Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[thegreekdog]

So you were being a dick because Obama spoke about a topic I was interested in?

How was I being a dick?

You were saying that I should't care about this topic because I didn't care about other murders, a standard you fail to apply anywhere else, or even to yourself. How's that for point 1?

So having an argument = being a dick?

[Symmetry]

So you were being a dick because Obama spoke about a topic I was interested in?

How was I being a dick?

You were saying that I should't care about this topic because I didn't care about other murders, a standard you fail to apply anywhere else, or even to yourself. How's that for point 1?

So having an argument = being a dick?

When of so poor quality, and applied so weirdly, yes, your argument that I shouldn't post is remarkably weak and can be said to be dickish.

[Phatscotty]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/abc-new ... mans-head/

ABC released new, “enhanced” video on Monday that appears to show injuries on George Zimmerman’s head, possibly adding to his defense that he was attacked before shooting Trayvon Martin.

[Symmetry]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/abc-new-enhanced-video-seems-to-show-injuries-on-zimmermans-head/

ABC released new, “enhanced” video on Monday that appears to show injuries on George Zimmerman’s head, possibly adding to his defense that he was attacked before shooting Trayvon Martin.

Careful dude, you're posting about the Trayvon Martin thing, TGD will explain why you shouldn't post.

[TheGeneral2112]

Jesus, you are all incredibly misinformed. Have any of you read the police report? Do any of you understand the law when it comes to a clean shoot? Read the police report before you mouth off with your fucking opinion. This ****** was bashing Zimmerman's head against the curb when he drew his firearm with this punk ass on top of him, then shot. A witness didn't see the shot, but he saw Zimmerman on the bottom getting the shit beat out of him and ran upstairs to call the cops. The shot happened when the witness wasn't looking. Until you have read the police report and have heard from the FUCKING WITNESSES (THERE WERE THREE) THEN SHUT THE f*ck UP!

[Symmetry]

Jesus, you are all incredibly misinformed. Have any of you read the police report? Do any of you understand the law when it comes to a clean shoot? Read the police report before you mouth off with your fucking opinion. This ****** was bashing Zimmerman's head against the curb when he drew his firearm with this punk ass on top of him, then shot. A witness didn't see the shot, but he saw Zimmerman on the bottom getting the shit beat out of him and ran upstairs to call the cops. The shot happened when the witness wasn't looking. Until you have read the police report and have heard from the FUCKING WITNESSES (THERE WERE THREE) THEN SHUT THE f*ck UP!

Wow, now given that you've provided no sources to back up your claims, and that even a casual search of google indicate that you're misinformed, what are you trying to say?

Can I ask you where you're getting your information from when you say

This ****** was bashing Zimmerman's head against the curb when he drew his firearm with this punk ass on top of him, then shot.

I'd hate to be misinformed.

[Phatscotty]

What was it? Skinny tall guy at 150 versus somewhat short but not really guy at 220?

It's unlikely that Martin thinks he's a big tough guy in this situation--at night, in a bad neighborhood, with a stocky guy wearing a jacket following him...

Not sure about that one, Phatscotty. Seems more likely that Martin was egged on--perhaps by a racial slur?

Well, I have heard a few people put Zimmerman at 5'2 and a few others put Trayvon at 6'3, but I am sure there are exxagerations on both sides. For now the line is 6'2 vs 5'5, which is a towering advantage. The 5'5 guy will usually never be considered the bigger guy though. Just my opinion

I thought he said "fucking fools". And even if the slur did happen, how do you state that he even made the slur TO Trayvon? Whatever he said, it was virtually "whispered" over the telephone to the 911 operator. (why people have such a hard time making it out even after boosting the audio 244 times as CNN did). If there was another slur made, we did not and probably never will hear it or whether it was Tray or Z or possibly both of them mad dogging each other.

What I think is that Trayvon might have been scared at first, but after he got a look at Zimmerman and realized he had possibly more than 12 inches on him in height and possibly 20 inches+ on reach, he might have decided he could take the short guy, and the evidence seems to suggest that Trayvon was whippin his ass.

