Americans vs survivalism... WTF?

[saxitoxin]

I really don't know anyone in europe who tries to get prepared "just in case", even from my grand parent's generation who had to suffer the war and starvation.

Maybe they wouldn't have starved if they'd been prepared.

[nietzsche]

I really don't know anyone in europe who tries to get prepared "just in case", even from my grand parent's generation who had to suffer the war and starvation.

Maybe they wouldn't have starved if they'd been prepared.

Exactly, if french women had been prepared with extra shaving blades and deodorant, when the american soldiers came to the rescue they actually would've wanted to f*ck them instead of spreading the story that french women don't shave and stink.

[betiko]

I really don't know anyone in europe who tries to get prepared "just in case", even from my grand parent's generation who had to suffer the war and starvation.

Maybe they wouldn't have starved if they'd been prepared.

Anyway, I can be self-sufficient for 60 days. I chose 60 days because I figured if normalcy hasn't returned by that point it won't ever return and I'd need to Road Warrior it then.

i didn't know the german ocupation lasted only 60 days,more like 5 years!
All the crops were confiscated to feed the german army and people were left with rationalisation tickets, half starving. People started growing disgusting vegetables like rutabaga and topinenburg because the german army wouldn't eat that crap.
Not only people would've needed to stock 5 years of food supply... but also to keep those 5 years of food supply hidden when the germans would inspect your house.

[betiko]

I really don't know anyone in europe who tries to get prepared "just in case", even from my grand parent's generation who had to suffer the war and starvation.

Maybe they wouldn't have starved if they'd been prepared.

Exactly, if french women had been prepared with extra shaving blades and deodorant, when the american soldiers came to the rescue they actually would've wanted to f*ck them instead of spreading the story that french women don't shave and stink.

this is a very valid point. It was a great opportunity for gilette to enter the european markets though.

[saxitoxin]

Not only people would've needed to stock 5 years of food supply... but also to keep those 5 years of food supply hidden when the germans would inspect your house.

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[ConfederateSS]

-----Outside of being America's oldest ally.(12-7-1777..ouch there is that day again.12-7)..Why would France need to be prepared. (Maginot) When America is always there to pull your ass out of trouble time and time again..Thank You Kindly for being our oldest ally. ..Lucky, we even have Mighty Egypt as an ally now..OH YEAH!!! Release the MUMMIES...ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion)...Come on, what the hell where you guys thinking? Lets build a wall-line ..hide behind it. Then rely on those powerful Belgians to hold off the Germans. .Dude!!!

[waauw]

Then rely on those powerful Belgians to hold off the Germans. .Dude!!!

We are merely fulfilling our destiny! The british created us as buffer zone for war

[patches70]

i didn't know the german ocupation lasted only 60 days,more like 5 years!
All the crops were confiscated to feed the german army and people were left with rationalisation tickets, half starving. People started growing disgusting vegetables like rutabaga and topinenburg because the german army wouldn't eat that crap.
Not only people would've needed to stock 5 years of food supply... but also to keep those 5 years of food supply hidden when the germans would inspect your house.

Hey! Those crazy preppers you were complaining about don't sound so crazy in your scenario there now do they?

[betiko]

i didn't know the german ocupation lasted only 60 days,more like 5 years!
All the crops were confiscated to feed the german army and people were left with rationalisation tickets, half starving. People started growing disgusting vegetables like rutabaga and topinenburg because the german army wouldn't eat that crap.
Not only people would've needed to stock 5 years of food supply... but also to keep those 5 years of food supply hidden when the germans would inspect your house.

Hey! Those crazy preppers you were complaining about don't sound so crazy in your scenario there now do they?

How on earth do your "peace of mind" solutions prepare you for that? You might live better for a few month, not for 5 years.

[saxitoxin]

i didn't know the german ocupation lasted only 60 days,more like 5 years!
All the crops were confiscated to feed the german army and people were left with rationalisation tickets, half starving. People started growing disgusting vegetables like rutabaga and topinenburg because the german army wouldn't eat that crap.
Not only people would've needed to stock 5 years of food supply... but also to keep those 5 years of food supply hidden when the germans would inspect your house.

Hey! Those crazy preppers you were complaining about don't sound so crazy in your scenario there now do they?

How on earth do your "peace of mind" solutions prepare you for that? You might live better for a few month, not for 5 years.

There are preppers who prep for 5-10 years after SHTF.

Do you buy auto insurance, betiko?

The Red Cross recommends stockpiling 2 weeks of supplies. So the difference between 2 weeks and 60 days or between 60 days and 2 years is just risk tolerance.

[betiko]

i didn't know the german ocupation lasted only 60 days,more like 5 years!
All the crops were confiscated to feed the german army and people were left with rationalisation tickets, half starving. People started growing disgusting vegetables like rutabaga and topinenburg because the german army wouldn't eat that crap.
Not only people would've needed to stock 5 years of food supply... but also to keep those 5 years of food supply hidden when the germans would inspect your house.

