Illegal Immigration/Invasion

[Dukasaur]

Tell ya what, Duk, I'm part Kickapoo, so my ancestors immigrated here hundreds of years before any white man. Not that it makes a damn.
I also don't give a damn if you dislike my writing style. Yes, I learned proper grammar and punctuation in grade school. However, I feel no
need for formal writing styles in an informal setting. And it don't get no more informal than here.
You think I'm an immigrant hater.You are wrong. I think you are a pompous, arrogant little punk. Now, I refuse to continue to argue with you here. However, if you ever get to the RGV, look me up, I'll break out a bottle of mescal and we can continue this conversation. I'll even take you across the
river, let you look around a little.

Been there, both sides of the border, both coasts and points in between.

Although, that was mostly in the 70's and early 80's. I gather it's gotten a little rougher since then.

Although, last time I was down there,in '81 or '82, we were hiking in Big Bend, and me and my buddy Chris said to each other, "Enough of this wholesome living shit! Let's go get some whores." We crossed the border at one of those little crossings that closes at night, and the border guard says to us, "We close the gate at sundown. Make sure you're back."

We chuckled a bit, thinking, what's the big deal? We're just going to get some beers and whores. So, we had a bit of a party, Chris got syphilis, and all of a sudden a pickup truck pulls up, and all these guys jump out. They dragged some guy out of the bar. He was screaming and begging for mercy, and they just hogtied him and threw him in the back of the pickup and took off.

"Shouldn't we help him?" I said. "Are you fucking crazy?" said Chris. And all of a sudden the Estados Unidos seemed like a very good idea. It was a bit after sundown when we got to the gate, but the border guards weren't too strict, and they let us in.

I suppose that's all an irrelevant digression. I just can't help but share stories from the good ol' days. The point being, I may be a stranger but I've been there, and you're not telling me anything I don't know. Bottom line doesn't change. All the problems you describe are what happens when governments try to fight economics. People will earn a living; if you deny them a chance to do it legally they will do it illegally. Goods will move from the places where they're made to the places where they're in demand. If you stop them from moving legally they will move illegally. And so on and so forth.

.. and I'll be happy to knock back a slug of mescal with you if I ever get the chance to come down there again. And vice-versa, if you fancy a vacation in Niagara Falls be sure to let me know.

Well Duk....you attack his writing style? Really? And both of you Duk and Not.....neither of you address the POINT of his post....you just attack and be petty....I am disappointed.

Am I now an ignorant immigrant hater too? Don't tell my nephew-in-law.....When my great great grandparents came here form Ireland, they went through the "process" ...it wasn't easy then either. Should I have made that a new paragraph? crap....

Several of my close friends in high school were knifed to death by illegal hispanics (example).....do I discriminate? Yes....I absolutely HATE white trash, but theres no avoiding them either (think I missed an apostrophe...sorry).

Okay, from the top.

1. No, I don't give a rat's ass about his writing style, but dumping that many words on a page without a paragraph break, and then castigating me for skimming is ridiculous. Of course you're only going to skim when you're faced with a wall of unbroken text like that.

2. Didn't address the point of his post? I thought I did.

3. I don't know if you hate immigrants. I can't see in to your soul. You certainly acknowledge that you come from immigrants, so you've benefited from the fact that the U.S. had an open door in the past, but now you want that door to slam shut, and nobody else to come in the future. How do you justify that? It's like you got good seats at the theatre, and now you want them to stop selling tickets so it doesn't get too crowded?

A large part of what made the U.S. into an economic powerhouse was the steady flow of ambitious new people. Cutting off that flow can only make things worse, not better.

4. I'm real sorry to hear about your friends. That really sucks. Is there anything I can say that won't make me sound like an insensitive prick? Probably not, but the honest truth that I do feel for you. Death for any reason is not a pretty picture, but the death of promising young people is really, really tragic.

Would it be any less horrible, though, if your friend was murdered by someone born-and-raised there? There are evil people everywhere. The fact that these particular murders were committed by foreigners doesn't make them more or less heinous than if a 20th-generation loyal citizen had committed them.

illegal border crossing. For starters it is illegal . Your breaking the law.

