Coming Messiah

[degaston]

It's already been shown that much of your reasoning relies on logical fallacies, which you'll refuse to address. We can safely conclude that we shouldn't take you seriously.

BBS, I already won - you're just fighting for sloppy seconds.

[universalchiro]

@BBS: you win too! No one takes me seriously and everyone takes you seriously. You cracked the code! Now tell'em what he's won Bob," you get a week's paid vacation at the hotel in the "Shining" with Jack Jack as your special hotel guest.

[degaston]

@BBS: you win too! No one takes me seriously and everyone takes you seriously. You cracked the code! Now tell'em what he's won Bob," you get a week's paid vacation at the hotel in the "Shining" with Jack Jack as your special hotel guest.

Someone takes BBS seriously?

And just one week? I would have thought an eternity.

[BigBallinStalin]

@BBS: you win too! No one takes me seriously and everyone takes you seriously. You cracked the code! Now tell'em what he's won Bob," you get a week's paid vacation at the hotel in the "Shining" with Jack Jack as your special hotel guest.

0/10.

Maybe now you'll stop whining about your being treated like OT's village idiot.

[BigBallinStalin]

It's already been shown that much of your reasoning relies on logical fallacies, which you'll refuse to address. We can safely conclude that we shouldn't take you seriously.

BBS, I already won - you're just fighting for sloppy seconds.

[universalchiro]

Every generation has claimed the time is near, what makes this generation different that the coming Messiah is near. There are many signs and fulfilled prophecies indicating we are near, here is a brief list of some signs:

1. Israel becoming a nation. Israel hasn't been a nation for 2,500 years until 1948. But Israel didn't have Jerusalem.
2. Israel captures capital city Jerusalem in 1967.
3. Euphrates river will dry up to allow 200 million man army to march from far East. Turkey has built many damns and threatens a water tax to lower countries or they'll stop the flow.
4. China boasted 200+ million man army in late 1980's.
5. People will go to & fro quickly. For 5,900 years the fasted mankind traveled was the speed of one horse, now we cross the Atlantic in hours. This speed of travel exponentially increased in last 100 years.
6. Knowledge will increase. The last 100+/- years knowledge has exponentially increased compared to the previous 5,900 years.
7. One world religion. Pope recently announced that if an atheist or agnostic obey their moral conscience, they'll go to heaven. This has unified all religions under the umbrella of obey moral conscience & heaven awaits you. Bible says Nope, Jesus is the only way to Heaven.
8. Armeggedon will have such destruction that elements will melt, flesh melting, nuclear weapons explains this.
The list keeps going.
9. Falling away from God and Bible. Hate increases towards believers/God/Bible.
10. Reversal of thinking, what is good is thought of as evil and what is wicked is thought of as natural.
11. Another sign of the coming Messiah: The Bible describes in the end times, Israel would be the land flowing with milk and honey. Yet in 1948 when Israel was born again, the land was desolate, a waste land of desert, fast forward 60 years, Israel is the world leader in milk production per cow. It was known that the European Holstein cattle were the top producers of milk, not so fast. Israel milk production is 2,000 gallons more per cow than American counterparts. Israel use to pay high tariff tax for importing honey, but having just traveled to Israel, they have initiated multiple bee farms and now produce their own honey. Indeed the land is flowing with milk and honey.
Bible says, "no one knows the day or hour... when the fig tree sprouts leaves you know the harvest is near". The signs have started, the time is near. Get ready. The creator of the Universe, Jesus, is coming soon!

Another sign the the Messiah is near:
There will be many false Christs, the way to know if they are false is only via the Bible.

Another sign of the Coming Messiah is near:
Scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." The Lord is not slow in keeping His promise, instead He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish in the coming judgment, but everyone to come to repentance. This day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar, the elements will be destroyed by fire and destruction comes. Since everything will be destroyed, we should respond to God's message of repent the kingdom of Heaven is near without delay.

