Coming Messiah

[jonesthecurl]

actuallyquitesmalluniversechiro wrote
I don't think the universe is thrown away, from my reading it seems the universe is used in the judgment as well. For example: The Bible describes Jesus as sustaining His creation and during the the tribulation, He uses His creation for judgment. Just like He used the canopy of water that once hovered around the atmosphere for an ambient global temperature and then for global flood. I'm seeing the universe will be used in much the same way, now as part of the glory of His creation displaying His majesty, soon for judgement. How? unknown, but I can imagine how a couple of supernovas can propel the Kuipper belt into earth's solar orbital path causing some Biblical problems.

The universe is billions of light years across, the solar system is a few light-hours across. Do you really think god made all that just for pretty, or to knock a few rocks about to fulfill his own prophecies?

[mrswdk]

Haven't you seen the Truman Show? The universe stops just after Pluto, and everything after that is just being beamed from a plasma screen that God put up to fool us.

[jonesthecurl]

Philip Farmer had the same thing in the "World of Tiers" books.

[universalchiro]

@Jones: resorting to name calling, please keep this respectful. God creating a universe that puny man can't know the boundaries of definitely displays God's glory. Has not man built things merely to display his glory, well since man is created with similar characteristics of God, we shouldn't be shocked that God created to display His glory. I believe the micro-cosmos displays God's glory equally as the cosmos. I'm in reverent awe of God when I study or view both.

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The Bible declared 2,500 years ago that when Christ comes water will flow out of the rocks to water the land. Did you know the countries surrounding Israel have reservoirs of oil, but not Israel, no they have a vast reservoir of water. There are bubbling springs of water that comes up out of the ground. Amazing that God reserved the most precious commodity, water, for Israel. No wonder the prophecy spoken 2,500 years ago that Israel would blossom as a rose in the desert near the Day of the Lord's arrival, has been fulfilled within thelast 25 years.

[BigBallinStalin]

What are the odds that UC will actually answered jonesthecurl's questions?

Maybe UC is the multi of Lionz.

[jonesthecurl]

Took me a moment to realize why you said I was name-calling. That was merely a humorous way of reinforcing my point that the bit of the universe you are concerned with is very very small. The idea that the whole of the rest of it is just a backdrop is frankly hubris.

[notyou2]

As for the boy scouts, they're moving in the right direction by allowing openly gay scouts, but what do you expect on the ban on atheists? They're a religious organization?

Since when is the boy scouts a religious organization? Last I checked they accept all religions. At least they do in Canada, but it would not surprise me in the least that America has taken an institution and subverted it with religion.

[jonesthecurl]

@Jones: resorting to name calling, please keep this respectful. God creating a universe that puny man can't know the boundaries of definitely displays God's glory. Has not man built things merely to display his glory, well since man is created with similar characteristics of God, we shouldn't be shocked that God created to display His glory. I believe the micro-cosmos displays God's glory equally as the cosmos. I'm in reverent awe of God when I study or view both.

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The Bible declared 2,500 years ago that when Christ comes water will flow out of the rocks to water the land. Did you know the countries surrounding Israel have reservoirs of oil, but not Israel, no they have a vast reservoir of water. There are bubbling springs of water that comes up out of the ground. Amazing that God reserved the most precious commodity, water, for Israel. No wonder the prophecy spoken 2,500 years ago that Israel would blossom as a rose in the desert near the Day of the Lord's arrival, has been fulfilled within thelast 25 years.

Because of course there are no springs of water anywhere else in the world.

[universalchiro]

@Jonesthecurl, fair enough I accept your response. I'm overly edgy from the hate BBS displays. My guard is up. So my apologies for not seeing the light heartedness of your playfulness. My bad.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

The Bible declared 2,500 years ago that when Christ comes water will flow out of the rocks to water the land. Did you know the countries surrounding Israel have reservoirs of oil, but not Israel, no they have a vast reservoir of water. There are bubbling springs of water that comes up out of the ground. Amazing that God reserved the most precious commodity, water, for Israel. No wonder the prophecy spoken 2,500 years ago that Israel would blossom as a rose in the desert near the Day of the Lord's arrival, has been fulfilled within thelast 25 years.

