Bundy Ranch, Nevada

[chang50]

Even Glenn Beck can't support these nutjobs lol

Glenn Beck does support these nut jobs

Not on this occasion,his words reported on The Young Turks video 'Bundy ranch supporters furious with GB',clearly call for a non-violent response.It's on youtube..

[Phatscotty]

Even Glenn Beck can't support these nutjobs lol

Glenn Beck does support these nut jobs

Not on this occasion,his words reported on The Young Turks video 'Bundy ranch supporters furious with GB',clearly call for a non-violent response.It's on youtube..

He supported their right to free speech, and I think every American can agree that the gov't setting up a zone where the 1st amendment does not exist is pure fucking bullshit, and it doesn't matter who's right or wrong.

[chang50]

Even Glenn Beck can't support these nutjobs lol

Glenn Beck does support these nut jobs

Not on this occasion,his words reported on The Young Turks video 'Bundy ranch supporters furious with GB',clearly call for a non-violent response.It's on youtube..

He supported their right to free speech, and I think every American can agree that the gov't setting up a zone where the 1st amendment does not exist is pure fucking bullshit, and it doesn't matter who's right or wrong.

I support nut-jobs right to free speech also..lets hope nobody pays with their life if violence ensues.

[Phatscotty]

It's becoming more and more clear to Americans who the nutjobs are.

[chang50]

It's becoming more and more clear to Americans who the nutjobs are.

From a distance you seem to have way more than your fair share of every variety of nutjob

[Phatscotty]

Even Glenn Beck can't support these nutjobs lol

Glenn Beck does support these nut jobs

You like to just make things up don't ya

[2dimes]

Is Gillipig aware of that assemblywoman?

[kuthoer]

Even Glenn Beck can't support these nutjobs lol

Glenn Beck is a nut job

You like to just make things up don't ya

I agree with you Phatts, he's a nut job.

[Phatscotty]

Even Glenn Beck can't support these nutjobs lol

Glenn Beck is a nut job

You like to just make things up don't ya

I agree with you Phatts, he's a nut job.

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Here's the deal Kuth. America is Greece, Washington D.C. are the wuss Athenians who don't get it, and the Tea Party are the Spartans that understand what's really going on.

[kuthoer]

How ridiculous Phatts. Greece can't print their own money and has to somewhat abide by the laws of the European Union rules and regulation.

Too bad Americans like you constantly put America down cause we have a Democratic Black President. Your partisanship is bleeding through these threads.

[The Bison King]

There is something I don't understand about the US. I believe the US is a republic now composed of 50 independent states. During the US civil war, some states wanted to secede from that union. Why did the federal government not simply let them go? If they wanted to leave the union, they should have been allowed to provided a democratic vote of the people was held and secession was passed by a majority of eligible voters within those states. Yet the opposite happened.

What the other people said, and I'd add 2 other reasons.

1.) The whole continent was not settled yet. Large part of the West remained incorporated to either the Union or Confederacy. The civil war started in Kansas when both sides fought over whether it would become a slave state or a free state. This kind of territorial dispute would of played itself out across the rest of the west rendering war virtually inevitable.

2.) The same reason I imagine Quebec hasn't been granted independence. It just creates too many complications. If a strong central government has the power to keep an area within it's control, it just will.

Or I can give the snarky response:

I have No idea! Hindsight is 20/20

[saxitoxin]

I've refrained from posting in this thread as I was waiting for the inevitable "reveal" to happen and it appears it did yesterday. Anytime someone in Nevada, Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Washington, Oregon, or Idaho starts referencing the constitution, conspiracies, and land rights, there's a whole well of weirdness right below the surface that is gonna break out at any point. Phrases like "Constitution + Grazing" are code words used for signaling purposes, they have nothing to do with philosophy.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/24/us/po ... ef=us&_r=1

Best case scenario, Bundy is a Sovereign Citizen or Posse Commitatus. That's the most innocent scenario. But really, Bundy and his associates are not naive farmers minding their own business who suddenly found the government breathing down their necks. They are part of a very well-organized and extremely dangerous, criminal enterprise that has been operating in the western U.S. since the late 1950s and has been centrally run by Willis Carto and - to a lesser extent - the now deceased Vance Beaudreau (a retired USAF officer who masterminded a scheme in the mid 80s to loot the Moody family fortune) and the late particle physicist Dr. William Luther Pierce.

They employ exceptionally professional PR tactics to mainline themselves without revealing the presence of their organization. These people should be confronted backed by tanks and gunships because they're that dangerous; I blame Obama for sending in cops with small arms because he didn't want to look bad on TV.

[AndyDufresne]

There was an interview where he mentioned he didn't recognize the federal government, only the Nevada government -- though I think he's breaking some laws in Nevada too. Moral of the story, see my other topic about another hit ranch in Nevada.


--Andy

[saxitoxin]

The intellectual leadership of this cult follow the teachings of a vegan French Hindu mystic named Savitri Devi. They don't disclose this because they are following an alliance-building strategy and have found they can make the easiest inroads among evangelical Christians as they were a largely unpoliticized faction for most of American history (until the '76 presidential election).

