RIP Chester Bennington

[Dukasaur]

linkin park sucks.

Actually, I liked some of their stuff. They sucked when they got too deep into that thrash shit, but they were capable of breaking into beautiful melodic phases as well. Very much like Metallica in that respect.

[riskllama]

yeah, the crappy metallica. anything after ...and justice sucks balls, duk.

[DirtyDishSoap]

How in the world is that grasping for straws? Are you really this dense or just that out of touch with reality?

Again, your argument is solely based on "Scientific studies". To which I'm countering; each and every single individual will have a different make-up with both physiology and psychology. Do you think everyone is somehow the same, and will go about life the same, and tackle solutions the same way? Don't get me wrong, I love science and scientific theory, but it simply does not apply here. There's way too many variables to come into play; emotions, history, psychology, trauma, environment, genetics, illness, etc. You simply can't take into account of every single variable for every single individual, and then apply it as a blanket term and say "End all be all" for everyone. This is a whole matter of opinion, which is why I'm shocked you're even attempting to bring science into this.
Look at this person for example.
Diet
You can bet your ass doctors suggested her to change her diet or she'd have croaked. Are you getting the picture yet? Are you understanding what I'm trying to get through to you?

That's why you can't use a scientific study in this case. It applies just as much as the diet example. There's a simple and bottom line here, and that is again, choice. People make them all the time, despite popular belief. If you're going to deny that, then you're hopeless.

You keep saying it's a choice, but you keep wanting to deny him his choice. It's his fucking life. If he found it intolerable to suffer any longer, that is entirely his business, not yours to judge.

Jesus f*ck, am I being trolled or are people skimming the point entirely?
Murderers, rapists and pedophiles have a choice too, but God forbid we judgr their actions. RIP Ted Bungy. You'll be missed buddy.

HE LEFT HIS SIX KIDS AND HIS WIFE! Would you like me to draw you folks a picture too?

[Thorthoth]

Linkin Park is the thinking man's Limp Bizkit...

[riskllama]

if i had a choice between my step father and a million(s?) $$$ estate settlement...cash, please. thx, dad...you're the best.

[Thorthoth]

if i had a choice between my step father and a million(s?) $$$ estate settlement...cash, please. thx, dad...you're the best.

Totally.

[Symmetry]

How in the world is that grasping for straws? Are you really this dense or just that out of touch with reality?

Again, your argument is solely based on "Scientific studies". To which I'm countering; each and every single individual will have a different make-up with both physiology and psychology. Do you think everyone is somehow the same, and will go about life the same, and tackle solutions the same way? Don't get me wrong, I love science and scientific theory, but it simply does not apply here. There's way too many variables to come into play; emotions, history, psychology, trauma, environment, genetics, illness, etc. You simply can't take into account of every single variable for every single individual, and then apply it as a blanket term and say "End all be all" for everyone. This is a whole matter of opinion, which is why I'm shocked you're even attempting to bring science into this.
Look at this person for example.
Diet
You can bet your ass doctors suggested her to change her diet or she'd have croaked. Are you getting the picture yet? Are you understanding what I'm trying to get through to you?

That's why you can't use a scientific study in this case. It applies just as much as the diet example. There's a simple and bottom line here, and that is again, choice. People make them all the time, despite popular belief. If you're going to deny that, then you're hopeless.

You keep saying it's a choice, but you keep wanting to deny him his choice. It's his fucking life. If he found it intolerable to suffer any longer, that is entirely his business, not yours to judge.

Jesus f*ck, am I being trolled or are people skimming the point entirely?
Murderers, rapists and pedophiles have a choice too, but God forbid we judgr their actions. RIP Ted Bungy. You'll be missed buddy.

HE LEFT HIS SIX KIDS AND HIS WIFE! Would you like me to draw you folks a picture too?

Depression is a nasty little thing, it's an illness. Like I said before, you can be angry at him and also be sympathetic. It's not an either/or.

[waauw]

How in the world is that grasping for straws? Are you really this dense or just that out of touch with reality?

Again, your argument is solely based on "Scientific studies". To which I'm countering; each and every single individual will have a different make-up with both physiology and psychology. Do you think everyone is somehow the same, and will go about life the same, and tackle solutions the same way? Don't get me wrong, I love science and scientific theory, but it simply does not apply here. There's way too many variables to come into play; emotions, history, psychology, trauma, environment, genetics, illness, etc. You simply can't take into account of every single variable for every single individual, and then apply it as a blanket term and say "End all be all" for everyone. This is a whole matter of opinion, which is why I'm shocked you're even attempting to bring science into this.
Look at this person for example.
Diet
You can bet your ass doctors suggested her to change her diet or she'd have croaked. Are you getting the picture yet? Are you understanding what I'm trying to get through to you?