Or, y'know, that could be intentional? One of the projects of Aaron Aaronsohn was mapping the water sources of Palestine (later stolen by the Zionists) because he had hoped to secure more efficient water usage throughout the Syria-Palestinian area.

It also explains why Israel has been so dickish.

-TG

[Army of GOD]

ugh, another Christian with a lion avatar

[degaston]

Haha, I might agree with you, my most esteem colleague, but what is the difference in our outcomes? UC is unconvinced. Although you've arrived at the same outcome, should stupidity be encouraged? By being respectful to someone who has a history of being disrespectful, then being a gentlemen is counter-productive in this scenario. It's like arguing with racists. Use as much logic as you like, but with nearly all of them, being a gentlemen doesn't amount to anything positive while it coddles them: "Yes, I'm being taken seriously!." Some people need to be treated cruelly for the cruel idiots that they are.

My thinking is that if you upset them too much, it actually reinforces their delusions - "The Bible said they would hate me if I started Jesus threads on a gaming site... and it was right! Wow, God is amazing - he knows everything!" But if I calmly point out the contradictions and lack of logic in what they have been told, then maybe... just maybe, the cognitive dissonance will become too great, and they'll start to think for themselves a little, and take the first tiny steps on a long and difficult journey back to reality. I know it's unlikely to do any good, and some may say that I'm being delusional for even considering that possibility, but I guess that's just my cross to bear. I know it's not much, but I'm just trying to do my small part in making the world a better place. Because if no one ever tried to break the hold that religion has on society, then we'd still be in the dark ages.

[BigBallinStalin]

Your path is fine, and I wouldn't call it delusional. Different people require different means, but some reveal enough information about themselves such that arguing is pointless. Let's see if you discover this after a few pages (or let's see if UC reads this and temporarily shifts from his past behavior in order to demonstrate that I'm wrong in this particular instance).

[degaston]

Your path is fine, and I wouldn't call it delusional. Different people require different means, but some reveal enough information about themselves such that arguing is pointless. Let's see if you discover this after a few pages (or let's see if UC reads this and temporarily shifts from his past behavior in order to demonstrate that I'm wrong in this particular instance).

Oh, I already figured that it was pointless. This one's too far gone. It was fun for a while, but I've got better ways to waste my time.

[kuthoer]

Your path is fine, and I wouldn't call it delusional. Different people require different means, but some reveal enough information about themselves such that arguing is pointless. Let's see if you discover this after a few pages (or let's see if UC reads this and temporarily shifts from his past behavior in order to demonstrate that I'm wrong in this particular instance).

Oh, I already figured that it was pointless. This one's too far gone. It was fun for a while, but I've got better ways to waste my time.

Yes, it's pointless to continue banging your head up against a brick wall and yet there's posters here who want to argue and rant against a religious zealot. Guess some posters here have nothing better to do with their free time, unless they actual think the other side may fall on their knees and yell Uncle.

[universalchiro]

Ha I agree, there are some religious zealots that believe there is no God and have faith that what other humans are telling them is truth.

"For every action there is an equal opposite reaction".

As you argue your belief system, anyone can easily, using your argument, counter.

But within the last 70 years there is more and more prophecies being fulfilled. To discount for example that Israel is a country on a reservoir of water and say they stole the water is illogical. The Bible prophesied Israel would blossom as a rose in the desert at the time of Christ's return. This prophecy occurred 2,500 years ago just after Babylon conquered Israel. So fast forward and coincidently Israel becomes a nation again in 1948 and scientist discover the reservoir of water within the last decade and Israel is blossoming with vegetation in an arid desert. There is no coincidence. I can discount onefulfilled prophecy in a lifetime as coincidence, but not 25+ fulfilled prophecies in one lifetime. Especially when there had been zero Biblical prophecies for almost 2,000 years and then boom, bang, pop the fulfilled prophecies keep coming.

[kuthoer]

Ha I agree, there are some religious zealots that believe there is no God and have faith that what other humans are telling them is truth.

