symbolic.

Anyway, to parse out what's wrong with your post.

(1) You have yet to address why this law was necessary apart from your first post (and Night Strike's first post), which I refuted.
(2) You fail to understand that the issue is not with a constitutional amendment, it's with current law (i.e. whether sexual orientation is a protected class in Kansas). So perhaps the reason for (1) is you don't understand the argument I made and the factual situation in Kansas (i.e. it's impossible for someone to sue a business due to sexual orientation discrimination).
(3) Since Kansas does not have a law noting sexual orientation as a protected class, there is no "culture war" in Kansas to which the bill proferred relates.

Even if I agree that gays should not be allowed to sue someone for denying services based on sexual orientation, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING LAW IN KANSAS!

This is me right now:



Don't worry, my computer is okay.

[AndyDufresne]

So it's symbolic.

Anyway, to parse out what's wrong with your post.

(1) You have yet to address why this law was necessary apart from your first post (and Night Strike's first post), which I refuted.
(2) You fail to understand that the issue is not with a constitutional amendment, it's with current law (i.e. whether sexual orientation is a protected class in Kansas). So perhaps the reason for (1) is you don't understand the argument I made and the factual situation in Kansas (i.e. it's impossible for someone to sue a business due to sexual orientation discrimination).
(3) Since Kansas does not have a law noting sexual orientation as a protected class, there is no "culture war" in Kansas to which the bill proferred relates.

Even if I agree that gays should not be allowed to sue someone for denying services based on sexual orientation, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING LAW IN KANSAS!

This is me right now:



Don't worry, my computer is okay.

--Andy

[Dukasaur]

I knew this thread had potential. It was a bit of a slow starter, but it's getting warmed up now!

[BigBallinStalin]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

We are living in a country in a time and in this specific issue where an unelected, purely politically appointed judge can overturn a voter back Constitutional amendment with the stroke of a pen. I think it's more than symbolic. It's culture war.

Live and let live

So it's symbolic.

Anyway, to parse out what's wrong with your post.

(1) You have yet to address why this law was necessary apart from your first post (and Night Strike's first post), which I refuted.
(2) You fail to understand that the issue is not with a constitutional amendment, it's with current law (i.e. whether sexual orientation is a protected class in Kansas). So perhaps the reason for (1) is you don't understand the argument I made and the factual situation in Kansas (i.e. it's impossible for someone to sue a business due to sexual orientation discrimination).
(3) Since Kansas does not have a law noting sexual orientation as a protected class, there is no "culture war" in Kansas to which the bill proferred relates.

Even if I agree that gays should not be allowed to sue someone for denying services based on sexual orientation, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING LAW IN KANSAS!

This is me right now:



Don't worry, my computer is okay.

Hey, Phatscotty,

show

[thegreekdog]

There is a cost-benefit analysis that occurs when I start pulling wrestling youtube videos. For example, I spent the better part of an hour watching The Rock "it doesn't matter" videos and then switched to newer "The Rock" moments (which were not as funny, mostly because he was dealing with serious bizness with CM Punk). In any event, I got little to no work done in that time period.

[radiojake]

... And for the millionth time, why does anyone's sexuality need to be everyone's business?

Spoke by a true heterosexual who doesn't realise that hetero-normativity is literally shoved in peoples' faces so constantly that they don't even realise it -

A male California high school senior who played on the boys baseball team as a freshman will now play on the girls softball team.

What happens now?

Ha - A 5'8 isn't that tall... and none of the other softball teams seem to have an issue with it, otherwise you could be sure that the article would have mentioned it ---

The article is pretty f*cking poor when they still refer to the student as a dude and male and put 'she' in apostrophes -

[mrswdk]

The word 'she' is used as part of a quote from the guy in which he is giving examples of titles he has started using to refer to himself. In that context it is correct to add apostrophes to the words 'she' and 'hers', regardless of whether or not you agree with his self-identity.

[Phatscotty]

One belief is that there is a difference between the sexes and a purpose for the sexes. Another belief is that there is no difference between the sexes and gender does not matter. That's what it all comes down to. If we say sex doesn't matter, then it doesn't matter for anything. Boys are going to be playing on girls junior high basketball teams, boys are going to be playing on girls high school hockey teams, men are going to be playing on women college volleyball teams. That's why the issue of marriage was so important. The redefinition dictated to everyone that sex does not matter. The people of Kansas say it does matter.

End of story

Actually, the House In Kansas wrote an ineffectual, irrelevant, and unnecessary law. I suppose they wrote it for symoblic reasons, but really, don't they have better things to spend their time on?

We are living in a country in a time and in this specific issue where an unelected, purely politically appointed judge can overturn a voter back Constitutional amendment with the stroke of a pen. I think it's more than symbolic. It's culture war.

Live and let live

So it's symbolic.

Anyway, to parse out what's wrong with your post.