The law is the opinion of the parasites in parliament (or in your case the parasites in Congress.) The only qualification for political office is the ability to lie convincingly. Accordingly, natural selection means that the most remorseless pathological liars will make it to high office. Therefore any resemblance between "the law" and "right-and-wrong" is purely coincidental. I know there are some good laws, but that is purely by chance, sort of like the proverbial ten thousand monkeys typing out a Shakespearean sonnet. If you write enough laws you will eventually write a good one, but meanwhile you've written 90,000 bad ones.

So saying that something is against the law, and trying to imply that makes it wrong, doesn't wash with me.

america buffers canada from illegals, lets march a few thousand into your neighborhood

Actually, we do march a few thousand into my neighbourhood every spring, thank god. Without them we would starve. Born-and-raised Canadians don't want to do backbreaking labour like picking tomatoes or grapes or zucchini. They won't get out of bed for less than twenty bucks an hour, and if they do they'll bitch and whine all day until you'll wish they stayed in bed. Mexicans rise with the sun, pick twenty to forty bushels of tomatoes in a day, and what's more they do it cheerfully.

I spent quite a few years driving for the greenhouses. If I pulled up somewhere and a crew of white guys were unloading me, it would take half the day and a lot of fighting about who's doing more than who. If I pulled up somewhere and a crew of Mexicans was unloading me, the truck would be stripped clean in forty minutes and it would be done singing and whistling. Nobody shirked, every man took the maximum that he could carry, and if he saw someone else struggling he's sidestep to help him with part of his burden in addition to his own.

I don't know that much about how things are on your side of the border, but from things I've read the situation isn't much different. You wouldn't have fresh fruits or vegetables without the Mexicans, or if you would they would cost $100 a bushel.

Dukasaur should be grateful . ( Thats liberalism though , They aren`t grateful for anything

I'm very grateful that we have a plentiful supply of Mexicans, so that I may enjoy fresh fruit and vegetables. And I'm grateful that America generously allows us to cross its airspace without hindrance, so we can get more Mexicans here faster.

When my ancestors came to this country we had a process to go through.

Bullshit. Unless your ancestors came very, very recently, the only "process" was to line up on the dock, give your name to the gentleman at the counter, and watch him write it in the book. Until WW I there wasn't even any identification required. They would ask for papers, and if you didn't have any they would just write down, "no papers." Simple. This very idea that some bureaucratic parasite can decide who stays and who goes is purely an invention of 20th century statists.

[DoomYoshi]

I love the "back in the day, your ancestors were immigrants" argument. Problem with that argument is free stuff was not given away to immigrants "back in the day." People came here for the opportunity to make a better life. My father in law was an immigrant and he came here for opportunity and made something for himself. My great grandfather was an immigrant as well, he came with nothing and made a life for himself and family as well.

I think I would be fine if we opened the Country tomorrow if we turned off all the free stuff we give people. I am fine with people coming here for a better life and I think we need a constant supply of immigrants hungry to succeed. I also think the process it takes to come here legally is a joke and makes the illegal immigration problem worse.

Do I expect politicians to fix this? Do politicians fix anything?

Um... the States was settled on free land claims. Obviously you never played the Oregon Trail.

Canada still does give away free land in the Territories; a process unabated for hundreds of years. The problem is now that it's getting harder to find people who want the trapping license and want to hunt for a living.

[betiko]

Blah blah blah shoot illegal immigrants like rabbits.

I do agree with the legalization/depenalization of drugs to cut cashflow from cartels though.

Nevertheless, if these people go through such tough stuff and pay what they pay to smuggle in just imagine how their life is and show some bloody respect to other human beings.

[KoolBak]

You obviously took quite a bit of time on that post Trucker-boy.....I am still disappointed in you ;o(

So much so, that I need to go camping for 3 days just to relieve the pain in my old heart......laters!

[warmonger1981]

Shall we just have an Open Society like Soros No borders for any country. Why have borders at all if they really don't mean anything? Can I come to your country and get free health care, housing, drivers license, government check? Who has to pay for all these people. OOHHH YEA THE AMERICAN TAX PAYER. If you don't live in America SHUT THE f*ck UP.You have no right telling Americans what to do or think. That's the job of the government and phony media.

