Was it right to repopulate Israel with Jews?

[saxitoxin]

"Centre" is the right word. "Center" is a crass Americanism.

I observe US-Americans spelling it "centre" in formal writing, such as on signs -



Or, for things named prior to the mandatory spelling reform, such as Centre College -



I prefer "center" spelling, though, as an expression of solidarity with anti-colonialism and liberation causes and so on and so forth.

[Viceroy63]

It was after all 1800 years since they last lived there. Then all of a sudden they shall move back, nevermind the people who's lived there for the last 1800 years, just push them out of their homes and bomb the shit out of them.
I think I've made my own opinion on the matter clear

Was it right to populate the US with Europeans? STOP the hypocrisy! The Jews are the rightful heirs to the land of Israel!!! Keep your antisemitism on the DL.

Point well made Jay!

After all, the Jewish people never chose to leave. Just like the Israelite People also never chose to leave. The Israelite people were removed by the Assyrians and the Jewish people by the Babylonians. Only during the Persian empire in the reign of Cyrus did the Jews return to Jerusalem but the Israelite People did not at that time. But they wanted to as Josephus had stated.

The fact that a people are forcibly removed from their homes for 1800 years (It was more like 2,500 years), does not mean that they do not have a right to return to their homes, when it is safe to do so or when the opportunity to do so arises. And if given the means to return, even if they have to fight for it, well who wouldn't?

I understand that the Jews are playing very hard ball and are also wrong in the way that they do things, (So were the early American Pioneers as well), but again, who would not when it comes to their original homeland? They're only choice is to return to being a slave nation that has always been hated by the world and forcibly dispersed to the four corners of the earth.

[saxitoxin]

They're only choice is to return to being a slave nation that has always been hated by the world and forcibly dispersed to the four corners of the earth.

sucks to be them, then

800,000,000 vs. 8,000,000 - if they feel their only choice is no compromise then they've already written their own destiny ... the Arab world has unlimited manpower and unlimited resources, Israel has a tiny population dependent on welfare handouts from a U.S. about to go bankrupt ... it's just a waiting game / (a) maintain the siege, (b) wait for the Zionists to continue to weaken ... and then, boom boom boom, that's how it goes

[tzor]

In this clip, Ron Paul tells Iranian TV that Israel is perpetrating "an atrocious massacre" on the Palestinians and calls Gaza "a concentration camp." Is Ron Paul an Anti-Semite, too?

Sort of, but for completely different reasons. Remember isolationist libertarians also wanted to hide from the German Holocaust as well.

If Ron Paul really wants to throw stones at the actions of Israel, he needs to recall when the US in WWII Bombed Dresden and Tokyo

The Bombing of Dresden was a military attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, that took place in the final months of the Second World War. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city. The resulting firestorm destroyed fifteen square miles (39 square kilometres) of the city centre and caused tens of thousands of civilian casualties.

The figure of roughly 100,000 deaths, provided by Japanese and American authorities, both of whom may have had reasons of their own for minimizing the death toll, seems to me arguably low in light of population density, wind conditions, and survivors' accounts. With an average of 103,000 inhabitants per square mile (396 people per hectare) and peak levels as high as 135,000 per square mile (521 people per hectare), the highest density of any industrial city in the world, and with firefighting measures ludicrously inadequate to the task, 15.8 square miles (41 km2) of Tokyo were destroyed on a night when fierce winds whipped the flames and walls of fire blocked tens of thousands fleeing for their lives. An estimated 1.5 million people lived in the burned out areas.

If Israel wanted to, it could easily destroy the entire population of the Gaza, all without a single loss of life from their military. Instead they go to great lengths to avoid casualties even to the point of dropping warning leafleats to the civilian population warning them of attacks. The tactics of Hammas, to use their own population as human shields, deliberately placing their weapon launching facilities near schools, hospitals and religious buildings would generally be considered a major war crime against their own people if it wasn't for the fact that anti-semitism has so crept into the thinking at the United Nations.

