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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby tzor on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:48 am

Neoteny wrote:It doesn't really matter what's in the report.There are already known impeachable offenses


Precedent is already set. You can f*ck your secretary in the White House, Lie about it and not get impeached.

Now what has Trump done again that's impeachable?
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby spurgistan on Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:36 am

tzor wrote:
Neoteny wrote:It doesn't really matter what's in the report.There are already known impeachable offenses


Precedent is already set. You can f*ck your secretary in the White House, Lie about it and not get impeached.

Now what has Trump done again that's impeachable?


The emoluments clause, campaign finance laws, obstruction, and those are just the ones that are out there?
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby HitRed on Wed Apr 03, 2019 9:41 am

The fire to impeach Trump isn't there anymore. It's an echo that is wasting away.

Is the boarder issue still fake?
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby Neoteny on Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:27 am

spurgistan wrote:
tzor wrote:
Neoteny wrote:It doesn't really matter what's in the report.There are already known impeachable offenses


Precedent is already set. You can f*ck your secretary in the White House, Lie about it and not get impeached.

Now what has Trump done again that's impeachable?


The emoluments clause, campaign finance laws, obstruction, and those are just the ones that are out there?


This. Emoluments in particular is a no-brainer. Thses are all things Republicans don't care about, so it's not an achievable goal, but if the Dems were actually invested in politics and not interested in hoping a cop will bail them out, they would be pressing on these issues.
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby Bernie Sanders on Wed Apr 03, 2019 10:33 am

jusplay4fun wrote:Fake Burnie, get your facts correct. The Senate holds the trial and thus decides the outcome of the indictments done by the House of Representatives, called impeachment.

Impeachment in the United States is the process by which the lower house of a legislature brings charges against a civil officer of government for crimes alleged to have been committed, analogous to the bringing of an indictment by a grand jury. At the federal level, this is at the discretion of the House of Representatives. Most impeachments have concerned alleged crimes committed while in office, though there have been a few cases in which officials have been impeached and subsequently convicted for crimes committed prior to taking office.[1] The impeached official remains in office until a trial is held. That trial, and their removal from office if convicted, is separate from the act of impeachment itself. Analogous to a trial before a judge and jury, these proceedings are (where the legislature is bicameral) conducted by upper house of the legislature, which at the federal level is the Senate.

At the federal level, Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 of the Constitution grants to the House of Representatives "the sole power of impeachment", and Article I, Section 3, Clause 6 grants to the Senate "the sole Power to try all Impeachments". In considering articles of impeachment, the House is obligated to base any charges on the constitutional standards specified in Article II, Section 4: "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors".


My dear son, read the fuk I wrote.

Nice copy/paste son
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby spurgistan on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:00 pm

spurgistan wrote:
tzor wrote:
Neoteny wrote:It doesn't really matter what's in the report.There are already known impeachable offenses


Precedent is already set. You can f*ck your secretary in the White House, Lie about it and not get impeached.

Now what has Trump done again that's impeachable?


The emoluments clause, campaign finance laws, obstruction, and those are just the ones that are out there?


Also, Monica wasn't Bill's secretary (she is a woman, though, so you're close /s) and he was impeached.
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby Neoteny on Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:32 pm

And the Republicans at least had the balls to use politics to further their aims. It hurt them short term, but that moment was an important point in the trend of reactionary conservatism we've seen over the last forty years or so culminating in the game show oligarch we have now.

Also, f*ck Clinton. He should have been removed from office.
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:32 pm

I did READ and you were and ARE WRONG, again, Fake Burnie; add 2. Errors #206 & 207, for those of you keeping count.

My Dad said "confine your opinions to the realm of your knowledge." Do that Fake Burn and we would all have to read much less crap. Don't you wish you were intelligent enough to reference such an astute admonition? Again, QED.

And at least I copy and paste FACTS and not offer ONLY stinky opinions. Yours STINK. PERIOD.


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jusplay4fun wrote:Fake Burnie, get your facts correct. The Senate holds the trial and thus decides the outcome of the indictments done by the House of Representatives, called impeachment.

Impeachment in the United States is the process by which the lower house of a legislature brings charges against a civil officer of government for crimes alleged to have been committed, analogous to the bringing of an indictment by a grand jury. At the federal level, this is at the discretion of the House of Representatives. Most impeachments have concerned alleged crimes committed while in office, though there have been a few cases in which officials have been impeached and subsequently convicted for crimes committed prior to taking office.[1] The impeached official remains in office until a trial is held. That trial, and their removal from office if convicted, is separate from the act of impeachment itself. Analogous to a trial before a judge and jury, these proceedings are (where the legislature is bicameral) conducted by upper house of the legislature, which at the federal level is the Senate.

At the federal level, Article I, Section 2, Clause 5 of the Constitution grants to the House of Representatives "the sole power of impeachment", and Article I, Section 3, Clause 6 grants to the Senate "the sole Power to try all Impeachments". In considering articles of impeachment, the House is obligated to base any charges on the constitutional standards specified in Article II, Section 4: "The President, Vice President, and all civil Officers of the United States shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other High Crimes and Misdemeanors".


My dear son, read the fuk I wrote.

Nice copy/paste son
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby jusplay4fun on Wed Apr 03, 2019 4:58 pm

Here is Fake Burnie's post and HE is wrong:


by Bernie Sanders on Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:15 am

The libs won The House and probably the Senate in 2020.