[Phatscotty]

Jesus, you are all incredibly misinformed. Have any of you read the police report? Do any of you understand the law when it comes to a clean shoot? Read the police report before you mouth off with your fucking opinion. This ****** was bashing Zimmerman's head against the curb when he drew his firearm with this punk ass on top of him, then shot. A witness didn't see the shot, but he saw Zimmerman on the bottom getting the shit beat out of him and ran upstairs to call the cops. The shot happened when the witness wasn't looking. Until you have read the police report and have heard from the FUCKING WITNESSES (THERE WERE THREE) THEN SHUT THE f*ck UP!

Wow, now given that you've provided no sources to back up your claims, and that even a casual search of google indicate that you're misinformed, what are you trying to say?

Can I ask you where you're getting your information from when you say

This ****** was bashing Zimmerman's head against the curb when he drew his firearm with this punk ass on top of him, then shot.

I'd hate to be misinformed.

The sources are already here in this thread Symm. We don't need to bring the same sources up over and over again.

[saxitoxin]

NBC has launched an "internal investigation" after it was revealed the network doctored the 911 tapes to string together the specific phrasing that people have subsequently decried as evidence of Zimmerman's racism.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbc-launches-internal-investigation-of-misleadingly-edited-zimmerman-911-call/

NBC host Al Sharpton previously said that Zimmerman proactively offering that Martin "looks black - wearing a hoodie" was evidence of his racism. The undoctored tapes reveal that Zimmerman was responding to identity questions posed by the 911 Operator whose voice was edited out.

Does Zimmerman have a defamation case against NBC?

[Phatscotty]

NBC has launched an "internal investigation" after it was revealed the network doctored the 911 tapes to string together the specific phrasing that people have subsequently decried as evidence of Zimmerman's racism.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbc-launches-internal-investigation-of-misleadingly-edited-zimmerman-911-call/

NBC host Al Sharpton previously said that Zimmerman proactively offering that Martin "looks black - wearing a hoodie" was evidence of his racism. The undoctored tapes reveal that Zimmerman was responding to identity questions posed by the 911 Operator whose voice was edited out.

Does Zimmerman have a defamation case against NBC?

Yes, it was a direct response to the 911 dispathcer, who asked Z "Is he white? black? Hispanic?" "He looks black"

Yes, Zimmerman does. He might have another one too if we find out the 911 video of Z appearing to look uninjured turns out to have been fogged intentionally.

Usually, being on the left means never having to say you are sorry, but this time the media went way too far, just like the OP suggested all along.

[BigBallinStalin]

NBC has launched an "internal investigation" after it was revealed the network doctored the 911 tapes to string together the specific phrasing that people have subsequently decried as evidence of Zimmerman's racism.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbc-launches-internal-investigation-of-misleadingly-edited-zimmerman-911-call/

NBC host Al Sharpton previously said that Zimmerman proactively offering that Martin "looks black - wearing a hoodie" was evidence of his racism. The undoctored tapes reveal that Zimmerman was responding to identity questions posed by the 911 Operator whose voice was edited out.

Does Zimmerman have a defamation case against NBC?

You betcha, he does.

[patches70]

Who was it in this thread that brought up that there was video showing Zimmerman had no injuries? Oh, I remember, it was Sym. Now I can see why he refuses to acknowledge that Zimmerman did indeed have evidence of head wounds and very likely has medical records indicating the same.

Sym also posted a link about a "new witness" that either A)lied or B) was incorrect in stating that Zimmerman had no injuries.

Contrary to Syms view, it does indeed appear that evidence is supporting Zimmerman's side of the story. Hmmm.....

This might be of interest:

Trayvon Martin shooting: CCTV footage shows George Zimmerman sustained no injuries

The 28-year-old George Zimmerman's head and face are visible throughout the footage and he is dressed in a red and black fleece jacket. Police are shown frisking Zimmerman whose hands were handcuffed behind his back. They then lead him into a building.
Zimmerman said he was pursuing 17-year-old Martin, who was not armed, because the teen was acting suspiciously. He said he lost sight of the black teenager and Martin attacked him as he headed back to his sport utility vehicle. Zimmerman's father is white and his mother is Hispanic.

