Is hacking the Sony Corporation the equivalent of 9/11?

[betiko]

this is all bullshit. It's most likely just a group of hackers pretending to be north koreans when they saw how much buzz they got from that "lead".
let's say you are north korean, how do you become a super hacker by the way?

[saxitoxin]

this is all bullshit. It's most likely just a group of hackers pretending to be north koreans when they saw how much buzz they got from that "lead".
let's say you are north korean, how do you become a super hacker by the way?

We could simply take what Guardians of Peace say at face value. Which is, they are not DPRK citizens, but are simply supporters of Pyongyang. The DPRK government and people have many supporters throughout the world organized under the umbrella of the Korean Friendship Association.

(I'm not saying this is a KFA work, as they are an informational group, not an activist front - I'm merely pointing to them as one example of the tens of thousands of progressive-minded non-Koreans who silently support the DPRK in cities and towns around the world.)

[betiko]

this is all bullshit. It's most likely just a group of hackers pretending to be north koreans when they saw how much buzz they got from that "lead".
let's say you are north korean, how do you become a super hacker by the way?

We could simply take what Guardians of Peace say at face value. Which is, they are not DPRK citizens, but are simply supporters of Pyongyang. The DPRK government and people have many supporters throughout the world organized under the umbrella of the Korean Friendship Association.

(I'm not saying this is a KFA work, as they are an informational group, not an activist front - I'm merely pointing to them as one example of the many progressive-minded non-Koreans who support the DPRK's struggle against the reactionary fat cats in the ROK.)

just lol. i'd like to meet one of these guys from the KFA for a good laught.

It's just a bunch of teens fooling around with computers and having a laugh because the case got huge.

[saxitoxin]

Barack Obama has announced that the tax dollars of working class families will be used to pay to protect the vast wealth of the multi-billion dollar Sony corporation. He also indicated he would send the bodies of young American soldiers into the meat grinder to defend the profits of Sony corporation executives.

The United States said on Thursday a cyber attack on Sony Pictures was a serious national security matter and the Obama administration was considering a proportional response, although the White House stopped short of blaming North Korea.

U.S. government sources said on Wednesday that investigators had determined the attack was "state sponsored" and that North Korea was the government involved.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/ ... 4Z20141218

When an empire stops using its war machinery to protect its silver, and starts using it to protect its circuses, you know the end is nigh. Bread and circuses are all that keeps America going and the regime will defend its movie producers, record labels, and sex toy manufacturers to the bitter end. They should rename the 82nd Airborne Division the Nicki Minaj Foot Guards.

[saxitoxin]

Greatest rendition of Internationale ever recorded - by the DPRK State Merited Chorus and Central Band of the Korean People's Army. Check-out the RED grand piano!

The Internationale unites the human race!

[Dukasaur]

Peace is my Bayonet, also.

[betiko]

so what is obama supposed to do, spread his buttcheaks and ask the north koreans for round 2? Send dennis rodman to pyongyang to negociate with the mighty supreme leader?
A cyber attack remains an attack, they are also threatening to do terrotirst acts in US theaters if the film is aired. This is simply an attack to the american freedom of speach, this means that authors aren't allowed anymore to laugh about anything? Looks like there was a bit more freedom of speach in hollywood in 1940.

[saxitoxin]

so what is obama supposed to do, spread his buttcheaks and ask the north koreans for round 2? Send dennis rodman to pyongyang to negociate with the mighty supreme leader?
A cyber attack remains an attack, they are also threatening to do terrotirst acts in US theaters if the film is aired. This is simply an attack to the american freedom of speach, this means that authors aren't allowed anymore to laugh about anything? Looks like there was a bit more freedom of speach in hollywood in 1940.

What is he supposed to do? Surrender.

No nation in history has been able to freely threaten other nations without paying the piper. If people don't like their country being targeted, then they can simply choose to step out of the cross-hairs.

The Interview movie didn't just come about. It was the expected by-product of a hysterical environment created by the U.S.' hyper-nationalist culture of permanent war.

[betiko]

what exactly are ou saying saxi, that we shouldn't be allowed to laugh about anything? bah, anyway, your view point on any subject is always trollish, i won't even bother.

[_sabotage_]

Betty,

Is it a couple of kids having a laugh or is it NK, please get your ducks in a row before you start being hysterical about them.