Another sign of the Coming Messiah:
The believers in Christ will not all die, some will be caught up into the air in the twinkling of an eye. Their bodies will remain on earth, lifeless. Their souls and spirits will be raptured up to Heaven. Some believe this to be before the 7 year tribulation starts, some say during, some say at the end. Probably the world will shrug this off as a mass suicide. But maybe the numbers of believers is smaller than we think. The Bible says few follow the narrow way of God and many follow the broad way to destruction.

Another sign of the coming Messiah:
There will be signs in the Heavens. Such as a blood moon. The last four blood moons with an eclipse have occurred on monumental moments in history:
1492 at the time of Columbus discovering America.
1948 Israel becomes a Nation.
1967-68 Israel captures Jerusalem.

Another sign the coming Messiah is near:
The Quran prophesies that there will be 42 generations after Muhammad and the Mujaddid will return riding on Arabian white horses. We are at the 42nd generation! The Prince of Jordan proclaims to be the 42nd heir to Muhammad! This is significant, numbers mean a lot. Jesus was 42 generations from Abraham (Matthew 1)

Some major signs to look for just prior to the coming of the Messiah that tells you He is less than 7 years away:
1. Seven year peace treaty with Israel.
2. Israel builds Solomon's Temple on the Temple mount, not where the Rock of the Dome is, but next to it.
3. Hyper-inflation
4. Famine
5. Plagues
6. Anti-Christ breaks the 7yr peace treaty at the 1,260th day and declares himself worthy to be worshiped.

Another sign of the Coming Messiah:
There will be two witnesses that will prepare the way for the Messiah, these two holy men will be killed for their preaching while the whole world watches and the world will celebrate their death and pass around gifts. But they will rise from the grave after three days.
One of the witnesses will be in the spirit of Elijah, but he will be a unique human being with probably a different name, so when he is asked "are you the Elijah coming to prepare the way for the Messiah?", he will probably say no, I am the voice in the wilderness calling for repentance for the kingdom is at hand.

When will the Messiah will show up? after 7 years of tribulation. When He shows up, He won't be the meek sacrificial lamb, quite the contrary. This coming will be infull glory, Majesty and He is coming with wrath of fire.

So when believers proclaim the Messiah is near, we are saying the start of the 7 year tribulation is near which includes:
7 seals of: Peace treaty, war, famine, death, martyrdom, asteroid impacts, sun light is blocked, volcanoes,
7 bowls of plagues: all hell breaks lose. Demons released from a prison to torment, a large asteroid hits the earth, kills 1/3 of all marine life, 1/3 of all vegetation, etc.
7 Trumpets: even deadlier destruction so that every island is moved, every mountain top is brought down & the earth is hit so hard that it wobbles like a drunkard and splits asunder.
Then the Messiah sets up his Kingdom in Jerusalem. His glory will cause no night time in the area. All sin will be eradicated. Only 144,000 Jews (12K from each tribe) & newly saved people that missed the rapture will be alive.

So if someone is looking for signs that the Messiah is near, look to see what signs have been fulfilled in the last 60 years.

Interesting note: God created everything in 6 days & rested the 7th day.
Jesus spent 6 hours on the cross & rested the 7th hour.
Adam & Eve were created 6,000 years ago, after the Messiah comes, the 7th one thousand years will be of rest.

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[AndyDufresne]

Makes sense, you can't argue with this.


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

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@BBS , I know I'm a fool in your eyes, but let's try to keep this above name calling. You know I have feelings & no one likes being called a village idiot. Its hard enough being a lone voice in the wilderness of hate towards my God that I love so dearly.

Why not keep this above copy-pasta?

Would you settle for the "Village Spammer" instead?

[notyou2]

@BBS , I know I'm a fool in your eyes, but let's try to keep this above name calling. You know I have feelings & no one likes being called a village idiot. Its hard enough being a lone voice in the wilderness of hate towards my God that I love so dearly.

UC you started the name calling by insinuating that your rank means you are smarter than all but 250 other players, and then went on to claim that your rank proves that evangelical interpretations/dogma of the bible are true. Would you like some cheese with your whine?