[Endgame422]

Ok I am not going to quote you here BD but you make some good points. If your plan had specified crossing points where people entering could get a temporary work visa at a reasonable price,(I am also having trouble with that 7k figure) it could work. If it were cheaper to legally immigrate than to do so illegally or at least comparably priced I think that could really change the issue.
Anything that hurts the cartels is a plus for not only me but the whole of North America probably, so I'm with you on legalizing the drugs. Wal-Mart will destroy those chumps if they get into the coke/meth market. If you could take them out of the scenario that would really solve the problem altogether. Many immigrants are simply fleeing from them and everyone is affected by their bullshit. Fixing the problems in central America and Mexico obviously are not as simple as changing a few laws but hurting the cartels(by destroying their market share of the drug industry) can only serve to improve conditions and thusly decrease the mass exodus from that area of the world.
All this said,in paragraph form, I think you would catch more flies(and less abuse) with honey here. Lethal force is just not going to happen. I agree we should shoot the traffickers because bullets are cheaper and more effective than prison but the immigrants themselves are primarily innocent folks just trying to scratch out a living. That's the kind of justice we do not need,even in Texas.

[Phatscotty]

[Phatscotty]

Glenn Beck on Monday said that a confidential source recently told him disturbing new details about the conditions at a border facility in McAllen, Texas. Beck said the facility is holding three times as many people as it was designed to, and progressive Republicans and Democrats are “trying to keep the lid” on the humanitarian crisis, which he believes they created.

“I am told by people who have toured and work at this facility that when they open the doors to go in, the stench is so bad that the politicians that were to go in gagged and backed out,” Beck said. “Things are so desperate right now, hygiene and food are the number one problem. Clothes are further down the list. … They need portable showers and [port-o-potties]. They have no way to wash their clothes. They need food and hygiene care right now. Many of them have not eaten in days.”

Beck said the American people are being told that FEMA is handling the situation, but it’s not. That’s why Beck made what he believes may be the “hardest” request he’s ever had to make of his audience.



Beck said the American people have to make a choice. They could “run down to the border” and secure it themselves, but “that doesn’t fix the humanitarian crisis, and we have to err on the side of humanity.”


“If we’re going to be Americans, a choice has to be made. And we always make the right choice,” Beck said. “As people, we always do. We would rather extend ourselves and see the life of a child protected than err on the side of being silent, still, and [seeing] harm come to a child. … Acting in a compassionate way is what makes us human. It’s what makes us Americans.”

Beck said the tens of thousands illegal immigrants flooding our border “have to be sent home,” but that we can’t stand by while so much suffering is happening “on our side of the border.”

“I’m not talking about, we’re going to send them into our cities,” Beck said. “I’m saying, can we please get them port-o-potties? Can we get them portable showers? Can we feed them? You want to show the world what it means to be an American? Then let’s do that. Let’s put the well-being of others on the highest pedestal.”

Beck said his charity, Mercury One, is going to start doing what it can to relieve the suffering, and that “every dollar” donated will go to help those in need.

“Why in our wildest dreams would we try to help people in other countries by becoming lawless ourselves?” Beck asked. “Laws matter. It is up to the president, it is up to the Department of Justice, it is up to our Congress to actually stand by those laws and enforce those laws. And if you don’t like those laws, then change those laws. But until you do, you have to enforce them. And until they do, we have to be charitable.”

“I don’t know how you’re going to react. I really don’t,” Beck concluded. “This is probably the hardest [thing] I’ve ever asked of you, because I know how angry you are. … I know what you feel on the border, because I feel exactly the same way. But what makes us Americans is empathy. What makes us Americans is charity. When our game is divine, and everything that we do is noble — at least everything we strive for is noble — that’s when we become America. ”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/06 ... -audience/

[nietzsche]

Do you have a mind of your own Scotty?

[Borderdawg]

Ok I am not going to quote you here BD but you make some good points. If your plan had specified crossing points where people entering could get a temporary work visa at a reasonable price,(I am also having trouble with that 7k figure) it could work. If it were cheaper to legally immigrate than to do so illegally or at least comparably priced I think that could really change the issue.
Anything that hurts the cartels is a plus for not only me but the whole of North America probably, so I'm with you on legalizing the drugs. Wal-Mart will destroy those chumps if they get into the coke/meth market. If you could take them out of the scenario that would really solve the problem altogether. Many immigrants are simply fleeing from them and everyone is affected by their bullshit. Fixing the problems in central America and Mexico obviously are not as simple as changing a few laws but hurting the cartels(by destroying their market share of the drug industry) can only serve to improve conditions and thusly decrease the mass exodus from that area of the world.
All this said,in paragraph form, I think you would catch more flies(and less abuse) with honey here. Lethal force is just not going to happen. I agree we should shoot the traffickers because bullets are cheaper and more effective than prison but the immigrants themselves are primarily innocent folks just trying to scratch out a living. That's the kind of justice we do not need,even in Texas.

