School Shootings...what will Conservatives do?

[oVo]

May 4, 1970: Four students are killed and nine wounded when National Guard soldiers attempt to control an antiwar demonstration at Ohio's Kent State University.

The students killed at Kent State weren't participants in the demonstrations and 11 days later 2 students were killed and 12 wounded when Mississippi State Police opened fire on a dormitory at Jackson State University shortly after midnight.

Intolerant Christians in Mississippi like their guns, but tended to use bombs in Birmingham as well.

September 1999 had a Baptist Church shooting spree in Ft. Worth, Texas.

white shooter = mentally unstable
black shooter = product of their environment
Muslim shooter = terrorist

[Phatscotty]

As I mentioned in my previous post, PS, the kid that shot his classmate at Reynolds was an upstanding member and deacon of his Mormon church.

Is that good enough?

Well, yeah, I admit too that is a question I asked in other places months ago. I guess that's one. I wasn't only asking to make a point, I was hoping someone could correct me or at least find out how long it's been since someone like that did something like that, in which I mean, would go to church on the regular and actively followed the Bible, and then senselessly murder by shooting a bunch of people.

Before this one I hadn't got any answers, only a guess of 'Waco', but I don't think that qualifies as a mass shooting, unless you're talkin about Clinton

oh yeah, sorry I haven't delved into this story, but how many people did this guy/couple kill? and was it senseless?

[Dukasaur]

When was the last time a religious Christian went on a murder spree in America? Why are all the murderers vapid secular Progressives? Things that make ya go hmmmmmmmmm

https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120403214210AAzECUj

What percentage of U.S. serial killers are/were Christians?
(: curiouser and curiouser..
Update : "Nearly all serial killers are very devout men who were raised by members of Pentecostal sects, fundamentalist Catholics or were 'hard-shell' Baptists and Methodists."

Studies after study show serial killers are a product of this environment, not genetics."
Update 2: "Nearly all serial killers are very devout men who were raised by members of Pentecostal sects, fundamentalist Catholics or were 'hard-shell' Baptists and Methodists."

Studies after study show serial killers are a product of this environment, not genetics."

Bruce Lee murdered 26 people. The Flint Journal article says "Bible reading was his only consolations" and he quoted the bible saying "Matthew 6, verse 24 no servant can be a serve of two masters."

David Berkowitz (Corbis) called the SON OF SAM, murdered more than 10 women. The newspaper said "He called himself a born again Christian"

Berwid The article in the Flint Journal quotes him "I was searching the bible and soul searching and I decided God wanted me to do that."

The Yorkshire Rapier "was on a divine mission and felt he had been chosen to hear the word of GOD (JESUS)." Reported the Flint Journal. He murdered 11 girls.

Miller a serial killer had that thing called faith, believed in Jesus. The Flint Journal article says he was always carrying the Bible.

Sampson Kanderayi, a mass murderer called The Ax Killer, killed more than 30 people. The newspaper reported "he did it to appease evil spirits." He was a Christian

Watts, The Sunday Morning Slasher killed 11 women. This article says he did it "to eliminate evil spirits".

[Ray Rider]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

And what would you suggest for a country like ours here in Canada where we lean considerably farther to the left socially and especially in our gun laws, yet we still continue to have mass shootings?

Here's a shot from the funeral procession in Moncton a few days ago to remember the police who were slain in the most recent shooting:

Click image to enlarge.

[DaGip]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

And what would you suggest for a country like ours here in Canada where we lean considerably farther to the left socially and especially in our gun laws, yet we still continue to have mass shootings?

Here's a shot from the funeral procession in Moncton a few days ago to remember the police who were slain in the most recent shooting:

Click image to enlarge.

Canada is not liberal enough. If you read The Liberal Agenda thread, you will get my view of what needs to be done.

[notyou2]

Nothing.

They will let your little children die.

Thanks, Conservatives! You guys are swell!

And what will you liberals do?

Take guns from law abiding people so only criminals will have guns! You guys are Super Swell!

Every murderer and criminal was a law abiding citizen at one point.