[universalchiro]

@notyou2: I already busted you on this a couple pages back for false quoting. If you missed it go back a few pages and my response to your same false quote.

@BBS: I encourage your contrarian views, its good to question, just be kind. Thanks. And maybe you and I can teach some of the younglings how to debate respectfully and even though we don't agree, we can demonstrate how to do so kindly and with honor.

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Another sign that we are near the return of the Messiah:
Mankind doesn't repent for it's sorcerous ways. Well what does sorcery look like? The Greek word for sorcery is found in Strong's Concordance #5331: Pharmakeia: sorcery, witchcraft. Its where we get the word pharmacy. Notice reading when Jesus walked the earth He casts demons out of people left and right. Fast forward to today and no one is demon possessed? The medical community has coinedtermonology such as psychotic, skitzophrenic, maniac depressant, turret syndrome, bi-polar, etc as merely chemical imbalances and drugs are used to sedate. Whenever someone has any ailment they turn to pharmacy. Not saying every drug is bad, but when the god of healing is the cadueces symbol of snakes reproductively twirled up a stick, stemming all the way back to Babylon and the rampant social drug use, this fits an end time scenario that society is worshiping a false god of healing rather than God of creation.

[thegreekdog]

Its hard enough being a lone voice in the wilderness of hate towards my God that I love so dearly.

Lone voice?
Wilderness of hate?

Do you not live in the United States? You have the freedom to practice your religion and a vast minority (if not majority) of your fellow citizens are Christians of some denomination or another.

I should not quote from scripture, so I won't, but prosthelytizing is all well and good, but Jesus didn't think well of chest pounders; he wanted his followers to be humble. Perhaps you should think on that a little.

[BigBallinStalin]

@notyou2: I already busted you on this a couple pages back for false quoting. If you missed it go back a few pages and my response to your same false quote.

@BBS: I encourage your contrarian views, its good to question, just be kind. Thanks. And maybe you and I can teach some of the younglings how to debate respectfully and even though we don't agree, we can demonstrate how to do so kindly and with honor.

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Another sign that we are near the return of the Messiah:
Mankind doesn't repent for it's sorcerous ways. Well what does sorcery look like? The Greek word for sorcery is found in Strong's Concordance #5331: Pharmakeia: sorcery, witchcraft. Its where we get the word pharmacy. Notice reading when Jesus walked the earth He casts demons out of people left and right. Fast forward to today and no one is demon possessed? The medical community has coinedtermonology such as psychotic, skitzophrenic, maniac depressant, turret syndrome, bi-polar, etc as merely chemical imbalances and drugs are used to sedate. Whenever someone has any ailment they turn to pharmacy. Not saying every drug is bad, but when the god of healing is the cadueces symbol of snakes reproductively twirled up a stick, stemming all the way back to Babylon and the rampant social drug use, this fits an end time scenario that society is worshiping a false god of healing rather than God of creation.

It's not just questioning. It's about exposing huge flaws in your reasoning. When you do nothing to address that and simply repeat the same errors, then no one should respect that. You're being an ass when you do that. No one should kindly accept that unless you're mentally challenged or are a child who doesn't know any better.

The only way to avoid that--to some degree--is to admit that your position rests on serious logical fallacies, so that only leaves with you the 'knowledge' through revelation + feels good, man arguments. That's all you got.

If you like something because you like it, I can't argue against that. If you continue to hold that the fallacious is true, then that shouldn't be tolerated.

[universalchiro]

@BBS: foed, you're not worth my effort, I have work to do and you're in the way. Shaking the dust of you off my shoes.


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When the tribulation occurs there will be asteroid impacts of Biblical proportions. There is only one way to prepare to survive this destruction and that is not to be on earth. The Bible describes a catching away of believers that today is called by this Greek term called rapture. Don't miss this one time event so you won't have to go through this soon coming destruction.

[jonesthecurl]

Exorcising demons instead of medicine.
Prayer instead of inoculation?

