question bout 'merica

[betiko]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

i don't believe you. from what I've heard, you canadians are ok if someone goes to work in a burka.

[muy_thaiguy]

d) a middle finger sign

d. Stone Cold Steve Austin fans and South Park fans will salute you.

A single finger salute?

Yep, sometimes with both hands even.

[notyou2]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

If you talk back to them in English, the fine is doubled, and stay home 2 days.

Unless you are American, then they drop everything.

[betiko]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

If you talk back to them in English, the fine is doubled, and stay home 2 days.

and do you get paid during those 2 days? that sounds cool.

[notyou2]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

If you talk back to them in English, the fine is doubled, and stay home 2 days.

Unless you are American, then they drop everything.

If you are from Europe, you are then deported.

[betiko]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

If you talk back to them in English, the fine is doubled, and stay home 2 days.

Unless you are American, then they drop everything.

normal. canadians should all speak french. you need to give english speaking canadians a lesson to see if they get the point.

[betiko]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

If you talk back to them in English, the fine is doubled, and stay home 2 days.

Unless you are American, then they drop everything.

If you are from Europe, you are then deported.

even if you're french????? like real french french? i think it could be ok, they would know you were kidding.

[betiko]

Or skin color.

guetto black

[betiko]

And teeth count?

31 i think

[notyou2]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

If you talk back to them in English, the fine is doubled, and stay home 2 days.

and do you get paid during those 2 days? that sounds cool.

Non

[notyou2]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

i don't believe you. from what I've heard, you canadians are ok if someone goes to work in a burka.

RCMP Sihks can wear religious headgear while in uniform, but not in Quebec.

[betiko]

In Quebec if you show up at work with a religious symbol visible, you get fined and sent home without pay.

i don't believe you. from what I've heard, you canadians are ok if someone goes to work in a burka.

RCMP Sihks can wear religious headgear while in uniform, but not in Quebec.

sorry but what is the point of a uniform if people can go like "yeah but i want to wear a turban!!!" well f*ck you sir, you signed to become a RCMP and there is a uniform. If someone's religion doesn't let him wear red is he going to use a blue coat and be the only one wearing something different?
Quebec rulz.

[BigBallinStalin]

Within every Frenchie is a Fascist screaming to get out. amirite?

[AndyDufresne]

Within every Frenchie, is a Fascist screaming to get out. amirite?

BBS go ahead and get out of here. Baguette off.


--Andy

[mrswdk]

French people don't hate everyone, just non-Christians, Romany gypsies and homosexuals!

[betiko]

French people don't hate everyone, just non-Christians, Romany gypsies and homosexuals!

i tought we were a laic socialist state allowing gay marriage and rom's favorite destination to go rip off people.

how is that hatred to ask people to keep their religion for themselves, and if someone holds a police/military position to tell him that he has to wear the same uniform as the rest? what does your religion or your native customs have to do with your job in the culture you decided to blend into by becoming a citizen?

[BigBallinStalin]

French people don't hate everyone, just non-Christians, Romany gypsies and homosexuals!

i tought we were a laic socialist state allowing gay marriage and rom's favorite destination to go rip off people.

how is that hatred to ask people to keep their religion for themselves, and if someone holds a police/military position to tell him that he has to wear the same uniform as the rest? what does your religion or your native customs have to do with your job in the culture you decided to blend into by becoming a citizen?

Either the culture changes by allowing new comers to introduce their styles into it, or
the culture isn't allowed to change because of political and even business policies.

You're not asking people to keep X to themselves if they already live in the country. Instead, you are forcing them to abide via the government. That's an important difference.

Also, the pro-government argument ignores people's freedom to choose how they express themselves--as French citizens.

Most businesses won't let their employees wear sexually explicit T-shirts for obvious reasons. You also have to abide by the contract, which you signed, upon being employed. For politics, it's not so obvious; there is no actual contract to sign; and it's more resistant to changes in consumer preferences and payments (e.g. citizens are forced to pay the government through its threat of violence. Businesses can't do that unless they get government-backing).

Not allowing a culture to change is partly explained by xenophobia ('fear' of foreigners). It's also explained by a desire to maintain a certain type of Nationalist identity ('White' French), so note the implicit assumption about the superiority of a particular identity over others. Hatred against others by the majority/minority who control the political realm can easily play its role here. Shifts toward stronger government control over culture is also similar to the methods of fascist and Communist states. That's not ideal, in my humble opinion.

[betiko]

you know nothing jon snow. if the majority is doing something and disalows minority to do it you would be right, the fact is that you bring in your 2 cents knowing f*ck all as always. We are constitutionally a laic state. french revolution, the separation of church and state, rings a bell?

from our point of view, your religion (being sikh, christian, jew or what the f*ck you want) is not something you show off. we help building mosks, buddhist temples and all you want in france, we just don't allow people working for the state to have any religious symbols exactly for the opposite reason that your 12 years old worth comment.

[nietzsche]

While I get your point BBS, I think it's paradoxical that your idealism creates more differences.

I've always seen that as the difference between the US and Mexico. (Of course we have not as much diversity, but it exists)

In Mexico those of African descent and those of Asian descent, those of Caucasian descent and the native blend on the same culture, live in the same neighborhoods, stupidly solemnly sing the same anthem, etc. In Mexico the discrimination is against the poor.