That's why you can't use a scientific study in this case. It applies just as much as the diet example. There's a simple and bottom line here, and that is again, choice. People make them all the time, despite popular belief. If you're going to deny that, then you're hopeless.

You keep saying it's a choice, but you keep wanting to deny him his choice. It's his fucking life. If he found it intolerable to suffer any longer, that is entirely his business, not yours to judge.

Jesus f*ck, am I being trolled or are people skimming the point entirely?
Murderers, rapists and pedophiles have a choice too, but God forbid we judgr their actions. RIP Ted Bungy. You'll be missed buddy.

HE LEFT HIS SIX KIDS AND HIS WIFE! Would you like me to draw you folks a picture too?

Let's use a programming analogy, because that's what the human mind essentialy is; a set of in-born base code(DNA) added with learned code-lines(experiences). In the computational sense Chester Bennington made a choice, an end result to the program, an output to said input. A line of thought for which yes he made a conscious choice to leave behind children scarred by trauma, however. Trauma's, mental illness and substance abuse are known to alter or push the code lines in a detrimental direction. It is therefor unfair to just call him out as a bad person. How much of a choice can you really attribute him when his code has been basically tampered with? It is very hard to imagine without experiencing similar circumstances.

[Symmetry]

Indeed, it's an easy thing to pass judgement on people who are suffering from mental illness. There's an expectancy that they think the same way. It's difficult, and almost impossible to get into their mindset though.

It's as if a healthy person were telling someone with cancer that they should just do more exercise to get better.

[riskllama]

It's as if a healthy person were telling someone with cancer that they should just do more exercise to get better.

that's how i beat mine : cycling 5x week + zumba & hot yoga 2x week. kicked the f*ck right outta that cancer...

[Symmetry]

It's as if a healthy person were telling someone with cancer that they should just do more exercise to get better.

that's how i beat mine : cycling 5x week + zumba & hot yoga 2x week. kicked the f*ck right outta that cancer...

Good for you mate, but I doubt you're advocating it as a cure-all.

[riskllama]

yeah, probly not for everyone.

[Symmetry]

yeah, probly not for everyone.

Yeah- there's no quick fix. Same with mental illness.

[riskllama]

i think some planks would fix that right up, no?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

And i ain't gonna crawl up on no high horse,
Cuz i got thrown off o' one.
When I was young, and i ain't no cowboy,
So i ain't going where i don't belong

[Thorthoth]

And i ain't gonna crawl up on no high horse,
Cuz i got thrown off o' one.
When I was young, and i ain't no cowboy,
So i ain't going where i don't belong

What the f is that? A Linkin Park song? ...lol

[Thorthoth]

yeah, probly not for everyone.

Yeah- there's no quick fix. Same with mental illness.

Sym = stupid. The quick fix is all everyone's been talking about in this thread.

[warmonger1981]

Waauw has a right to say silly computer code shit. Thinking all people brains are written in the same code. Although computer code is written not organic or alive. Genetics and DNA don't behave in the same manner as computers so argument is crap. That code your talking about was tampered with by the suicide victim. So I have a right to call him a piece of shit for tampering with that code with drugs and alcohol and ending it. He did it to himself. The drugs and alcohol didn't kill him so I do have a choice to blame him.

[warmonger1981]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.
















Yeah right. Judge the fucker anyway you want. Either as a hero or a selfish prick. It's America and let's thank God for that.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

And i ain't gonna crawl up on no high horse,
Cuz i got thrown off o' one.
When I was young, and i ain't no cowboy,
So i ain't going where i don't belong

What the f is that? A Linkin Park song? ...lol

LP wishes they could write a song that good.

-TG

[Symmetry]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

[riskllama]

lol, i only do crime when i'm happy.

[warmonger1981]

DSS what I think everyone is saying is that depression is an illness so we can't judge people for their actions such as suicide,murder,rape or pedophilia. Depressed people usually commit crime so let's not judge. Remember you have no right to judge a person for their actions. It's an illness not a choice.

"Depressed people usually commit crime"? You're an idiot.

[Thorthoth]

Who would have guessed that a nobody like the singer from Linkin Park would get a forum thread that's about to break 50 posts.
Life is not so much unfair, as just entirely pointless.