GoranZ wrote:Juan_Bottom wrote:GoranZ wrote:History shows that American media are widely used for US propaganda. If we take US public opinion before the witch hunt for Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq and after it, everyone can notice that media made the crucial change in public opinion. And that lead to war with Iraq and of course finding zero Weapons of Mass destruction in Iraq. What can I say hats off to those that made the propaganda.
On the other hand majority(55%) of Russians approve merger with Crimea before Ukrainian crisis, and the peak currently is 90% approval, which could have been as an effect of several factors including media but not nearly as much as with the influence of American media in US. So if you like to say "Russia is a propaganda machine" then you will have to say "US is at least 5 x Russia's propaganda machine", otherwise you are simply WRONG.
Nationalism on both accounts.
IDK what Americans think about Iraqis but I'm sure majority doesn't hate them(and that's wast majority). Russians also doesn't hate the Ukrainians(or opposite). There goes your nationalism down the toilet.
Juan_Bottom wrote:So does the same bullshit sports story sell in Macedonia?
Get a life
If you dont know some sport it doesn't mean its bullshit sport. However it could mean that you are not smart enough to understand it
Juan_Bottom wrote:Approximately 20-30% of Crimeans are Taters, and approximately 20% are Ukrainian. So how is it that 98% of Crimea voted to join Russia?
12% of Crimea population excluding Sevastopol are Tatars. And over 50% of NonRussians in Crimea voted for merger with Russia, other voted against or didn't voted. You wont get very far with fabricated numbers, at least not in CC, but you can try to lie to your kids, they might believe you
Juan_Bottom wrote:What matters today is the rule of law, civility, and respect.
Like in Serbia, Iraq, Lybia and many others. Sorry but we all know what is the exact meaning of American rule of law, American civility, and American respect, we have seen it all in practice
Juan_Bottom wrote:Russia provoked a war, violated international law, and literally activated paramilitary groups and sent them into the Ukraine to terrorize their population. They rigged the vote, and they are chasing Muslims out of Crimea. They are the bad guys here.
What war? So far there wasn't any war actions in Crimea.
If you like to implement international law go a head, undo what US had done in the last 25 years and we can talk, until then you are wasting your time by calling for international law.
From what I see majority of Crimean population is quite happy as part of Russia, so no one is terrorizing them.
If they dont like to live in Crimea, Muslims can go were ever they want no one is holding them back.
You are not the smartest around... its very obvious
You don't know what Nationalism is. I was pretty much parroting several world leaders there.
The point about sports is that Americans consume a lot of sports "news." If you think sports news is more important than world news, you're probably an idiot.
I don't think that your %of people who are Taters is correct. As Vice news observed, not only were the Crimean Taters boycotting the vote in large numbers, they also didn't receive voting cards. If you watch their news piece on the vote, you'll see that the polling station in the Tater community was empty. The people running the station claimed something like a 12% turnout. The numbers seem cooked to me, and look like Russian propaganda.
I'm noticing a common thread here; You all dislike America so much that you are cheering for Russia... you don't want to see Russia succeed, you just want to see America fail. You all repeatedly cite Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, ect. As if because America attacked Iraq that means Putin is a good guy.
And let me be very clear here, Russia put 60,000 troops on Ukraine's border, while flooding Crimea with paramilitary agents. That is an act of war. They have been watching the Revolution in Kiev, and very clearly they were waiting for the right time to strike.
There were Bosnian militia's enacting checkpoints on Crimean streets, stopping cars at gunpoint. Reporters were arrested by Russian agents. Pro-Ukrainian protestors were beaten on camera. Russian agents had orders to try to get the Ukrainians to shoot at them at the Air force base in Sevastopol. The Russians blocked the Ukrainian navy in harbor with warships. They starved out the ships and confiscated all of them, leaving Ukraine with 1 NATO warship left. They confiscated all of the Ukrainian military instillation's in Crimean, after holding them siege, and kept all of their hardware. They gave money, uniforms, and weapons to Crimean "self-defense" forces. The Russians surrounded the Crimean senate for two weeks with armed soldiers, blocking it. The Russians and their paramilitary from around Europe confiscated memory cards, cameras, beat and blocked reporters from taking any film of their covert program, to keep this looking peaceful. A lot of reporters have been beaten in Crimea. So have a lot of Ukrainians. Reporters and servicemen were also kidnapped.
If Mexico was confiscating American Naval Craft, flooding the Southwest with armed soldiers, and having a "vote" to annex Arizona you all would be singing a different tune.
Russia terrorizes the Ukraine and you guys are all fucking cheerleaders. Because America is a bad place so yay Russia. You have absolutely no footing to say that America invading Iraq was wrong but Russia invading the Ukraine is right.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... wbOCDO472B -Watch this for on the ground coverage for the Ukrainian protests right through to the Russian invasion. Great reporting on the Russian terror tactics and kidnappings.
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