[saxitoxin]

The tactics of Hammas, to use their own population as human shields, deliberately placing their weapon launching facilities near schools, hospitals and religious buildings would generally be considered a major war crime against their own people if it wasn't for the fact that anti-semitism ...

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The [British] Army is to station soldiers and high velocity surface-to-air missiles on top of a block of residential flats [in London] ...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/04 ... 62259.html

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a fully operational Avenger missile battery sits on top of the Crystal City Sheraton Hotel parking garage in Washington DC, putting hundreds of civilian hotel guests in mortal danger if this armed military asset comes under attack

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Prior to 9/11, the U.S. placed a child daycare with 100 children under age 12 INSIDE their military HQ compound ("Pentagon"). Firefighters barely rescued the children after this armed, command & control complex came under attack.

[tzor]

OK Saxi, I know you are smart enough to know the difference between surface to air and surface to surface to surface missiles and why the former are DEFENSIVE and the latter is OFFENSIVE. The former are there to keep the latter from killing civilians. Hammas does not place defensive weapons in civilian areas (a logical thing to do when you want to protect civilians) but offensive weapons in civilian areas. When you use a defensive weapon it is to keep the civilians from being killed from offensive weapons. When you use an offensive weapon, especially at other civilian targets as Hammas does, it is to KILL.

I know you know this difference.

P.S. There are actually married military working in the Pentagon. It's a pretty damn safe place, even a jumbo jet could only smash a section of it. Where else would you want your children to be, when you work in the Pentagon?

[_sabotage_]

Did Qaddafi have a right to defend himself? Or was leading his country to prosperity considered an attack on the American way of life which relies on cowering nations to supply their production for them and therefore demand an American attack?

Iran is a democracy. Does it have a right to defend itself? Does it have a right to choose and follow a way of life that the people of Iran have chosen?

Which divine right does Israel have to attack it's neighbors without retaliation? By which divine right has America taken away the sovereignty of more than one hundred countries?

It appears that we are all equal, but some are more equal than the rest. Why is everything doublespeak?

By which divine right are certain members of America immune to the most inherent laws of our constitution while personal rights are completely trampled without recourse.

Jesse Ventura tried to use our legal procedures to enforce against abuses of our rights by the TSA and was told that they have no jurisdiction. The TSA who gropes, tases, and deprives all Americans of liberty to "prevent" a threat against a few as of yet imagined terrorists on American soil. Why do they report the capture of terrorists on US soil so loudly and then sweep the story under the carpet when the evidence can't bear scrutiny? When was the last time we were brought into a war for reason that could be documented? Why do we always find these reasons were false? Why do we give up our right to decide if we should subjugate a foreign sovereignty to our will? Why are we allowing the TSA and their jurisdiction free zone to creep through our country like injecting mercury into the veins of our country? Why have we given up habeas corpus? Why have we given up freedom of search and seizure? Why do we make a small group incomprehensibly wealthy though our policies? Why do we sacrifice the poor to accommodate the rich?

Why do we trod on the peaceful in favor of the violent?

If Israel has a divine right, let it be tested. How many Israelis feel pleased at their current position and willing to fight for it? Israel's position is good for a few, but not most of the people. When you build walls all around you, who are you imprisoning? What false state are we forcing upon peaceful Israelis who are happy to coexist?

Who defines terrorism?

What would make you question the government? We debate life and death like its our prerogative, who gave us the moral authority? Why do we have the right to indebt Columbia with the illusion of a war on drugs so that we can control the supply and fund "radicals" with chemical, biological and other weapons and turn around and blame these countries for using them as a pretext to deprive them of their resources and will?

What do you stand for?

If there is no god, is your goal to live in comfort? To get rich? To be famous? To pursue happiness? If it is true that the rebels in Libya were actually Al Qaeda, if it were true that 1.7 million people gathered together in solidarity with Qaddafi, 95% of their capitols population, and that America funded and armed Al Qaeda to overthrow him to prevent the progress in Libya from spreading, that a leader who enriched his people should be sodomized by a bayonet by NATO officers, would you care? Would you blindly listen to what you were told? Would you do your own research? Would you decide that it were all false and that the story we were presented with was true, would that give Obama the right to usurp our constitution? If the side I've presented were true, would you say it was justified in order to protect our financial interests? Our global dominance?