"For every action there is an equal opposite reaction".

As you argue your belief system, anyone can easily, using your argument, counter.

But within the last 70 years there is more and more prophecies being fulfilled. To discount for example that Israel is a country on a reservoir of water and say they stole the water is illogical. The Bible prophesied Israel would blossom as a rose in the desert at the time of Christ's return. This prophecy occurred 2,500 years ago just after Babylon conquered Israel. So fast forward and coincidently Israel becomes a nation again in 1948 and scientist discover the reservoir of water within the last decade and Israel is blossoming with vegetation in an arid desert. There is no coincidence. I can discount onefulfilled prophecy in a lifetime as coincidence, but not 25+ fulfilled prophecies in one lifetime. Especially when there had been zero Biblical prophecies for almost 2,000 years and then boom, bang, pop the fulfilled prophecies keep coming.

After reading the above drivel....pick up revolver with one bullet and place in mouth..

[Quirk]

My comments would have been posted a couple of pages ago but I've had a busy weekend.

It is easy to understand how children can be motivated by fear but I have little patience with adults that suggest I should allow fear to dictate my actions or beliefs. Also, when someone tells me there are many things that just can't be known I have to refrain from adding "by you."

Several studies have concluded that atheists are the least trusted group in the U.S. hence few atheist politicians.
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigo ... sHated.htm

[TA1LGUNN3R]

To discount for example that Israel is a country on a reservoir of water and say they stole the water is illogical.

So, I provide an actual historical context to the founding of Israel while you maintain that an incorporeal presence decided to put water there. And which sounds illogical? As always, uc, your brand of logic continues to present to me boundless opportunities for amusement.

-TG

[degaston]

Yes, it's pointless to continue banging your head up against a brick wall and yet there's posters here who want to argue and rant against a religious zealot. Guess some posters here have nothing better to do with their free time, unless they actual think the other side may fall on their knees and yell Uncle.

Actually, I was quite surprised when he did just that. I know he was being sarcastic, but even that is a shift from the usual pious confidence.

[BigBallinStalin]

Yes, it's pointless to continue banging your head up against a brick wall and yet there's posters here who want to argue and rant against a religious zealot. Guess some posters here have nothing better to do with their free time, unless they actual think the other side may fall on their knees and yell Uncle.

Actually, I was quite surprised when he did just that. I know he was being sarcastic, but even that is a shift from the usual pious confidence.

It's just talk. UC did the same in the Suggestions thread about dividing up OT. After 'being so humble' and saying that he 'understood' our positions, he simply repeated the same tired arguments elsewhere. Either he's a troll like Lionz, he's not that bright.... or he's intelligent enough to win a lot of points on CC (IQ > 110?) yet is very obstinate.

[chang50]

My comments would have been posted a couple of pages ago but I've had a busy weekend.

It is easy to understand how children can be motivated by fear but I have little patience with adults that suggest I should allow fear to dictate my actions or beliefs. Also, when someone tells me there are many things that just can't be known I have to refrain from adding "by you."

Several studies have concluded that atheists are the least trusted group in the U.S. hence few atheist politicians.
http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistbigo ... sHated.htm

Interesting article,not living in America I have no way of personally guaging how true it is,but there is a wealth of literature on the subject,enough to strongly suspect something ugly and bigoted and discriminatory is occurrring.

[universalchiro]

I have presented multiple evidences of fulfilled prophecies that what the Bible said 2,500+ years ago would happen upon the soon arrival of the Messiah. And these prophecies are being fulfilled within the last 76 years, not scattered over thousands of years, within the life span of one generation (which lives 80-100+yrs). To which the atheist just say, nah your wrong, there isn't one fulfilled prophecy or its coincidence. To which I say, one fulfilled prophecy is not that big of a deal or several fulfilled prophecies scattered over 2,000 years is not a big deal, but upon the initiation of Israel becoming a nation again & many prophecies come to pass within the life span of one generation (80-100yrs) that sees Israel born again, then take heed that there is something supernatural about the Bible. And when meteors of fire are plunging all over the surface of the earth, will you still turn to your yes-men atheist and say there is no God to hear yes yes there is no God? No, Bible prerecords your words of crying out to God & He will say depart from Me for I don't know you, My sheep hear My voice when I call, but call upon your own gods made by human hands & see if they have ears to hear your cries.