[a6mzero]

Over 16,000 gun deaths in the US last year. Approx 400 deaths caused by blunt instruments ( I suppose a brick would be one of those). Based on those numbers I would rather take my chances with a guy carrying a brick than an AK47.

[Phatscotty]

As I mentioned in my previous post, PS, the kid that shot his classmate at Reynolds was an upstanding member and deacon of his Mormon church.

Is that good enough?

Well, yeah, I admit too that is a question I asked in other places months ago. I guess that's one. I wasn't only asking to make a point, I was hoping someone could correct me or at least find out how long it's been since someone like that did something like that, in which I mean, would go to church on the regular and actively followed the Bible, and then senselessly murder by shooting a bunch of people.

Before this one I hadn't got any answers, only a guess of 'Waco', but I don't think that qualifies as a mass shooting, unless you're talkin about Clinton

oh yeah, sorry I haven't delved into this story, but how many people did this guy/couple kill? and was it senseless?

K so it was 3 people that he/they killed. And I'm wondering if devout Mormons have tattoos all over their body like this guy? And it doesn't look like it was so senseless. He was supposed to turn himself into jail, and decided he didn't want to go strongly enough that he'd rather kill himself, and he took it out on police

and I seriously doubt the idea that anyone who would try to look like the joker would carry strong religious beliefs, given the Joker is so clearly an agent of satan. Trust me, I know.

[a6mzero]

Speaking of agents of satan. Based on his look and his actions Ted Cruz is one of Lucifers righthand men. No pun intended lol

[Phatscotty]

and the troll trophy goes to.....

Speaking of agents of satan. Based on his look and his actions Ted Cruz is one of Lucifers righthand men. No pun intended lol

[KoolBak]

As I mentioned in my previous post, PS, the kid that shot his classmate at Reynolds was an upstanding member and deacon of his Mormon church.

Is that good enough?

Well, yeah, I admit too that is a question I asked in other places months ago. I guess that's one. I wasn't only asking to make a point, I was hoping someone could correct me or at least find out how long it's been since someone like that did something like that, in which I mean, would go to church on the regular and actively followed the Bible, and then senselessly murder by shooting a bunch of people.

Before this one I hadn't got any answers, only a guess of 'Waco', but I don't think that qualifies as a mass shooting, unless you're talkin about Clinton

oh yeah, sorry I haven't delved into this story, but how many people did this guy/couple kill? and was it senseless?

K so it was 3 people that he/they killed. And I'm wondering if devout Mormons have tattoos all over their body like this guy? And it doesn't look like it was so senseless. He was supposed to turn himself into jail, and decided he didn't want to go strongly enough that he'd rather kill himself, and he took it out on police

and I seriously doubt the idea that anyone who would try to look like the joker would carry strong religious beliefs, given the Joker is so clearly an agent of satan. Trust me, I know.

Dude...not sure what you're looking up, but......he was 15....no tattoos...he killed ONE person.....nothing about "supposed to turn into police".....are we discussing the same story? His priest (or whatever they're called) went on and on about what a fine upstanding church member / young man of god he was. Does the number of kills really matter?

[Phatscotty]

only a little, since it takes 3 to make it a mass shooting. Maybe I did follow the wrong story. I thought we were talking about the guy who killed some cops

[TA1LGUNN3R]

1. Enact eminent domain on all firearms in the US
2. Pay the American Citizens a "fair price" for their weapons
3. Part of this "fair price" agreement, for those that still want a weapon, would be a voucher for a smart gun
4. Failure to comply would make you a terrorist and an enemy of the state to be punished accordingly

This sound eerily familiar. Your best solution is to appropriate the tactics which killed off the Amerinds in the 19th century and many of the European Jews of the 20th century? I'm glad you don't have any legislative capacity.

-TG

[notyou2]

As I mentioned in my previous post, PS, the kid that shot his classmate at Reynolds was an upstanding member and deacon of his Mormon church.

Is that good enough?

Well, yeah, I admit too that is a question I asked in other places months ago. I guess that's one. I wasn't only asking to make a point, I was hoping someone could correct me or at least find out how long it's been since someone like that did something like that, in which I mean, would go to church on the regular and actively followed the Bible, and then senselessly murder by shooting a bunch of people.