Sometimes I get the bit in my teeth and run right past my punctuation points and sentence structure.

First let me say I didn't mean free fire!! I meant permission to return fire if fired on. Basically what Border Patrol has now.

We need to seal the border though, with tighter control over all entrance points, for a period of up to 5 years. Use troops as needed.

Process all illegals now in the country. Legalize as many as possible. Known gang members and those with a serious criminal history, fast track to deportation. Hopefully this can be accomplished in the 5 years or less.

Right now it can take 10 years and 10's of thousands of dollars to legally enter the US. Too long and too expensive. With the technology available today, an applicant should be processed in no more than 1 year, and at a cost of no more than 2500-3000 dollars.

Legalize marijuana, decriminalize/legalize cocaine. Weaken the cartels as much as possible.

I realize the need for farm workers. Let the corporate farms put up bond for every temporary worker they need.

Massive fines and prison sentences for CEO's and upper management of any corporation found using illegal labor. Seizure of assets, and closure of any smaller business' caught with illegal labor. No plea deals, someone does time.

No more anchor babies. At least one parent must be a citizen or legal immigrant.

As for the abuse, I consider the source and then ignore it.

What some people refuse to comprehend, I'm not against immigration, I just want it done in a safe and orderly fashion. I'm tired of reading about bodies found in the brush country, some of them there for months or even years. Hell, Brooks county is in debt from the costs to bury the John and Jane Doe's found there. Their budget is shot to hell for years to come. And since they aren't directly on the border, no Fed help for them!

I'm tired of the damage the illegals do to both public and private property. I'm tired of the massive strain the illegals put on our local hospitals.
I resent the fact my taxes must be used in this manner, instead of being used for the benefit of my community.

I'm upset that the federal government does nothing to help, either materially or financially, with a problem that is primarily their fault.

I'm pissed off about all the minor children being sent here from Central America with no escort. I'm not at all happy about the conditions they are being kept in.
But ICE facilities are overrun, churches are opening facilities to provide as much relief as possible. City and county facilities and resources are being used to house women and children. Hundreds are being dropped at the bus stations daily with a court date and permission to travel on.
The Feds are looking into renovating some vacant commercial properties for family/minor holding facilities. Did you know the Feds are predicting unaccompanied minor illegals to number 90,000 this year, 3X last years numbers? And predicting 145,000 next year.

Honestly, I don't have any firm answers to any of this, but I do know we have to find some, and we have to do it really damn quick. Agreed?

[Phatscotty]

Do you have a mind of your own Scotty?

Yes. That doesn't mean I'm the only person in the world whose ideas are worth hearing, and it certainly doesn't mean I'm not going to spread the word when there is an emergency call for charity. Looks like you didn't even read the thing. That's cool, normal for people who don't use their mind. Discounting such a message based solely on the messenger....another trait of a strong mind indeed! WTH dude? Someone actually gives a shit and has the ability to do something to help RIGHT NOW, and you have a problem with sharing that???

Do you have a heart Neitze?

[nietzsche]

I suspect that in your articles the charity thing represent perhaps 10% of the content. You can blame me for reading you posted something that says Glenn Beck and passing do you? I'm still not reading it though.

Voice your ideas instead of posting link after link, makes me think you have nothing else in your mind than that which others say.

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I sense a voice of alarm in in Borderdawg's posts. This is not meant as an attack or insult.

Makes me think (the mere choosing of his name reaffirms it to me) that he's a consumer of alarmist ideas. One thing is the event, the issue at hand, and other all the content alarmist media creates for him to consume.

Truth his, Borderdawg, things will always change, things will pass, we will pass, and voicing despair is not going to change much. In fact, voicing despair doesn't create the kind of changes that are productive and best for everyone. Only those who calmly asses a situation and produce alternatives change it in a good way. And their solutions are the ones people actually adapt as time passes.