[AndyDufresne]

I can discount onefulfilled prophecy in a lifetime as coincidence, but not 25+ fulfilled prophecies in one lifetime. Especially when there had been zero Biblical prophecies for almost 2,000 years and then boom, bang, pop the fulfilled prophecies keep coming.

I found a list of fulfilled Baha'i prophecies, more than two or three dozen. This does't look like a coincidence: http://bci.org/prophecy-fulfilled/

The best part, is that prophecies come from many religions -- and this adds credence to the validity of the prophecies.


--Andy

[patches70]

UC, your beliefs are just fine IMO. I got no problem with you saying what you will. However, I have to ask you something about this last comment. You said-

I have presented multiple evidences of fulfilled prophecies that what the Bible said 2,500+ years ago

Then followed with this-

. And these prophecies are being fulfilled within the last 76 years, not scattered over thousands of years, within the life span of one generation

You say that this happened within one generation-

(which lives 80-100+yrs).

The thing is, 2,500 years ago, was a generation actually 80-100+yrs?

Today, the accept time frame for a generation is 40 years or there abouts. I suppose it's a mean between cultural, familial and biological generations, I'm not really sure.

Sure, sure, people live a lot longer, but look at how we define generations-
The Greatest Generation, The Baby Boomers, Generation X, Generation Z, The Millennials, etc etc. And those aren't anywhere near 80-100 years apart from one to the next generation. Those are more separated by a decade between any two given named generations.

Then when we define a generation, it's the time it takes for a group of humans to take the next step forward from an ancestor. Typically that's between 20-30 years, about when most of people are having children.

So today people live 60+ years, but when this was written a person was lucky to live to 40. Generations were not looked at as 80-100 years I don't think.

So is the bible talking about social generations, biological generations or what?
Seems to be the end of civilization is somewhat of a social issue, obvious, since society is going to collapse. So it seems more of a societal generational thing, and those generations are certainly not 80-100 yrs long. Not even close. Half that at best, IMO, or less.


My thoughts on the matter is that it's not really a prophecy of much import. IN such that society will collapse, regardless. Any look at history proves that it's never a question of "if" but only a question of when (which is something those who ridicule you should remember).
The strange thing is prophecy or no, the people actually living during such times rarely ever see it coming. It happens on such a subtle scale until the time comes when it's not so subtle.
I think one of the worst curses ever uttered by human beings is -"May you live in interesting times".

The US and Western civilization is one of the greatest societies, if not the greatest society, ever formed in the history of the world. But it will end because for all it's greatness, both good and bad, it's still just a society that eventually decays and passes into history to be replaced by something else.

What replaces it? <shrugs> Hard to say. maybe something better, maybe something not so good.


For myself, I don't worry too much about the Apocalypse. It's like worrying about whether it's going to rain or not. I can't stop it from raining any more than I can prevent the eventual collapse of the society in which I live. I don't know if it will happen in my life time. But if it does, it certainly won't surprise me!

Hahahaha.


Anyway, keep up the good fight I guess. Just remember the lesson of how Prophets are treated and viewed. That is, they are almost always hated and rarely believed or heeded.
Free Will is a bitch sometimes, but I have faith it' better than the alternative.

But people shouldn't be turning to Jesus just because they are afraid of the Apocalypse, IMO. Heck, if the teaching of Jesus aren't enough then nothing will get through to them. And that's not on you, it's on them.


And those UC bashers, you like to preach tolerance, say you are against bigotry and such. UC is merely doing what his faith dictates he is supposed to do. He is not harming anyone at all, but considering some of the reactions from you people you'd think UC must have sneaked into your house and murdered your families and raped the family pet.

There is a bit of bigotry emanating from this thread, and it ain't coming from UC.......



So relax, whether you believe or not, UC isn't hurting anyone at all.