Before this one I hadn't got any answers, only a guess of 'Waco', but I don't think that qualifies as a mass shooting, unless you're talkin about Clinton

The guy in Moncton that shot 5 RCMP officers 10 days ago, killing 3 of them, was from a very devout family. He attended church regularly until recently. I believe he was a Catholic but I am not certain of that.

[DaGip]

1. Enact eminent domain on all firearms in the US
2. Pay the American Citizens a "fair price" for their weapons
3. Part of this "fair price" agreement, for those that still want a weapon, would be a voucher for a smart gun
4. Failure to comply would make you a terrorist and an enemy of the state to be punished accordingly

This sound eerily familiar. Your best solution is to appropriate the tactics which killed off the Amerinds in the 19th century and many of the European Jews of the 20th century? I'm glad you don't have any legislative capacity.

-TG

Legislative Capacity is reserved for those that believe in democracy; I believe in a Communist Empire. Emperors do not need the "legislative capacity" of which you have been brainwashed to believe that you and any other citizen have democratic control over. The days of the "perfect utopian democracy" are dead. Have been dead for quite some time.

I would not kill off any Jewish populations or Amerinds...this is just a failed attempt to brand my point of view as racist. It is not. Bluntly, I believe there should be a totalitarian emperor with the appropriate vision for the world. Why is this so wrong? Your "democracy" is too slow to act to a fast moving world reality when it comes to the issues that are on the current plate of the body politic. Obama is trying to stay ahead of the game, but the conservatives are stopping him from moving forward...thusly, a school shooting every week or so. That's okay. That's normal here in America. Our legislative capacity is full of old nay-sayers and Constitution worshipers.

Anyway, this isn't about me. This idea is bigger than you and I, and I do not plan on running for any type of legislative branch. Don't worry about me. But my ideas will always stick around, and eventually you will see the wisdom of my beliefs.

I don't want anyone to die, on the contrary, I want the exact opposite. I want everyone to LIVE! And by living, I mean in the best possible sense that our government, medicine, and technology can offer.

But as long as we are involved in wars around the planet and stirring up American resentment, we will never succeed at this.

What I want?

I want you and your children to inherit and grow up in a world where you can live 200, 300, 500,...even a 1,000 years! I want you to LIVE! NOT DIE!

This is the new Empire evolving, and it is one that voting can't create and cannot create. The democratic process is too slow; therefore, America is doomed and the first nation to succeed at controlling the world will be the one to offer the citizens thereafter such a life and such a world.

Russia and China (and those countries that join them) will be part of this New World Empire. America will be on the wrong end of history...no one will remember that we ever existed. We will be a myth or a legend like Atlantis or Troy if we do not seize the opportunity now for empire.

If what I say makes you feel ill, it is because it is the naked truth of the state of the evolving world.

The Old World is dying and a New World is being born.

[patches70]

Now that's a whole lot of delusion right there.

It's funny, because if you wanted your vision of the world to come true, then you best have a lot of guns. Because that's the only way to force everyone to conform. By force.

"Join us and you can live forever!" Hahahahahaha! Only a fool would buy that noise.

[DaGip]

Now that's a whole lot of delusion right there.

It's funny, because if you wanted your vision of the world to come true, then you best have a lot of guns. Because that's the only way to force everyone to conform. By force.

"Join us and you can live forever!" Hahahahahaha! Only a fool would buy that noise.

Better a fool in heaven...

Funny things these "guns" you speak. Many more things in this world than "guns".

[patches70]

Well, you've given yourself away. You've gone too far. There is no way you believe the drivel you are spouting. So why are you spouting it?
An elaborate trolling?

Yeah, when you start with the utopia bullshit, the same bullshit that's been spouted time and time again since the beginning of politic and civilization, you show yourself for what you are.