I understand the "their coming to my house, country and creating problems" idea/fear. But as Dukasaur points out, you are benefited by these immigrants labour. The reason they go to the US is because his work is needed and paid. They allow most born Americans to live a more comfortable life. Believe me, they don't go there for the handouts, in their mind the motivation is not "oh, I'm going to go there and I'm going to get sick so I can get free healthcare" or, "I'm going to go to the US so I can live of food stamps". They go there to work, get paid and give a future to their offspring.

The American way of life is exported to other countries mainly by TV. Guess what? Producers of those TV content are happily exporting it, as they get a part of their profits from it. This is a global world and immigration comes with the package. If you calmly analize it you'll realize that.

Just as you like to blame Mexicans for the drugs and all they cause, but fail to remember that Americans taught the trade to them, for the production of Opium for WWII. What did you expect? "Do this, it's illegal but we're gonna do like nobody's watching. Now, don't do that any more because it's illegal."

I will recommend to you the same thing I've recommended to Scotty many times. Stop fearing! Stop worrying over things you alone cannot change. Zoom out over yourself, see you thinking about it, going nuts about it. Same thing, day after day. Are you really in control or this alarmist content has taken over you? Take a deep breath. Still want change? Well, you're not going to get it worrying over it, not good change at least. Responsibility means calmly assesing the situation, accepting what has come to pass, understanding it and then taking action over a sober plan with a good attitude. The plan might be, after the assessment, that you simply want to be an example by your actions, not necessarily running for congress.

Be humane. These people that for you are problematic come from a dire situation, don't hand out anything if you don't want, hell, don't even let them in your country, but don't be inhuman in the way you and your border patrol treats them.

That's my 2 cents, all the colour added isn't there to bother, mainly was trying to show Borderdawg another perspective.

[warmonger1981]

Unfortunately the last post was from a person in Mexico. That opinion doesn't count or matter. Thinking these people are all farmers is crap. Just thinking about it and not getting upset is crap. These people really don't know shit about our culture other than from propaganda fake reality brain washing TV. So their sense of America is under a false pretense. If they live in a county that is third world to a country that will give them a living standard on welfare better than a minimum wage, why not just get welfare? Yes there is a better way to do immigration. Nietzsche idea is to do nothing and let it go. Sounds like a defeatist. So BD just sit there and become a financial prisoner to illegal citizens, because one way or another we will all pay and are paying right now.

[nietzsche]

Unfortunately the last post was from a person in Mexico. That opinion doesn't count or matter. Thinking these people are all farmers is crap. Just thinking about it and not getting upset is crap. These people really don't know shit about our culture other than from propaganda fake reality brain washing TV. So their sense of America is under a false pretense. If they live in a county that is third world to a country that will give them a living standard on welfare better than a minimum wage, why not just get welfare? Yes there is a better way to do immigration. Nietzsche idea is to do nothing and let it go. Sounds like a defeatist. So BD just sit there and become a financial prisoner to illegal citizens, because one way or another we will all pay and are paying right now.

What I'm telling Borderdawg is to address the issue from another angle. One that's best for him.

To you I will tell what I tell short sighted Americans: You think you get to get the best of everything? You go make war on poor countries only because you want their natural resources? You think you get to mess with the governments of other countries? It's your world right? Your global world. Sell your goods to other countries, get cheap resources and labour. Well, you harvest what you sow. By all means you can handle immigration the way you want, you can give them wedgies if you want, you need not to provide fake reasons and speeches. That's not what prevent the world from stopping you, it's your guns.

Do something about it and don't be here complaining, blah blah blah.

The truth of the matter is, warmonger, is that by hating another human being you're going against your own nature, and it's you who will suffer it most, and your kids that are learning that behaviour from you.

[KoolBak]

Neiyt....he clearly stated many times that he is NOT a hater of the people...did you catch the fact that his family happily includes latin americans (as does mine as well as greek, french, jamaican and ukranian)? ..we're the original melting pot and the average unmehrukin deals with 6 colors a day with no regard UNLESS that person brings THEIR own prejudices into play. ....its the problem that the situation of the poor desperate people makes....dont be a hater your own self brother

[nietzsche]

Neiyt....he clearly stated many times that he is NOT a hater of the people...did you catch the fact that his family happily includes latin americans (as does mine as well as greek, french, jamaican and ukranian)? ..we're the original melting pot and the average unmehrukin deals with 6 colors a day with no regard UNLESS that person brings THEIR own prejudices into play. ....its the problem that the situation of the poor desperate people makes....dont be a hater your own self brother

I'm not a hater, really, I try to understand that everyone has his own reasons, no one wants to be an ass, no one wants to be wrong. We do the best we can given our situation, our perspective. But from they way he is expressing I sense hating.