Savitri Devi was briefly brought to America in the 1950s by the head of a New York PR firm, H. Keith Thompson. Much of the Devis growth strategy involves marketing conspiracy theories to low-information voters (but none of the usual lunatics like Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones have the aristocratic breeding that Thompson, or Lawrence Dennis, or Willis Carto, or Dr. Pierce, have/had so I suspect they're just unwitting Devi dupes). I personally know for a fact that Ferry County in Washington state was considered virtually off-limits to the feds in the 80s because local government had essentially been co-opted (this is one county over from where the Silent Brotherhood operated until they were wiped out in a Bundy-esque battle with the National Guard). Any use of "signaling words" (i.e. "constitutional rights") in very remote, western counties like that are usually a sure bet.

The whole thing is so convoluted that its simply over the head of media like CNN and the AP to report it because you need a historian, not a journalist, to write these. It's the Lyndon Larouche organization with 10x the resources but 1/10th the public awareness.

[Phatscotty]

How ridiculous Phatts. Greece can't print their own money and has to somewhat abide by the laws of the European Union rules and regulation.

Too bad Americans like you constantly put America down cause we have a Democratic Black President. Your partisanship is bleeding through these threads.

You missed the point. But in the process you revealed a few things about yourself.




viewtopic.php?f=8&t=94454&hilit=poll+racism

[AAFitz]

This guys a hero indeed. You sure can pickem phatty.

[kuthoer]

How ridiculous Phatts. Greece can't print their own money and has to somewhat abide by the laws of the European Union rules and regulation.

Too bad Americans like you constantly put America down cause we have a Democratic Black President. Your partisanship is bleeding through these threads.

You missed the point. But in the process you revealed a few things about yourself.




viewtopic.php?f=8&t=94454&hilit=poll+racism

I'm no spineless Liberal who let's Neanderthal thinkers like yourself spout out mind numbing slogans. I'm a full blooded Socialist who has seen the last 3 decades of the working class families being sucked dry by trickle down economics being forced fed by the elite in America.

[kuthoer]

The intellectual leadership of this cult follow the teachings of a vegan French Hindu mystic named Savitri Devi. They don't disclose this because they are following an alliance-building strategy and have found they can make the easiest inroads among evangelical Christians as they were a largely unpoliticized faction for most of American history (until the '76 presidential election).

Savitri Devi was briefly brought to America in the 1950s by the head of a New York PR firm, H. Keith Thompson. Much of the Devis growth strategy involves marketing conspiracy theories to low-information voters (but none of the usual lunatics like Jesse Ventura and Alex Jones have the aristocratic breeding that Thompson, or Lawrence Dennis, or Willis Carto, or Dr. Pierce, have/had so I suspect they're just unwitting Devi dupes). I personally know for a fact that Ferry County in Washington state was considered virtually off-limits to the feds in the 80s because local government had essentially been co-opted (this is one county over from where the Silent Brotherhood operated until they were wiped out in a Bundy-esque battle with the National Guard). Any use of "signaling words" (i.e. "constitutional rights") in very remote, western counties like that are usually a sure bet.

The whole thing is so convoluted that its simply over the head of media like CNN and the AP to report it because you need a historian, not a journalist, to write these. It's the Lyndon Larouche organization with 10x the resources but 1/10th the public awareness.

Well said Saxi.

[warmonger1981]

Saxi. I just heard Mr.Bundy say he never said those words in that way. There is no audio of him saying that. You must be quoting the same paper just caught photo shopping Russian troops in Ukraine. I hear they had to retract those photos and apologized on page 9 of their paper.If Mr.Bundy is so wrong why are politicians taking a second look at the Feds and BLM and state rights?

[saxitoxin]

Saxi. I just heard Mr.Bundy say he never said those words in that way. There is no audio of him saying that. You must be quoting the same paper just caught photo shopping Russian troops in Ukraine. I hear they had to retract those photos and apologized on page 9 of their paper.If Mr.Bundy is so wrong why are politicians taking a second look at the Feds and BLM and state rights?

Well he just called into the Alex Jones Show (of course) this afternoon and repeated the slave thing, so if he didn't say it before he sure said it today. Audio here:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/24 ... ime/199010

[saxitoxin]

Actually, Bundy's comments - specifically the slave thing - are doubly interesting in a way the doltish New York Times or the idiots at CNN will never connect. What he said was essentially identical to what Dr. William Pierce - whom I referenced in my previous post - recorded in one of his sermons in the late 90s, which can be listened to here:

https://ia700209.us.archive.org/17/item ... lavery.mp3

I knew it sounded familiar but just now made the connection after searching the recesses of my brain. This is a complete giveaway that Bundy is a foot soldier, though possibly an unwitting one being run through a front group. (Pierce, BTW, is better known as author of the Turner Diaries, which Tim McVeigh was carrying with him after the OKC bombing.)

And here's a picture of Savitri Devi (on the far right with the bangles) taken from her website (savitridevi.org) with COL Hans-Ulrich Rudel, a WW2 Luftwaffe pilot who was once arrested by the so-called "West German" government on suspicion he was an officer in the ODESSA Network, though it was never proved; he is known to have been visited in Berlin by H. Keith Thompson at least once -

[warmonger1981]

Ok 1/2 ain't bad.

[chang50]

Turns out Bundy is a sinister wackjob and not just a conscientious objector advocating states rights..who could have guessed lol.

[kuthoer]

Republicans supporters of Bundy are now running for the doors.

Maybe Bundy will now discuss his views on Jews now.