The neighbourhood watch volunteer told police he fired in self-defence and he was not arrested, touching off widespread public outrage and protests across the country. Zimmerman's attorney, Craig Sonner, has said in more than one interview that his client's nose was broken during the fight with Martin.

The Orlando Sentinel, citing anonymous sources, has reported that Martin grabbed Zimmerman's head and banged it several times against the sidewalk. A statement from police said the newspaper's story was "consistent" with evidence turned over to prosecutors.

Mr Sonner said the gash on the back of Zimmerman's head probably was serious enough for stitches, but he waited too long for treatment so the wound was already healing. Miguel Meza, who identified himself as Zimmerman's cousin, said Zimmerman was in "the fight of his life."

Hmm, seems like the evidence on the Zimmerman side doesn't quite add up. The video footage, if anyone feels like examining it, is embedded in the link.

Further info, this time from the Guardian, suggests that an additional eyewitness has come forward to say that Zimmerman was not obviously injured in the altercation.

Trayvon Martin lawyers intensify call for arrest amid more evidence leaks

Lawyers from Trayvon Martin's family have stepped up calls for his killer to be arrested after a new eyewitness and leaked CCTV footage from the police station cast doubt on George Zimmerman's claim that he had acted in self-defence.

The new witness claims he saw the neighbourhood watch captain walking away from the fatal altercation with no blood on him, countering Zimmerman's statement that he sustained a broken nose and bloody injuries to the back of his head.

Any comment on the apparent misinformation, Sym? Note: I'm well aware that you merely linked what had been reported and that you had no idea that the information would turn out to be at best inconclusive let alone completely wrong.

But being as you were operating on the assumption that Zimmerman had no injuries, and thus had no claim of self defense, with this new information I am wondering what your thoughts on the likely fact that Zimmerman was indeed getting beat and apparently was having his head bashed into the ground by Martin before firing the fatal shot in apparent self defense.
Would you allow for that circumstance, that if a person is beating and bashing another's head into the ground, that the person being beat would have a right to defend himself?

And does this make those who have been saying all along that Zimmerman is lying and there was no self defense involved in the shooting?

I still don't know what happened that night, but this new information doesn't change my views of the whole incident at all. That Zimmerman will make a claim of self defense and that prosecutors will have to prove that there was no self defense. As well as that the worst charge that Zimmerman could be charged with is manslaughter. If he's even charged at all.

The grand jury will be meeting soon to determine what, if any, charges will be filed against Zimmerman. We'll all find out soon enough I suppose.

Does Zimmerman have a defamation case against NBC?

Why do you think NBC is launching this "internal investigation"? Altering evidence like that in the attempt to change the facts to imply charges of racism by NBC goes a bit beyond mere reporting of the story. They'll be liable for that falsehood and their investigation will find a poor bastard to be tossed to the wolves, as it were, in the event that Zimmerman pursues that line later.

[keiths31]

This guy is probably going to get a bit of hate mail...

[Nola_Lifer]

I can't believe yall are supporting a person who killed a man unless there was evidence that the other had a weapon. So far, there was no report about Martin having a weapon, yet Zimmerman did have a gun. Who was acting in self-defense first? Martin? Guess we won't get his half of the story seeing he was killed.

[patches70]

This guy is probably going to get a bit of hate mail...

Yeah, I suppose he will. But he has a point and the New Black Panther guy looked like a complete idiot. I will say that I wasn't previously aware that the Martin family was disavowing them. That changes my perception of them a bit, since Martin's mother had copyrighted her son's name. The cynic in me found that odd but now I have great hope that they did that for altruistic reasons rather than monetary gain.
I truly hope they (the Martin family) are able to get through this terrible ordeal. It was a senseless thing her son getting killed like that. I'm afraid that they won't get a measure of justice that they feel they deserve because human justice is a frail and fallible thing. I fear that the only comfort they'll have over this is beyond what society can provide. I pray they find that comfort.

[Phatscotty]

More pictures coming out.