[BigBallinStalin]

you know nothing jon snow. if the majority is doing something and disalows minority to do it you would be right, the fact is that you bring in your 2 cents knowing f*ck all as always. We are constitutionally a laic state. french revolution, the separation of church and state, rings a bell?

from our point of view, your religion (being sikh, christian, jew or what the f*ck you want) is not something you show off. we help building mosks, buddhist temples and all you want in france, we just don't allow people working for the state to have any religious symbols exactly for the opposite reason that your 12 years old worth comment.

You're not really clarifying much, and I wasn't just talking about government employees. By the way, are religious organizations not taxed by the government? Do they get special privileges? If so, then where's the separation of religion and state?

Anyway, can you underline which part is false? The underlined doesn't follow.

[BigBallinStalin]

While I get your point BBS, I think it's paradoxical that your idealism creates more differences.

I've always seen that as the difference between the US and Mexico. (Of course we have not as much diversity, but it exists)

In Mexico those of African descent and those of Asian descent, those of Caucasian descent and the native blend on the same culture, live in the same neighborhoods, stupidly solemnly sing the same anthem, etc. In Mexico the discrimination is against the poor.

Sure, that's because I'm down with cosmopolitanism. Even if there's ethnic difference, which nationalism might temporarily smooth over, you can still have a degree of unity beyond one ideology of nationalism, so in some cases, the paradox doesn't hold.

[betiko]

you know nothing jon snow. if the majority is doing something and disalows minority to do it you would be right, the fact is that you bring in your 2 cents knowing f*ck all as always. We are constitutionally a laic state. french revolution, the separation of church and state, rings a bell?

from our point of view, your religion (being sikh, christian, jew or what the f*ck you want) is not something you show off. we help building mosks, buddhist temples and all you want in france, we just don't allow people working for the state to have any religious symbols exactly for the opposite reason that your 12 years old worth comment.

You're not really clarifying much, and I wasn't just talking about government employees. By the way, are religious organizations not taxed by the government? Do they get special privileges? If so, then where's the separation of religion and state?

Anyway, can you underline which part is false? The underlined doesn't follow.

It seems like you were implying that the traditional french religion being roman catholic was the norm and that any catholic symbols were allowed while other religious symbols were not, that we are a country that belittles religions comming from other cultures.

regarding taxes: if the church was built prior to 1905 it doesn't pay taxes, after that date it pays taxes.

[BigBallinStalin]

you know nothing jon snow. if the majority is doing something and disalows minority to do it you would be right, the fact is that you bring in your 2 cents knowing f*ck all as always. We are constitutionally a laic state. french revolution, the separation of church and state, rings a bell?

from our point of view, your religion (being sikh, christian, jew or what the f*ck you want) is not something you show off. we help building mosks, buddhist temples and all you want in france, we just don't allow people working for the state to have any religious symbols exactly for the opposite reason that your 12 years old worth comment.

You're not really clarifying much, and I wasn't just talking about government employees. By the way, are religious organizations not taxed by the government? Do they get special privileges? If so, then where's the separation of religion and state?

Anyway, can you underline which part is false? The underlined doesn't follow.

It seems like you were implying that the traditional french religion being roman catholic was the norm and that any catholic symbols were allowed while other religious symbols were not, that we are a country that belittles religions comming from other cultures.

regarding taxes: if the church was built prior to 1905 it doesn't pay taxes, after that date it pays taxes.

Well, I wasn't intentionally implying that. I was just explaining a very simple model on how culture is affected by changes in government policy. If some citizens, who influence government policy, are fueled by hate and other factors, then it's possible that hate is fueling government's changes to culture.

On to another topic! How welcoming is France to other religious groups? How about ethnic groups?

Isn't France like most Western countries (has very restrictive immigration policy)?

[Lord Arioch]

In Sweden nothing....

[betiko]

you know nothing jon snow. if the majority is doing something and disalows minority to do it you would be right, the fact is that you bring in your 2 cents knowing f*ck all as always. We are constitutionally a laic state. french revolution, the separation of church and state, rings a bell?

from our point of view, your religion (being sikh, christian, jew or what the f*ck you want) is not something you show off. we help building mosks, buddhist temples and all you want in france, we just don't allow people working for the state to have any religious symbols exactly for the opposite reason that your 12 years old worth comment.

You're not really clarifying much, and I wasn't just talking about government employees. By the way, are religious organizations not taxed by the government? Do they get special privileges? If so, then where's the separation of religion and state?

Anyway, can you underline which part is false? The underlined doesn't follow.

It seems like you were implying that the traditional french religion being roman catholic was the norm and that any catholic symbols were allowed while other religious symbols were not, that we are a country that belittles religions comming from other cultures.

regarding taxes: if the church was built prior to 1905 it doesn't pay taxes, after that date it pays taxes.

Well, I wasn't intentionally implying that. I was just explaining a very simple model on how culture is affected by changes in government policy. If some citizens, who influence government policy, are fueled by hate and other factors, then it's possible that hate is fueling government's changes to culture.

On to another topic! How welcoming is France to other religious groups? How about ethnic groups?

Isn't France like most Western countries (has very restrictive immigration policy)?

I believe a bit like everywhere. There are some assholes that want france only for "real" french and who think the foreigners are stealing their jobs and their culture, and that come to france to live out of our wellfair system, then you have the other assholes who think we can let in all the world s misery in, give them wellfair, ask for lower taxes and think this is economically viable.
Regarding religious groups, well i guess a bit like every western country there is a big suspicion to any muslim extremists, or any religion that seems extreme and dangerous.