As I said in my previous post here, I understand the idea that you guys feel invaded in your own home. You don't have to buy every little thought that crosses your mind, as you don't have to buy everything you see in tv or the papers. You guys sense there's a problem, so what you need is a solution, and it's my way of thinking that you guys will not have a good solution until you integrate all the parts of the problem. Complaining and claiming how it was all perfect in the good ol days doesn't do much.

Blaming others for one's condition of life is a way of denying responsibility.


Now, if all this was a venting of frustration by either warmonger or Borderdawg then I understand completely, venting the frustration is not unhealthy. What I was referring to earlier was when people completely lose control of many hours of their life to certain thoughts, certain obssesions that take control of their life. The caricature of the old man that wakes up every day to pick up the paper and rant about the news, and then talks about it ranting to everybody at the bar in the evening, and then hits the kid because he's on a bad mood, and he's been on a bad mood for years, and then dies of a heart attack, angry at the world.

[warmonger1981]

Last post appreciated. I'm a quarter Irish, German, Swedish and Lebanese FYI. I just don't like globalists assholes setting this country up for failure. Most of the globe has been eaten up by these people. Uneducated people are really the problem. The reason I come to this forum is to try and -understand other positions because I know my ideas can be perfected by another. Or shit on my ideas and make me think twice. When. Ipeople who don't live in America try to tell me how to live, I have a problem with that.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Last post appreciated. I'm a quarter Irish, German, Swedish and Lebanese FYI. I just don't like globalists assholes setting this country up for failure. Most of the globe has been eaten up by these people. Uneducated people are really the problem. The reason I come to this forum is to try and -understand other positions because I know my ideas can be perfected by another. Or shit on my ideas and make me think twice. When. Ipeople who don't live in America try to tell me how to live, I have a problem with that.

I was unaware of such a dramatic tectonic shift. And so recent, too.

-TG

[warmonger1981]

Don't act like globalism is new or not happening.

[patches70]

Bullshit. Unless your ancestors came very, very recently, the only "process" was to line up on the dock, give your name to the gentleman at the counter, and watch him write it in the book. Until WW I there wasn't even any identification required. They would ask for papers, and if you didn't have any they would just write down, "no papers." Simple. This very idea that some bureaucratic parasite can decide who stays and who goes is purely an invention of 20th century statists.

That s not true. At least in the US. I think the first US immigration law was way back in 1790. You wanna take a go at guessing what that law was?

As for immigration laws being a "purely 20th cen" century thing, well that is not true either. The rulers of virtually every nation, every tribe that has ever existed on the planet has had rules about who could and who could not join said nation or tribe.

For shits and giggles, dukasaur, please name just one nation today that has a purely open door policy to anyone and everyone.
Israel will let jews in virtually zero questionsasked, not so much for anyone else, though.
The US will allow any Cuban who makes it to our shores with virtually no questions asked. Not so much for everyone else.

You may disagree with current immigration laws, and that is fine. But just because you think the laws are wrong does not give govern,ment the ability to just ignore or break the laws. There is a process that must be done to change the law. When government ignores its own laws it becomes very dangerous. If the government does not have to uphold the law, then why should any of the citizens obey the law?

What the US goverment has been doing is crimminal, there is no getting around that point except to say "I don't mind about that". If you go that route, then you have no leg to stand on later when they do something later that you DO mind about.

Follow the law. If the law is bad then go through the process to change it but NEVER ignore or fail to uphold the law because that just undermines the rule of law. Today such undermining my serve your purpose or belief but tomorrow that may not be the case. It is a bad road to go down

[Phatscotty]

neitze I don't buy that we can't change it. The problem is at the moment the immigrants are coming so fast, there isn't anywhere to put them, no way to feed them and clothe them, much less process them. Liked the bit about Europeans only having to sign their name to get into America, as if it isn't our main point YES YES SIGN YOUR NAME PLEASE!!!!! Maybe check out for serial rapists and psycho murderers??? It's just bad policy to not give a crap and let it all go, and it may be true that my people are helpless to do anything about it much less give it a minute of their attention in their day to know about it (President Obama has ordered a media blackout of the situation in Texas) at the moment. That's why Beck's pictures were posted. Nobody else has the balls to even report on the situation. And I'm sure you love to hear that because it means everything you said is true. People are dying on the border, but I'm sure your attitude is "oh well, that will pass. the end is worth the means'

They are literally sweeping human beings under the rug. Not to mention the sex slave trade and organized prostitution/drug rings and human trafficking.