Trump is a moron in the eyes of the majority of Americans and will be dealt with after he loses the election in 2020.

Senate is controlled by Republicans which means Trump will not get indicted.


Fake burnie does not understand the roles of the Senate (who "conduct the trial") and the House which impeaches (or indicts) the sitting President or other government official. Fake burnie, Read the US Constitution, as I quoted for YOUR benefit, AND get your facts RIGHT. Fake burnie is full of fake facts and full of crap, as I already proven elsewhere in this Forum.

QED, again, fake burnie.

SORRY, you lost, again: 151-1
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby Bernie Sanders on Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:16 pm

jusplay4fun wrote:Here is Fake Burnie's post and HE is wrong:


by Bernie Sanders on Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:15 am

The libs won The House and probably the Senate in 2020.

Trump is a moron in the eyes of the majority of Americans and will be dealt with after he loses the election in 2020.

Senate is controlled by Republicans which means Trump will not get indicted.


Fake burnie does not understand the roles of the Senate (who "conduct the trial") and the House which impeaches (or indicts) the sitting President or other government official. Fake burnie, Read the US Constitution, as I quoted for YOUR benefit, AND get your facts RIGHT. Fake burnie is full of fake facts and full of crap, as I already proven elsewhere in this Forum.

QED, again, fake burnie.

SORRY, you lost, again: 151-1


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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:17 am

Neoteny wrote:And the Republicans at least had the balls to use politics to further their aims. It hurt them short term, but that moment was an important point in the trend of reactionary conservatism we've seen over the last forty years or so culminating in the game show oligarch we have now.

Also, f*ck Clinton. He should have been removed from office.



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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby GaryDenton on Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:24 pm

Taibbi used to be smert. Now he is 90% foolish.

Mueller specifically refuted the Trump and Russian-Republican media's false spin about "no collusion."
The Republican media only did the Trump spin, not his refutation.


Former special counsel Robert Mueller pushed back against U.S. President Donald Trump’s characterizations of his 22-month investigation, telling lawmakers on Wednesday that he did not evaluate “collusion” with the Russian government, and confirming that his report did not conclude that there was “no obstruction” of the probe.

“The president was not exculpated for the acts that he allegedly committed,” Mueller told the House judiciary committee, adding that Trump could theoretically be indicted after he leaves office.

“We did not address ‘collusion,’ which is not a legal term,” Mueller added. “Rather, we focused on whether the evidence was sufficient to charge any member of the campaign with taking part in a criminal conspiracy. It was not.”

Mueller, I feel, incorrectly decided he did not have the authority to charge the Trump campaign with conspiracy unless the evidence was overwhelming and immediately all the conservative pundits began spinning.

The biggest MYTH of the Mueller Report is that it found no collusion.

Here is one report on that:

Mueller spent almost 200 pages describing “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” He found that “a Russian entity carried out a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.” He also found that “a Russian intelligence service conducted computer-intrusion operations” against the Clinton campaign and then released stolen documents.

While Mueller was unable to establish a conspiracy between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians involved in this activity, he made it clear that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.” In fact, Mueller also wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”

To find conspiracy, a prosecutor must establish beyond a reasonable doubt the elements of the crime: an agreement between at least two people, to commit a criminal offense and an overt act in furtherance of that agreement. One of the underlying criminal offenses that Mueller reviewed for conspiracy was campaign-finance violations. Mueller found that Trump campaign members Donald Trump Jr., Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner met with Russian nationals in Trump Tower in New York June 2016 for the purpose of receiving disparaging information about Clinton as part of “Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump,” according to an email message arranging the meeting. This meeting did not amount to a criminal offense, in part, because Mueller was unable to establish “willfulness,” that is, that the participants knew that their conduct was illegal. Mueller was also unable to conclude that the information was a “thing of value” that exceeded $25,000, the requirement for campaign finance to be a felony, as opposed to a civil violation of law. But the fact that the conduct did not technically amount to conspiracy does not mean that it was acceptable. Trump campaign members welcomed foreign influence into our election and then compromised themselves with the Russian government by covering it up.

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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby GaryDenton on Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:35 pm

Neoteny, who I hadn't seen here before, gets his facts VERY WRONG.

Bill Clinton received a blow job from a secretary and was impeached.

The majority of the public clearly decided that was not an impeachable offense but something that should have been dealt with in the family.

Republican politicians, dealing with their hypocritical Fundamentalist base very important in their primaries, disagreed. The leaders of the impeachment effort had committed similar derelictions of violating their marriage vows.

As we also found out with Trump, being impeached just means the Senate has a trial where it takes a two-thirds vote to remove the person charged.
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby GaryDenton on Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:39 pm

But why is this 2019 BS suddenly showing up again?
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Re: the Democrat's Russiagate Conspiracy is this Generation'

Postby GaryDenton on Mon Jul 17, 2023 12:48 pm

I wish people would stop adding to years-old BS and making an ignorant refuted thread pop up again.


What ignorant BS from someone immersed in propaganda and not news.

Breaking news: Mueller clears Trump and all associated with him of the lies spread by FNM and gobbled up by the SJWs.

Pic related, its America's partisan left gobbling down whatever turd cocks CNN places in their browser window:
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