[betiko]

Betty,

Is it a couple of kids having a laugh or is it NK, please get your ducks in a row before you start being hysterical about them.

How is anybody supposed to be sure about anything? You work for the cia?
Saxi is working under the assumption that the NK government is indeed behind this and that it s ok to let it happen. If it s indeed yhe NK government, some kind of apropriate retaliation seems legit.

[_sabotage_]

Do you think that the US has hit NK harder economically or NK has hit the US harder economically in the last 60 years?

My grandfather was a POW in NK. How much of US perspective is based on a failed war and the need for a perceived threat? How much is based on the communist boogeyman? NK is both farcical and imminently looming. It's China's half-witted illegitimate step-cousin that happens to there for Christmas. If everyone says Christmas is ruined, then I guess it is for them.

[betiko]

I have nothing against cummunism by itself, but it seems like no country has managed to be a communist state without being a hard core dictatorship.
I ve seen a travel guide program not too long ago where the guy went to north korea. This was nothing political at all, the guy just travels around the world. Well after negociating for quite some time he managed to go there and had a guy from the government following him everywhere. He was not really allowed to talk to locals, even if he managed to do it on some rare ocasions. The guys were all clearly scared and said they were not really eating to their needs. He went to small villages, but also to pyongyang that basically looked like a ghost town. You could feel the lack f freedom everywhere in those streets with the army/police patrolling everywhere and with people telling how afraid they were to talk because of all the spies. So yeah, forgive me for being so mainstream and for thinking that kim jong un can go suck his dead papa s cock.

Ps: what about Un killing his uncle because he was trying to give him advice? Or killing his girfriend and all her family because she did a nude film?

[thegreekdog]

I have nothing against cummunism by itself, but it seems like no country has managed to be a communist state without being a hard core dictatorship.
I ve seen a travel guide program not too long ago where the guy went to north korea. This was nothing political at all, the guy just travels around the world. Well after negociating for quite some time he managed to go there and had a guy from the government following him everywhere. He was not really allowed to talk to locals, even if he managed to do it on some rare ocasions. The guys were all clearly scared and said they were not really eating to their needs. He went to small villages, but also to pyongyang that basically looked like a ghost town. You could feel the lack f freedom everywhere in those streets with the army/police patrolling everywhere and with people telling how afraid they were to talk because of all the spies. So yeah, forgive me for being so mainstream and for thinking that kim jong un can go suck his dead papa s cock.

Ps: what about Un killing his uncle because he was trying to give him advice? Or killing his girfriend and all her family because she did a nude film?

Seriously though - I don't care about North Korea.

[saxitoxin]

Or killing his girfriend and all her family because she did a nude film?

Yeah, that was debunked, like just about every other stranger-than-fiction story about DPRK. But people only remember these stories, they don't remember the 4-point font corrections that come later (on rare occasion there are even corrections).

It's another example of the hyper-nationalist war culture in the west. The west overtly lies about the DPRK to whip its people into a wild-eyed hysteria so that when the time for war comes there will be less opposition. Films like The Interview, even though presented as fiction, help soften the receptiveness of the public so that when "facts" like "Kim killed his gf" are presented without any witnesses or corroboration, they'll believe it.

If it s indeed yhe NK government, some kind of apropriate retaliation seems legit.

If Sony Corp. wants to retaliate they can go right ahead.

Normally nations retaliate when their people or government are attacked, or when companies manufacturing vital resources are hit. The fact we're talking about state retaliation over an attack on a producer of fiction movies says a lot about the west. Its vital resource is the bread and circuses by which it keeps its regimes in power.

[DoomYoshi]

It may be false, but is it really negative? I mean, whenever we do hear a headline regarding what North Korea's glorious leader has recently done, it is inevitably stranger than fiction.

That's the fault of the New York Times tabloid-reporting on Pyongyang, not the DPRK. For instance, what you just said - "glorious leader" - is not a term used to refer to the Chairman of the National Defense Commission / General-Secretary of the Worker's Party of Korea outside of the bootlicking western press.

