For those who claim to be for freedom...

[ooge]

We should buy all pitch in and buy drone to fly above the drones, and monitor the drones.


--Andy

Our 2nd amendment right?

[warmonger1981]

All you have to do is give up your rights to free speech and privacy to feel safe from a terrorist because we all know giving up more right will ensure safety. Thats why giving up your rights to guns will ensure you wont get killed by a gun. Pretty logical if your a fucking moron.

[Woodruff]

All you have to do is give up your rights to free speech and privacy to feel safe from a terrorist because we all know giving up more right will ensure safety. Thats why giving up your rights to guns will ensure you wont get killed by a gun. Pretty logical if your a fucking moron.

I don't know a single individual that actually thinks that, to be honest. Not the most hardened anti-gun individual I know would say such stupidity as you just did.

[Woodruff]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/09/paul-wants-to-lead-supreme-court-challenge-to-fed-tracking-americans-calls/

Ok, so I like that he's doing this. It needs to be done. But still...this stuff has been getting briefed to Congress, so he was clearly already aware of it (or certainly should have been). So that makes this feel a lot like grandstanding for the Presidential run.

[fadedpsychosis]

All you have to do is give up your rights to free speech and privacy to feel safe from a terrorist because we all know giving up more right will ensure safety. Thats why giving up your rights to guns will ensure you wont get killed by a gun. Pretty logical if your a fucking moron.

He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.

[warmonger1981]

Well Woodruff why do we keep giving up more rights for less freedom? I just dont understand if a majority of the public wants freedom why does the Republic keep voting the opposite? With all that has happened since 9/11 with the NSA-IRS-PATRIOT ACT-FBI-TSA it seems the public is willing to slowely give it all up to gain little.

[Woodruff]

Well Woodruff why do we keep giving up more rights for less freedom?

Because the people in power want more control, both lawmakers and those who aren't lawmakers themselves.

I just dont understand if a majority of the public wants freedom why does the Republic keep voting the opposite? With all that has happened since 9/11 with the NSA-IRS-PATRIOT ACT-FBI-TSA it seems the public is willing to slowely give it all up to gain little.

You voted for Romney, right? That's why. BECAUSE WE CAN'T LET THE OTHER SIDE WIN!!!!!

[warmonger1981]

I actually dont think Romney is the answer either. I think the game is rigged. Let the little guy run his life but control the mechanisms that regulate the little guy. When the IRS was formed, Nixon took us off the gold standard, and Bush Sr got in we been fucked since in my opinion. A guy who ran the CIA becomes president. I see a conflict especially with Jr getting in twice. There will be a NWO and not by accident. Financial debt has no borders.Call me conspiracy.

[ooge]

I actually dont think Romney is the answer either. I think the game is rigged. Let the little guy run his life but control the mechanisms that regulate the little guy. When the IRS was formed, Nixon took us off the gold standard, and Bush Sr got in we been fucked since in my opinion. A guy who ran the CIA becomes president. I see a conflict especially with Jr getting in twice. There will be a NWO and not by accident. Financial debt has no borders.Call me conspiracy.

War buddy,you a listener of Alex Jones and Glen Beck?

[warmonger1981]

Actually I have to be honest. Glenn Beck is nothing more than an actor trying to spout fake tears at will for ratings. He has said a lot of truth though. Alex Jones is actually one guy I have recently started to listen to. He is very vocal and animated but he also speaks some truths. But the books I have been reading give me some of my accusations on the NWO and the quotes made from major players. Bilderberg Major Corporations and Freemason in my opinion are dangerous to American Sovereign. Its the tactics they use that make them evil.

[Woodruff]

I actually dont think Romney is the answer either.

That's not at all what I said.

[Woodruff]

Bilderberg Major Corporations and Freemason in my opinion are dangerous to American Sovereign. Its the tactics they use that make them evil.

The FREEMASONS? Do you even know anything about the Freemasons? <facepalm>

[Woodruff]

So...taxpayers have to pay for a secret program to spy on taxpayers. Then taxpayers have to pay to fight a lawsuit about said program. Then taxpayers are on the hook for any damages awarded. Why is this a lawsuit with monetary damages instead of dismantlement of the program?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/146930457/PRISM-Class

[thegreekdog]

Brief interlude - Every time I read this thread on the forum page, I think about this song:

[ooge]

Actually I have to be honest. Glenn Beck is nothing more than an actor trying to spout fake tears at will for ratings. He has said a lot of truth though. Alex Jones is actually one guy I have recently started to listen to. He is very vocal and animated but he also speaks some truths. But the books I have been reading give me some of my accusations on the NWO and the quotes made from major players. Bilderberg Major Corporations and Freemason in my opinion are dangerous to American Sovereign. Its the tactics they use that make them evil.