Yes, please, just sign the book when you come over. But that's the trick now, isn't it? They don't know whose social security number they are about to steal, so they don't know what name to sign. Yeah, I know EXACTLY how it works. Not sayin these guys were bad guys, but some of the better helpers at my work whose name was ferdinand the first year had the name jose the second year and diego tho third year. They all just laughed about it.

[Phatscotty]

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[Gillipig]

Who cares?

Humans did not evolve in North America, so every single human in in Canada, the U.S.A., or Mexico, is an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants.

People who rant about immigrants are basically saying, "I'm glad that it was easy to immigrate here when I/my father/my grandfather/my great-grandfather/etc. came over here, but I sure as hell don't want to extend the same courtesy to anyone else!"

Fucking hypocrites. You came to the Land of Opportunity, now don't stand in the way of other people that want to do the same.

Who cares? Probably the ones that care about their own and their family's safety, well being and opportunity to get a job. The ones who doesn't care on the other hand must either be stupid or so far up in lalaland that they no longer concern themselves with reality.

[Phatscotty]

A nice little compilation of all the news segments about all the crimes committed over the last year and how some have been on welfare for over 20 and are bragging about it. but they just want to work remember


3 people on the terror watch list crossed over last week


AS IF the rumor about the Dream Act was started by Republicans! LMFAO


2013

[Phatscotty]

Who cares?

Humans did not evolve in North America, so every single human in in Canada, the U.S.A., or Mexico, is an immigrant or the descendant of immigrants.

People who rant about immigrants are basically saying, "I'm glad that it was easy to immigrate here when I/my father/my grandfather/my great-grandfather/etc. came over here, but I sure as hell don't want to extend the same courtesy to anyone else!"

Fucking hypocrites. You came to the Land of Opportunity, now don't stand in the way of other people that want to do the same.

You speak as if opportunity is unlimited; it's not.
You speak as if opportunity doesn't require a set of values and laws and morals and order and respect and commitment and honor and heritage and tradition, as well tremendous personal sacrifice, priceless amounts of labor, and an uncountable quantity of patriot blood spilled over dozens of generations; it does.
You speak as if 20,000 unskilled people can be dropped in your neighborhood, and crime won't rise and there won't be gangs and wages will not plummet.
You speak as if everyone in the world can jump on the same life boat, and there are no capacity limits.
You speak as if 1714 and 1814 and 1914 is exactly the same as 2014.
You speak as if all these people are interested in becoming American
You speak as if there is no such thing as reconquista
You speak as if none of them are drug dealers and pimps and even terrorists
You speak as if Europeans and Hispanics are exactly the same people
You speak as if nobody comes here just for the free shit
You speak as if the people you are talking about are not already burning American flags

We have ways for people to come here legally, and it's a fact the overwhelming majority of Americans are all for that. The current situation is something completely different.

And ya know what;
Canada will deny you into their country if you have ever got a DWI, and if Canada catches you crossing their border illegally, they confiscate everything you have on you including your car or boat and all money.
Mexico will throw you straight into prison with no legal representation if you cross their border illegaly
America does neither of those things and right now is handing out lollipops to people who cross into our country illegally, American citizens right here right now are pooling their hard earned money together to send people who have crossed over our border illegally blankets and clothes and food and doctors are volunteering to provide healthcare (with brown shirt orders if the medical staff speak about the situation they will be arrested by the Obama administration) so I have to assume you are talking about everyone but Americans, otherwise you would be sounding like a hypocrite. FYI I did not emigrate from anywhere, I was born in the USA, and so was my father, and my grandfather, and my great grandfather, and my great great grandfather, and his father and his fathers father as well, all the way back to the colonies. Nobody was here, unless you are gonna argue that the closest native American immigrant to the Atlantic coast was the owner of all land everywhere everywhere.

Don't discount or condemn the entire history of humanity to the PC laws of 2014

There are reasons for borders, there are reasons for laws.