[Night Strike]

I can't believe yall are supporting a person who killed a man unless there was evidence that the other had a weapon. So far, there was no report about Martin having a weapon, yet Zimmerman did have a gun. Who was acting in self-defense first? Martin? Guess we won't get his half of the story seeing he was killed.

The Stand Your Ground law includes NO requirement that the other person must have a weapon for you to stand your ground. Furthermore, a person could fight well enough to incapacitate the person who does have a weapon and then use that weapon to kill them, so a lack of a weapon does not automatically indicate innocence.

[saxitoxin]

More pictures coming out.

I think that should say "pictures coming out" not "more pictures coming out" since the first wave you posted wasn't really of Martin.

In any case, I'm not really sure what these are supposed to mean or what is revealed by them? Is there a hidden message?

[patches70]

I can't believe yall are supporting a person who killed a man unless there was evidence that the other had a weapon. So far, there was no report about Martin having a weapon, yet Zimmerman did have a gun. Who was acting in self-defense first? Martin? Guess we won't get his half of the story seeing he was killed.

That's the real messed up part of the whole thing. The whole thing could have, should have been avoided. It was needless.

I don't support Zimmerman, I support the right of any person to defend themselves and I support the rule of law. I think that had Martin beaten Zimmerman to death that Martin would have had a claim of self defense that could easily pass the legal tests. It appears Zimmerman has a good chance of a claim of self defense that can pass the legal tests.

And that is the real messed up thing. What do we do when two people who were acting lawfully and in the course of circumstance and ill fate end up in this situation? I don't think Zimmerman is the racist murderer that certain groups are trying to portray him as (but I can't know for sure).
I don't think Martin was a violent person looking for a fight (but I can't know for sure).

It is a comedy of errors that led to a tragic end. It is far from a clear cut case of criminality. It's nothing like one person knowing full well they are committing a crime and the other the victim. In this case it seems Zimmerman and Martin both are victims of their own perceptions. I can imagine the situation from both their eyes. I do not envy the courts who have to sort this mess out. There is just no clear solution, just as there is no clear "evil doer".

Zimmerman can and will make the case for self defense if he finds himself charged. He might win that argument or he might lose that argument. I don't know. He could very well be found to be criminally negligent. And that if anything, is what he would be guilty of.

Regardless, Zimmerman is entitled to a fair trial and due process. It's hard to have that when so many are politicizing this terrible thing.

[Phatscotty]

More pictures coming out.

I think that should say "pictures coming out" not "more pictures coming out" since the first wave you posted wasn't really of Martin.

In any case, I'm not really sure what these are supposed to mean or what is revealed by them? Is there a hidden message?

The first "wave" (one pic) had two photos in it. The top photo was correct, and I took the incorrect half out. It was this picture, which is Trayvon.



They are photos the media will not show. It does not suit their agenda. Some people do not like it because it does not paint Trayvon as innocent. That does not mean I am trying to make him look guilty though. I am just posting his pictures.

[spurgistan]

BREAKING NEWS: Trayvon Martin did things teenagers do.

[saxitoxin]

Some people do not like it because it does not paint Trayvon as innocent.

What specific elements of the photos paint him as guilty, do you feel?

[Neoteny]

BREAKING NEWS: Trayvon Martin did things teenagers do.

Shit, I was flipping people off before I was ten.

[Night Strike]

BREAKING NEWS: Trayvon Martin did things teenagers do.

Shit, I was flipping people off before I was ten.

And society wonders why people don't have respect for others.......

[Phatscotty]

Some people do not like it because it does not paint Trayvon as innocent.

What specific elements of the photos paint him as guilty, do you feel?

I don't feel that a photograph makes someone guilty. These new photos are not as innocent looking as the ones the media used when they began exploiting Trayvon and sold him as a 12 year old with a bag of skittles.





also, many people have a problem upon finding out the information that Trayvon was suspended 3 times from school. Once for tagging school property with spray paint and was caught on camera, once for stealing a pocket full of jewelry from another students locker and was caught with the screwdriver to break in, and once for drugs.

Was Trayvon in a gang?