Glen beck's background is a shock jock so that does make sense. This is Alex Jones talking about Glen Beck.

[macbone]

Voter apathy and blind allegiance are a big part of the problem that led to Prism. People don't care as long as their 401k still has money in it, even though many Americans' portfolios still haven't recovered from the economic tsunami. Maybe the US is too big and a strong central government is necessary, but this is what we get when most people tune in to the country's governance only once every four years.

We need more citizen participation in the government and better understanding of what government can and should do. Otherwise, the US will remain a centralized oligarchy ruled by a political class with most people content to let their elected representatives make all the decisions for them.

[warmonger1981]

From what I've heard Glenn Beck takes acting classes. He uses politics to sell books that have little to do with politics or to sell clothing. He aint much better than Hannity.

Woodruff have you read Morals and Dogma Ancient and Accepted Rites. If so you probably would think so. Not every Mason is a bad person but the philosophy is cult like or religious. A Mason owes his allegiance to Freemasonery first. Would that not contradict their oath of office.

[ooge]

From what I've heard Glenn Beck takes acting classes. He uses politics to sell books that have little to do with politics or to sell clothing. He aint much better than Hannity.

Woodruff have you read Morals and Dogma Ancient and Accepted Rites. If so you probably would think so. Not every Mason is a bad person but the philosophy is cult like or religious. A Mason owes his allegiance to Freemasonery first. Would that not contradict their oath of office.

I know of a local legend,about a guy who revealed some Mason secret rituals and ended up on the bottom of lake Ontario.

[Woodruff]

Woodruff have you read Morals and Dogma Ancient and Accepted Rites. If so you probably would think so. Not every Mason is a bad person but the philosophy is cult like or religious.

Do you not realize that their philosophy is very much based on religion?

A Mason owes his allegiance to Freemasonery first. Would that not contradict their oath of office.

It might if it weren't an absolute falsehood. It's quite simply not true.

[warmonger1981]

Yes, I do realize it is based on religion actually. Masons claim it is not a religion though. It is based loosely on the Kabalah along with Egyption religion.

Quote from pg 741 " Masonery is a search for Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kabalah".

Quote from pg 104 " Masonery, like all Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to misled those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to racieveit, or would pervert it".

[Woodruff]

Yes, I do realize it is based on religion actually. Masons claim it is not a religion though. It is based loosely on the Kabalah along with Egyption religion.

Quote from pg 741 " Masonery is a search for Light. That search leads us directly back, as you see, to the Kabalah".

Quote from pg 104 " Masonery, like all Religions, all the Mysteries, Hermeticism and Alchemy, conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and sages, or the Elect, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to misled those who deserve only to be misled; to conceal the Truth, which it calls Light, from them, and to draw them away from it Truth is not for those who are unworthy or unable to racieveit, or would pervert it".

Your response above essentially highlights the oddity of your first statement that I was responding to. In addition, you didn't respond to my second point, I notice.

[Night Strike]

You know, somebody on Reddit made a good point. With all of the NSA data-collecting and destruction of the Fourth Amendment, they STILL completely missed the Boston Bombers, two of the dumbest, least sophisticated "bro" terrorists in the world.

You assume that the system would actually incorporate searches for radical Muslims and those known to promote radical Islam and terrorist actions. That would be a pretty large assumption considering Obama has spent so much time labeling Tea Partiers as his enemy

Furthermore, is this program still going? Obama declared the War on Terror over a couple weeks ago, so obviously the spying is no longer needed for counter-terrorism.

[Night Strike]

How many people really think Al Franken deserves to know more about what our government is doing than we the people deserve to know?

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2013/06/1 ... e-records/

[Woodruff]

You know, somebody on Reddit made a good point. With all of the NSA data-collecting and destruction of the Fourth Amendment, they STILL completely missed the Boston Bombers, two of the dumbest, least sophisticated "bro" terrorists in the world.

You assume that the system would actually incorporate searches for radical Muslims and those known to promote radical Islam and terrorist actions. That would be a pretty large assumption

No, it really wouldn't be.

considering Obama has spent so much time labeling Tea Partiers as his enemy

Riiiiight...

Furthermore, is this program still going? Obama declared the War on Terror over a couple weeks ago, so obviously the spying is no longer needed for counter-terrorism.

What? I must admit, I had not heard him make this statement.

[Woodruff]

How many people really think Al Franken deserves to know more about what our government is doing than we the people deserve to know?

I do. He's in freaking Congress, for heavens' sake. There are unquestionably things that a member of Congress is going to need to know that we, the general public, do not need to know in the interest of security. Do I wish we could have complete transparency in our government? Damn straight I do. But I also recognize that would be foolish, and that some things need to remain confidential.

Now, you know I'm not a fan of these specific sorts of things. So I'm certainly going to rail very hard against the fact that these things are going on at all. But your question just seems like a silly one to me.