Consider this:

1. Kim Jong Il Hit 18 holes-in-one, 38 under par or 34 under par
This is the granddaddy of DPRK rumors. It’s been knocking around for years, but got a big boost after the Secretary’s death last December. Many took to twitter to discuss the issue after his death, joking about his legacy and the effect his death would have on the world’s golf-rankings. However, not a single source has ever been offered beyond “North Korean state media” by any of the articles making this claim: rather, they cite each other. Furthermore, informal surveys of North Koreans themselves revealed that no one in Pyongyang was aware of this legendary feat, unless told it by a tourist. It is the ultimate look-at-how-crazy-they-are rumor.

http://www.nknews.org/2012/12/the-top-t ... rth-korea/

And here is the NYT reporting the golf score myth as fact (among 100 other august western publications):

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/21/sport ... html?_r=1&

Goddammit, saxi.

[betiko]

There was threats to blow up theaters if the movie is aired saxi. Is that just about bread and circus?
You eat birds, and you drink coffees made of snow and your house is falling appart. All north koreans know that you filthy american.

[saxitoxin]

There was threats to blow up theaters if the movie is aired saxi. Is that just about bread and circus?
You eat birds, and you drink coffees made of snow and your house is falling appart. All north koreans know that you filthy american.

Another false fact about the DPRK that was debunked (though at only 10% of the volume as it was reported).

You have turned into the living example of my point.

[saxitoxin]

[DoomYoshi]

i won't even bother.

Most improved poster of 2014 award.

[patches70]

I kinda like the North Koreans. Their lack of a sense of humor is hilarious.

Oh, and don't believe any of the stuff the US gov. is spouting about NK being responsible for the hacking. Not a chance in hell. It wasn't kids just having a lark, either. It was a criminal hack with the purpose of extortion. Sony was given the opportunity to pay a ransom to whomever hacked them but Sony chose not to.

This is more of a hacker mob sort of deal. The object was an attempt to gain money from Sony. NK makes for a nice scapegoat. The list of possible culprits is very long indeed and NK is nowhere near on the top of that list.

[Metsfanmax]

The list of possible culprits is very long indeed and NK is nowhere near on the top of that list.

I like you more when you don't spout baseless accusations without providing any evidence.

[nietzsche]

The list of possible culprits is very long indeed and NK is nowhere near on the top of that list.

I like you more when you don't spout baseless accusations without providing any evidence.

What is evidence anyway, or the type of evidence you are asking anyway, anyway?

A news article citing anonymous sources?

Like those cannot be lies, 3 or 4 levels of made up shit and you are content.

[patches70]

The list of possible culprits is very long indeed and NK is nowhere near on the top of that list.

I like you more when you don't spout baseless accusations without providing any evidence.

Wired magazine did an article just the other day explaining why NK most likely wasn't behind the attack. You can find it easily enough if you wished to look. I guess you don't think that there are lots of other possible culprits besides NK? Are you daft?

All the articles blaming NK always cite "anonymous sources" where as Wired goes in depth and looks at the actual evidence of the attack to come to their conclusion and explain exactly why they don't think it was NK. The "evidence" that it was NK is so flimsy it's not even funny. But you won't know that unless you go to sources that actually know about this sort of stuff, or you can get your news from the NYT who cite anonymous sources as proof if you like.


Chances are, no one will ever know for sure who was behind the hack, except the hackers themselves. I'd go ahead and just find and post the link for you, but you'd still just be a dick about it so why should I bother. Keep believing whatever you believe. I just watch in mild amusement as the typical boogeymen are blamed for whatever happens.

What is evidence anyway, or the type of evidence you are asking anyway, anyway?

There were two particular lines in the malicious code of the hack that the US government would say "this proves it's NK", except Wired explains how that's bullshit because apparently hackers like to throw in false information. Granted, I don't know much about hacking, but I would imagine Wired knows a bit more about the subject than Mets, or the NYT.

For my part, I have to take into consideration that the US government lies, and as far as I know Wired has never lied to me. I can't say the same about the USG or the NYT.

[DoomYoshi]

I kinda like the North Koreans. Their lack of a sense of humor is hilarious.

Oh, and don't believe any of the stuff the US gov. is spouting about NK being responsible for the hacking. Not a chance in hell. It wasn't kids just having a lark, either. It was a criminal hack with the purpose of extortion. Sony was given the opportunity to pay a ransom to whomever hacked them but Sony chose not to.

This is more of a hacker mob sort of deal. The object was an attempt to gain money from Sony. NK makes for a nice scapegoat. The list of possible culprits is very long indeed and NK is nowhere near on the top of that list.

Reading one article and defending it as the only source is beneath you patches.