(1) You have yet to address why this law was necessary apart from your first post (and Night Strike's first post), which I refuted.
(2) You fail to understand that the issue is not with a constitutional amendment, it's with current law (i.e. whether sexual orientation is a protected class in Kansas). So perhaps the reason for (1) is you don't understand the argument I made and the factual situation in Kansas (i.e. it's impossible for someone to sue a business due to sexual orientation discrimination).
(3) Since Kansas does not have a law noting sexual orientation as a protected class, there is no "culture war" in Kansas to which the bill proferred relates.

Even if I agree that gays should not be allowed to sue someone for denying services based on sexual orientation, IT DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE FUCKING LAW IN KANSAS!

This is me right now:



Don't worry, my computer is okay.

That's drool, man. I don't give a crap about what was written on that piece of paper. I'm talking about the issue, and where the people of Kansas stand on it, not this one piece of paper you are trying to build your case on.

I'm not buying into your version because I didn't say anything was or wasn't part of Kansas law, and I was talking about what has happened in other states who 'used to have' similar laws as Kansas, but got overturned by a Federal judge.

The issue is that if someone wants to refuse doing business based on religious reasons, it will be acceptable under the law, in Kansas.

Basically, bakers and florists and choirs continue to not be forced to participate in gay weddings.

[notyou2]

......and the story changes.

[Phatscotty]

... And for the millionth time, why does anyone's sexuality need to be everyone's business?

Spoke by a true heterosexual who doesn't realise that hetero-normativity is literally shoved in peoples' faces so constantly that they don't even realise it -

...and how do you expect a 97/99% and 1-3% situation to turn out?? Walk me through that if you don't mind.

A male California high school senior who played on the boys baseball team as a freshman will now play on the girls softball team.

What happens now?

Ha - A 5'8 isn't that tall... and none of the other softball teams seem to have an issue with it, otherwise you could be sure that the article would have mentioned it ---

The article is pretty f*cking poor when they still refer to the student as a dude and male and put 'she' in apostrophes -

How do you know the other softball teams don't have an issue with it? You are blabbing, because 'it', the boy playing on the girls team, has not happened yet. You can speculate none of the other teams have a problem with it, and I'll take that bet, that in fact at least one person or one coach does in fact have a problem with it.

[muy_thaiguy]

Somewhat in tune with the kid playing softball, a female wrestler made it to the state high school tournament in Colorado. She was eventually eleminated, but was treated like another wrestler. Come to think of it, wrestling is pretty good about letting women compete. Just that it seems that most women aren't that interested in wrestling. And size doesn't matter too much because there are a bunch of different weight divisions, and so long as the athlete (male or female) remains in that weight class, they'll be good to go.

Also in tune with this thing, the South Eastern Conference defensive player of the year (American Football) recently came that he was gay, but his teammates had suspected as much before he told them. And he only came out publicly because I think his agent for the NFL draft was going to out him first, so he took matters into his own hands. And this has raised a big stink too, because some people think he did it for the attention, or others are freaked out by it, but most (including his teammates) say, "whatever, the guy is a great player and has proved it, let's move on".

[mrswdk]

a female wrestler made it to the state high school tournament in Colorado. She was eventually eleminated, but was treated like another wrestler

What do you mean? She entered a boy's tournament or a tournament open to both genders?

[muy_thaiguy]

a female wrestler made it to the state high school tournament in Colorado. She was eventually eleminated, but was treated like another wrestler

What do you mean? She entered a boy's tournament or a tournament open to both genders?

Wrestling in general (unless you have a coach that says otherwise) is open to both genders. Just that not many girls are interested in it in the first place.

[Dukasaur]

a female wrestler made it to the state high school tournament in Colorado. She was eventually eleminated, but was treated like another wrestler

What do you mean? She entered a boy's tournament or a tournament open to both genders?

Wrestling in general (unless you have a coach that says otherwise) is open to both genders. Just that not many girls are interested in it in the first place.

My girlfriend can't wrestle worth a shit. But boy, you should see her box....

[radiojake]

How do you know the other softball teams don't have an issue with it? You are blabbing, because 'it', the boy playing on the girls team, has not happened yet. You can speculate none of the other teams have a problem with it, and I'll take that bet, that in fact at least one person or one coach does in fact have a problem with it.

I' m just going by the quotes in the article

Local high school softball coaches don’t seem too concerned about Cordova-Goff’s inclusion on the Azusa High softball team.

“There is no issue for me,” said West Covina softball coach Jesse Mendez said. “Could there be a competitive advantage? Sure, but softball is a pretty skillful game.”

The coach at Charter Oak High School, Scott Higuera, opined that rules are rules.

“I’m fine with it as long as it’s within the rules,” Higuera said. “The bottom line is, you have to play the game, and softball is very competitive.”

Considering it's pretty obvious from the article that the author has a major problem with this, that they would have found something from an opposition team to use against the player -

The word 'she' is used as part of a quote from the guy in which he is giving examples of titles he has started using to refer to himself. In that context it is correct to add apostrophes to the words 'she' and 'hers', regardless of whether or not you agree with his self-identity.

It's pretty inflammatory to blatantly refer to her as a male when they do not identify as such