[kuthoer]

I use to be messed up on drugs, now I'm messed up on The Lord.

[crispybits]

Sorry degaston, but BBS wins, he got the "I can't deal with your arguments - foed you!" response first

(well ITT anyway, some of us got it months ago elsewhere )

[chang50]

Its hard enough being a lone voice in the wilderness of hate towards my God that I love so dearly.

Lone voice?
Wilderness of hate?

Do you not live in the United States? You have the freedom to practice your religion and a vast minority (if not majority) of your fellow citizens are Christians of some denomination or another.

I should not quote from scripture, so I won't, but prosthelytizing is all well and good, but Jesus didn't think well of chest pounders; he wanted his followers to be humble. Perhaps you should think on that a little.

Plus 1..is this not the same US where atheists are routinely discriminated against and unbelievably cannot stand for public office in some states?Seems groups that have had their own way for long periods often can't handle it when mildly challenged.In Europe you would be laughed out of court..

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Not saying every drug is bad, but when the god of healing is the cadueces symbol of snakes reproductively twirled up a stick, stemming all the way back to Babylon and the rampant social drug use, this fits an end time scenario that society is worshiping a false god of healing rather than God of creation.

Not really going to engage the rest of your crazy, but this is a pet peeve of mine, and inaccurate. The caduceus was the symbol of Hermes, the god of merchants and messengers. The caduceus is NOT the symbol of healing or medicine. The correct symbol is the Rod of Asclepius.

-TG

[degaston]

Sorry degaston, but BBS wins, he got the "I can't deal with your arguments - foed you!" response first

(well ITT anyway, some of us got it months ago elsewhere )

I'm sorry, I must have missed the announcement where you were appointed "Arbiter of Win". But setting that aside for the moment, did you not see:

@degaston: whatever dude you win, you have it all figured out. You have out smarted even God.

I don't have my "Robert's Rules of Internet Debate" handy, but I believe that achieving an "I give up, you have defeated God" admission from a religious conservative without getting foed is one of foruming's highest achievements, and entitles me to multiple internets. Any a-hole like BBS (no offense, big guy ) can annoy someone until he gets foed, but to beat them into submission while maintaining a mostly civil tone is much more difficult. And when you factor in the degree of difficulty of the finishing move - asking for bible citations? How can I not be awarded a unanimous decision?

Side note: defeating God was simultaneously much more and much less difficult than I would have imagined.

[thegreekdog]

Its hard enough being a lone voice in the wilderness of hate towards my God that I love so dearly.

Lone voice?
Wilderness of hate?

Do you not live in the United States? You have the freedom to practice your religion and a vast minority (if not majority) of your fellow citizens are Christians of some denomination or another.

I should not quote from scripture, so I won't, but prosthelytizing is all well and good, but Jesus didn't think well of chest pounders; he wanted his followers to be humble. Perhaps you should think on that a little.

Plus 1..is this not the same US where atheists are routinely discriminated against and unbelievably cannot stand for public office in some states?Seems groups that have had their own way for long periods often can't handle it when mildly challenged.In Europe you would be laughed out of court..

Atheists are not roundly discriminated against. That as much of a jackass comment as universalichiro's comment.

[thegreekdog]

Sorry degaston, but BBS wins, he got the "I can't deal with your arguments - foed you!" response first

(well ITT anyway, some of us got it months ago elsewhere )

Plus that was not very Christian of universalichiro.

[BigBallinStalin]

Sorry degaston, but BBS wins, he got the "I can't deal with your arguments - foed you!" response first

(well ITT anyway, some of us got it months ago elsewhere )

Plus that was not very Christian of universalichiro.

Actually, UC is correct because he ripped out the pages about turning the other cheek, so his Bible his right, and you and your Bible are wrong. You, No True Christian, you! Or he interpreted 'turning the other cheek' as something having to do with flatulence.

[chang50]

Its hard enough being a lone voice in the wilderness of hate towards my God that I love so dearly.

Lone voice?
Wilderness of hate?