Hey! Those crazy preppers you were complaining about don't sound so crazy in your scenario there now do they?

How on earth do your "peace of mind" solutions prepare you for that? You might live better for a few month, not for 5 years.

There are preppers who prep for 5-10 years after SHTF.

Do you buy auto insurance, betiko?

Of course I do. What are the odds of getting your car stolen/getting involved in a car accident vs US occupied by nazis during 5 years though? And gay zombie nazis in the middle of a supervolcanoe explosion?

[saxitoxin]

i didn't know the german ocupation lasted only 60 days,more like 5 years!
All the crops were confiscated to feed the german army and people were left with rationalisation tickets, half starving. People started growing disgusting vegetables like rutabaga and topinenburg because the german army wouldn't eat that crap.
Not only people would've needed to stock 5 years of food supply... but also to keep those 5 years of food supply hidden when the germans would inspect your house.

Hey! Those crazy preppers you were complaining about don't sound so crazy in your scenario there now do they?

How on earth do your "peace of mind" solutions prepare you for that? You might live better for a few month, not for 5 years.

There are preppers who prep for 5-10 years after SHTF.

Do you buy auto insurance, betiko?

Of course I do. What are the odds of getting your car stolen/getting involved in a car accident vs US occupied by nazis during 5 years though? And gay zombie nazis in the middle of a supervolcanoe explosion?

I bet if you went to France in 1930 and told them, within 10 years the northern half of the country would be overrun after just a few days fighting and the National Assembly would vote to make Petain dictator, they would have looked at you like you were crazy and then went straight back to bumming each other.

AMIRITE or AMIRITE

[betiko]

Of course not. The ww1 was only a dozen years old and the geopolitical situation was a fucking time bomb... Civil war in spain, rise of mussolini and hitler, the rise of the USSR, austro hungarian and ottoman empire going to shit... The germans that wanted their vengence...
While the 20s were all about having fun after the 14-18 hecatomb, the 30s starting with a huge economical crisis was back to reality baby!

[ConfederateSS]

------Yes,I know it was set up as a buffer zone,after Napoleon. So after the Germans marched through Belgium in World War I. How and the HELL ,do the French not prepare/ see that coming the next time!..OH!MY!GOD!...If you would have spent money on Tanks and A BETTER Air Force. Instead of a wall-line. That Planes can fly over and Tanks can go around. Yeah! Maybe you would not have been occupied in the first place for 4 years (Spring 1940-Summer 1944). Besides that,you had Italy to your southeast and Spain to your southwest. You needed a Great Wall all the way around France(maybe the part touching the channel as well). You have to love preparedness. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[betiko]

------Yes,I know it was set up as a buffer zone,after Napoleon. So after the Germans marched through Belgium in World War I. How and the HELL ,do the French not prepare/ see that coming the next time!..OH!MY!GOD!...If you would have spent money on Tanks and A BETTER Air Force. Instead of a wall-line. That Planes can fly over and Tanks can go around. Yeah! Maybe you would not have been occupied in the first place for 4 years (Spring 1940-Summer 1944). Besides that,you had Italy to your southeast and Spain to your southwest. You needed a Great Wall all the way around France(maybe the part touching the channel as well). You have to love preparedness. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

ww1 was the first conflict where airplanes and tanks were used... and they only appeared in the middle of the war or so. Airplanes were just about guys manually dropping bombs with their bare hands "wacky racers" style.
Those were times of huge changes, and the maginot line sure was stupid, but so was the sigfried line done by the germans that could by no means be defended by enough people. It's easy to say a century later when we know how technology advanced from the 1910s till the 40s.
From spain, it was never about threat of franco invading us, but all the spanish communists fleed to france after his victory. That's why so many french are spanish descendants.
And yes... being an island like britain sure is a simpler position to hold rather than being surrounded by enemies. But that's what the EU is about... to put an end to milleniums of conflicts between neighbours.

[KoolBak]

Thot you were sposed to be thrashing on dum rednex, not defending your home

[betiko]

Thot you were sposed to be thrashing on dum rednex, not defending your home

more regarding the schizophrenic paranoia affecting a large amount of the citizens from your country.

at least you make us have a big laugh from this side of the pond!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/04 ... 51810.html

[KoolBak]

Awesome! Hell, I wanna go! Thanks

[tzor]

I really don't know anyone in europe who tries to get prepared "just in case", even from my grand parent's generation who had to suffer the war and starvation.

Of course not. Why should they? How many hurricanes hit France? And when storms hit how much long term infrastructure damages does it cause. It's hard to explain how PRIMITIVE the United States really is. A significant amount of electric power is still delivered to homes via above ground lines. A good storm can knock out power systems for days and sometimes weeks.

Here is the map of power outages for Superstorm Sandy.

Click image to enlarge.

Here is a quote from the Huffington Post.