So by all means, best of luck with your trolling! Maybe someone will take you seriously and get bent out of shape. You've brought a smile to my face and for that I thank you, good sir. Be about it and best of luck! You know, Pimpdave can probably give you a lot of really good pointers on how to run a better trolling. Lord knows you need the guidance. 'Cause this one ain't so good. If you really put some effort into it you should be able to do quite a bit better.

2/10

[TA1LGUNN3R]

1. Enact eminent domain on all firearms in the US
2. Pay the American Citizens a "fair price" for their weapons
3. Part of this "fair price" agreement, for those that still want a weapon, would be a voucher for a smart gun
4. Failure to comply would make you a terrorist and an enemy of the state to be punished accordingly

This sound eerily familiar. Your best solution is to appropriate the tactics which killed off the Amerinds in the 19th century and many of the European Jews of the 20th century? I'm glad you don't have any legislative capacity.

-TG

Legislative Capacity is reserved for those that believe in democracy; I believe in a Communist Empire. Emperors do not need the "legislative capacity" of which you have been brainwashed to believe that you and any other citizen have democratic control over. The days of the "perfect utopian democracy" are dead. Have been dead for quite some time.

I would not kill off any Jewish populations or Amerinds...this is just a failed attempt to brand my point of view as racist. It is not. Bluntly, I believe there should be a totalitarian emperor with the appropriate vision for the world. Why is this so wrong? Your "democracy" is too slow to act to a fast moving world reality when it comes to the issues that are on the current plate of the body politic. Obama is trying to stay ahead of the game, but the conservatives are stopping him from moving forward...thusly, a school shooting every week or so. That's okay. That's normal here in America. Our legislative capacity is full of old nay-sayers and Constitution worshipers.

Anyway, this isn't about me. This idea is bigger than you and I, and I do not plan on running for any type of legislative branch. Don't worry about me. But my ideas will always stick around, and eventually you will see the wisdom of my beliefs.

I don't want anyone to die, on the contrary, I want the exact opposite. I want everyone to LIVE! And by living, I mean in the best possible sense that our government, medicine, and technology can offer.

But as long as we are involved in wars around the planet and stirring up American resentment, we will never succeed at this.

What I want?

I want you and your children to inherit and grow up in a world where you can live 200, 300, 500,...even a 1,000 years! I want you to LIVE! NOT DIE!

This is the new Empire evolving, and it is one that voting can't create and cannot create. The democratic process is too slow; therefore, America is doomed and the first nation to succeed at controlling the world will be the one to offer the citizens thereafter such a life and such a world.

Russia and China (and those countries that join them) will be part of this New World Empire. America will be on the wrong end of history...no one will remember that we ever existed. We will be a myth or a legend like Atlantis or Troy if we do not seize the opportunity now for empire.

If what I say makes you feel ill, it is because it is the naked truth of the state of the evolving world.

The Old World is dying and a New World is being born.

My implication wasn't that you were a racist, but just plain crazy and an authoritarian, which you've stated yourself. At least you're honest.

I'm all for living 1000 years... I just don't think that installing an absolute dictator will achieve that. In fact, I'm of the opinion that an absolute dictator would actively work against unnaturally long life spans. You can't rule a populace that doesn't die and doesn't fear death. Fear is the only thing that legitimatizes gov't.

And anyway, the whole point of democracy is that it is cumbersome and lengthy. That's a good thing. God-emperors whose edicts are immediately acted upon without discussion are inevitably brutal by necessity. Try studying some history.

Or, carry on trolling. It is amusing.

-TG

[mrswdk]

Russia and China are not going to be uniting into any kind of 'new empire', have no fear.

[KoolBak]

only a little, since it takes 3 to make it a mass shooting. Maybe I did follow the wrong story. I thought we were talking about the guy who killed some cops

Sorry PS....the thread was originally about the shooting at the school in Gresham, OR near where I live....I was referencing that...my bad ;o)

[Dukasaur]

only a little, since it takes 3 to make it a mass shooting. Maybe I did follow the wrong story. I thought we were talking about the guy who killed some cops

Sorry PS....the thread was originally about the shooting at the school in Gresham, OR near where I live....I was referencing that...my bad ;o)

You not bad. That was what the thread was about. Notyou2 went on a side trip, and Phatscotty followed him and got confused...