Do you not live in the United States? You have the freedom to practice your religion and a vast minority (if not majority) of your fellow citizens are Christians of some denomination or another.

I should not quote from scripture, so I won't, but prosthelytizing is all well and good, but Jesus didn't think well of chest pounders; he wanted his followers to be humble. Perhaps you should think on that a little.

Plus 1..is this not the same US where atheists are routinely discriminated against and unbelievably cannot stand for public office in some states?Seems groups that have had their own way for long periods often can't handle it when mildly challenged.In Europe you would be laughed out of court..

Atheists are not roundly discriminated against. That as much of a jackass comment as universalichiro's comment.

Depends what you would say qualifies as 'routinely',I never said 'roundly'.
What else would you call six states constitutions officially having religious tests that effectively prevent atheists from holding public office,or in some cases being a juror or witness.If these are not generally enforced currently,why not repeal them in the name of fairness and equality?
Even the boy scouts of America ban atheists from joining.This in the 21st century in a 1st world country that boasts of being the land of the free!!Not my idea of freedom..
You can hardly be unaware of the many cases,as a lawyer,brought claiming discrimination against atheists in areas ranging from child custody to education to the military to local government.Recent polls in the US have results showing greater 'disapproval' of atheists than of Afro-Americans,Muslims and homosexuals.No-one seriously thinks these groups are not discriminated against.I've only scratched the surface of cases easily found on the net.
But if you remain unconvinced,just ask yourself why virtually no elected officials are willing to admit to atheism in the US?This stopped mattering nearly everywhere else in the developed world decades ago..

[universalchiro]

Another event before the Messiah:
No one will be able to buy, sell or trade, lest he take the mark of the beast. But whoever takes this mark worshiping the beast will get the following:
1st Bowl/Plague: So the first angel went and poured out his bowl on the earth; and it became a loathsome and malignant sore on the people who had the mark of the beast and who worship ed his image.

"Loathsome and malignant sore": This is the same as one of the plagues upon the Egyptians as Moses led his people out of Egypt. And the same as the boils upon Job. They had pustulating open oozing boils, that had a putrid oder and were painful to touch, bump or rub clothes against.

Who will take the mark and get the loathsome sores? All those who reject Jesus as Lord and Savior.

[thegreekdog]

Its hard enough being a lone voice in the wilderness of hate towards my God that I love so dearly.

Lone voice?
Wilderness of hate?

Do you not live in the United States? You have the freedom to practice your religion and a vast minority (if not majority) of your fellow citizens are Christians of some denomination or another.

I should not quote from scripture, so I won't, but prosthelytizing is all well and good, but Jesus didn't think well of chest pounders; he wanted his followers to be humble. Perhaps you should think on that a little.

Plus 1..is this not the same US where atheists are routinely discriminated against and unbelievably cannot stand for public office in some states?Seems groups that have had their own way for long periods often can't handle it when mildly challenged.In Europe you would be laughed out of court..

Atheists are not roundly discriminated against. That as much of a jackass comment as universalichiro's comment.

Depends what you would say qualifies as 'routinely',I never said 'roundly'.
What else would you call six states constitutions officially having religious tests that effectively prevent atheists from holding public office,or in some cases being a juror or witness.If these are not generally enforced currently,why not repeal them in the name of fairness and equality?
Even the boy scouts of America ban atheists from joining.This in the 21st century in a 1st world country that boasts of being the land of the free!!Not my idea of freedom..
You can hardly be unaware of the many cases,as a lawyer,brought claiming discrimination against atheists in areas ranging from child custody to education to the military to local government.Recent polls in the US have results showing greater 'disapproval' of atheists than of Afro-Americans,Muslims and homosexuals.No-one seriously thinks these groups are not discriminated against.I've only scratched the surface of cases easily found on the net.
But if you remain unconvinced,just ask yourself why virtually no elected officials are willing to admit to atheism in the US?This stopped mattering nearly everywhere else in the developed world decades ago..

Unpopularity does not equal discrimination (sorry).