The longest stretch to 95 percent restoration since 2004 was Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina, where local utilities had power restored to only three-quarters of their customers after 23 days before Hurricane Rita hit and caused additional outages.

It took Texas utilities 16 days to restore power to 95 percent of those who lost it during Rita, according to the federal data; Mississippi utilities needed 15 days after Katrina; Florida and Texas utilities needed 14 days after Wilma and Ike.

New York and New Jersey recovered far faster after last year's Hurricane Irene. It took seven days for New York to restore 95 percent of customers and six days for New Jersey.

This doesn't happen in Europe. You don't have situations where you are without electric power to run your freezers or when your water source may be compromised for periods of a week or more. And to be honest, there is a good portion of the United States where this doesn't happen either (strangely enough no one lives there, for the most part). And no one there worries about having to bug out of your home because of the chemical spill by the nearby railroad or the nuclear power plant going into emergency mode and releasing a contamination cloud. Because you have to really be a LARGE NATION in order to get those rare occasional accidents to happen and be reported to the people at large.

[betiko]

i'm not sure underground bunkers are the best to survive floods though. And I already mentioned this earlier... Europe is much safer in terms of natural hazards, and I do get that you try to get prepared for natural hazards; not to live your life like mad max.

[saxitoxin]

i'm not sure underground bunkers are the best to survive floods though.

Look at these jackasses, getting in an underground shelter when a tornado comes.



If they were French they would have got on their bike and rode to the baguette store before the Tornado looted it.

[waauw]

i'm not sure underground bunkers are the best to survive floods though.

Why not? Unless it's due to a dam breaking a bunker can protect people from floods. Bunkers can be hermetically closed off(depending on its type I guess).

[warmonger1981]

Here's a conspiracy. Maybe its the government sending out propaganda through the networks preparing America for a collapse. If you pay attention, what happens in movies 15-20 years ago has become reality for the most part. Self manifestation maybe. I love a good conspiracy.

[ConfederateSS]

------The War was already 6 years old by the sigfried line. A last gasp of a beaten foe. France was in world war I. Should have seen the the advantage of air power and tanks.Like the US,Japan,and other Great powers of the day.Patton went from horse to tank.Charles Limburg tried to worn everyone about German Air Power,no one would listen. Rommel wrote a book on tank tactics for christ sakes. The French chose to go the cheap route(due to the low birth rate in France,they knew there was no way to match Germany man for man).France chose to declare War on Germany. With the hope that The Line would Totally stop the Germans dead in their tracks. Had France took a different approach. Held the Germans at bay(with Britain's help). Italy would have helped,they did take part of France when France surrendered. Hitler would have called in his chip.That Franco owed him for Germany's help in The Spanish Civil War. Franco wouldn't have wanted to piss off his German counter part. But don't worry,Americans have been fooled into a false Maginot Line of our own. Most Americans believe the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans will always keep trouble away. Pearl Harbor..Then BAMM 911. It happens to everyone. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[betiko]

------The War was already 6 years old by the sigfried line. A last gasp of a beaten foe. France was in world war I. Should have seen the the advantage of air power and tanks.Like the US,Japan,and other Great powers of the day.Patton went from horse to tank.Charles Limburg tried to worn everyone about German Air Power,no one would listen. Rommel wrote a book on tank tactics for christ sakes. The French chose to go the cheap route(due to the low birth rate in France,they knew there was no way to match Germany man for man).France chose to declare War on Germany. With the hope that The Line would Totally stop the Germans dead in their tracks. Had France took a different approach. Held the Germans at bay(with Britain's help). Italy would have helped,they did take part of France when France surrendered. Hitler would have called in his chip.That Franco owed him for Germany's help in The Spanish Civil War. Franco wouldn't have wanted to piss off his German counter part. But don't worry,Americans have been fooled into a false Maginot Line of our own. Most Americans believe the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans will always keep trouble away. Pearl Harbor..Then BAMM 911. It happens to everyone. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

the sigfried line was originally started during ww1, started in 1916. It had been consolidated and continued throughout the years till 1944. The french built the maginot line that was facing it from 1928 till 1940.
It was indeed dumb, but we're looking at it from a 21st century perspective. Warfare just changed completely in that period due to technology.
The German population in 1939 was roughly 67M, while the french was 41M. They have always outnumbered us.
The Italians kind of occupied part of southern france for a short time, but hitler asked mussolini to go f*ck himself, and so he did because he was his bitch.
Franco was his bitch too but he has always tried to stay out of any conflict and just tried to reinforce his dictatorship throughout the war.
France declared war to germany jointly with great britain when the germans invaded poland. The real stupidity there was to declare the war and wait behind the maginot line instead of invading germany while most troops were in poland.
Freakin risk 101 dude. This is like declaring you will gang up on red, the troop leader jointly with blue while his troops are all out of your reach, and you stack on your border and wait a turn without breaking his bonus.... lol