[macbone]

These acts are terrible, and even one school shooting is too much, but gun deaths are actually on the decline in the United States, at least as of May 2013: Pew Research - Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware.



We have a similar phenomenon here in Hong Kong, a general belief that crime is increasing coupled with declining crime statistics.

Here's another source from the Harvard Kennedy School's Shorenstein Center: http://journalistsresource.org/studies/ ... h-roundup#. This page has quite a number of different studies on shooting deaths.

This article from the Journal of American Academy of Psychiatry and the Law may be of interest: The “Pseudocommando” Mass Murderer: Part I, The Psychology of Revenge and Obliteration

The term pseudocommando was used by Dietz in 1986 to describe a type of mass murderer who plans his actions “after long deliberation” (Ref. 3, p 482). The pseudocommando often kills indiscriminately in public during the daytime, but may also kill family
members and a “pseudo-community” he believes has mistreated him. He comes prepared with a powerful arsenal of weapons and has no escape planned. He appears to be driven by strong feelings of anger and resentment, in addition to having a paranoid character. Such persons are “collectors of injustice” who nurture their wounded narcissism and retreat into a fantasy life of violence and revenge. Mullen described the results of his detailed personal evaluations of five pseudocommando mass murderers who were
caught before they could kill themselves or be killed. He noted that the massacres were often well planned (i.e., the offender did not “snap”), with the offenders arriving at the crime scene heavily armed, often in camouflage or warrior gear, and that they appeared to be pursuing a highly personal agenda of payback to an uncaring, rejecting world. Both Mullen and Dietz have described this type of offender as a suspicious grudge holder who is preoccupied with firearms.

Mass killings by such individuals are not new, nor did they begin in the 1960s with Charles Whitman. The news media tend to suggest that the era of mass public killings was ushered in by Whitman atop the tower at the University of Texas at Austin and have become “a part of American life in recent decades.” Research indicates that the news media have heavily influenced the public perception of mass murder, particularly the erroneous assertion that its incidence is increasing. Furthermore, it is typically the high-
profile cases that represent the most widely publicized, yet least representative mass killings. As an example that such mass murderers have existed long before Whitman, consider a notorious case, the Bath School disaster of 1927, now long forgotten by most. Andrew Kehoe lived in Michigan in the late 1920s. He struggled with serious financial problems, and his wife suffered from tuberculosis. He appeared to focus his unhappiness and resentment on a local town conflict having to do with a property tax being
levied on a school building. After becoming utterly overwhelmed with resentment and hatred, Kehoe killed his wife, set his farm ablaze, and killed some 45 individuals by setting off a bomb in the school build- ing. Kehoe himself was killed in the blast, but he left
a final communication on a wooden sign outside his property that read: “Criminals are made, not born”—a statement suggestive of externalization of blame and long-held grievance.

Here's an article from The Southwest Journal of Criminal Science: Hegemonic Masculinity and Mass Murderers in the United States

According to this one, there's no unique psychological profile that fits all mass murderers, but they tend to be angry, and in general, they're more likely to be white, male and older than the typical murderer. Their victims, too, are more often white (70% as opposed to 50% for general homicide) and female (43% compared to 23%). They tend to have a history of failure and blame others or society. They're paranoid and are often focused on war and weapons. Some suffer from depression or paranoia. The majority have some kind of mental disorder. They're usually either married or have an unmarried partner. They generally share the same characteristics as average Americans (cue David Bowie's "I'm Afraid of Americans").

This article from Psychology Today lists 6 risk factors:

1) severe interpersonal problems or social awkwardness,
2) major job/school difficulties,
3) a major life stressor with a blow to the ego,
4) severe and chronic mental illness,
5) substance abuse and not engaged in treatment,
6) access to or fascination with guns.

In scanning these articles, I found no overt link to religion, although it can be inferred that since most Americans are religious, most American mass murderers would be, too, since they share the same traits as the general population.

[Dukasaur]

Thanks, mac! Always good to see a solid and well-balanced survey appear.