If your neighbor had his property stormed by armed government forces and in the course was killed, would you call for an inquiry or automatically assume his guilt? What if it happened to you? What prevents it from happening to you?

What do you live for?

[saxitoxin]

OK Saxi, I know you are smart enough to know the difference between surface to air and surface to surface to surface missiles and why the former are DEFENSIVE and the latter is OFFENSIVE. The former are there to keep the latter from killing civilians. Hammas does not place defensive weapons in civilian areas (a logical thing to do when you want to protect civilians) but offensive weapons in civilian areas. When you use a defensive weapon it is to keep the civilians from being killed from offensive weapons. When you use an offensive weapon, especially at other civilian targets as Hammas does, it is to KILL.

I know you know this difference.

P.S. There are actually married military working in the Pentagon. It's a pretty damn safe place, even a jumbo jet could only smash a section of it. Where else would you want your children to be, when you work in the Pentagon?

There is no difference. If you were to launch an attack on the Washington Naval Yard you would first need to neutralize the SAM sites at the Sheraton Hotel. When NATO bombed Serbia the US pulled the same trick you're doing now and declared they couldn't be blamed for killing civillians because the Serbs had put SAM sites is residential neighborhoods.

In the case of Gaza there is at least a rational explanation. The area is less than 20 miles wide with 1.5 million people crammed into it. There isn't a single inch of land that ISN'T next to a house or school.

This "they put their weapons in residential areas" whine that gets crammed into NATO press kits every single war is the singular dumbest talking point in history. It was used in Iraq, Serbia, Panama, etc. and doesn't withstand five seconds of scrutiny. But it sticks because it activates the White Knight/Black Knight archetype. It's a disgustingly simple psychological trick. No matter how thoroughly it's discredited, people keep repeating it because they like to fantasize they are squires of the chivalrous White Knight and the other side are cheating comic book bad guys. (Like the "Iraqis killed babies in incubators" thing that was repeated in this very thread. It was debunked in 1995 but is still getting regurgitated.)

[DoomYoshi]

It was after all 1800 years since they last lived there. Then all of a sudden they shall move back, nevermind the people who's lived there for the last 1800 years, just push them out of their homes and bomb the shit out of them.
I think I've made my own opinion on the matter clear

Was it right to populate the US with Europeans? STOP the hypocrisy! The Jews are the rightful heirs to the land of Israel!!! Keep your antisemitism on the DL.

Point well made Jay!

After all, the Jewish people never chose to leave. Just like the Israelite People also never chose to leave. The Israelite people were removed by the Assyrians and the Jewish people by the Babylonians. Only during the Persian empire in the reign of Cyrus did the Jews return to Jerusalem but the Israelite People did not at that time. But they wanted to as Josephus had stated.

The fact that a people are forcibly removed from their homes for 1800 years (It was more like 2,500 years), does not mean that they do not have a right to return to their homes, when it is safe to do so or when the opportunity to do so arises. And if given the means to return, even if they have to fight for it, well who wouldn't?

I understand that the Jews are playing very hard ball and are also wrong in the way that they do things, (So were the early American Pioneers as well), but again, who would not when it comes to their original homeland? They're only choice is to return to being a slave nation that has always been hated by the world and forcibly dispersed to the four corners of the earth.

This isn't as true as one would think. Genetic evidence proves that the men left and the women stayed put. The evidence comes in two forms. First, that most worldwide Jewish populations share Y chromosome genes. Second, that most Jewish populations do NOT share mitochondrial DNA. This means that the Jewish men left Israel and then married women from everywhere else. It is possible that the women were mostly killed, or the more likely event is that the Jewish women became Palestinian mothers.

If only the men left, I am positing that it was because they were running away. They could have stayed and fought, but didn't. Instead, they abandoned their women and children and went to start new lives elsewhere. I'll admit I don't know the written history on this, I only look at what is scientifically verifiable.

However, I hear there are orthodox Jews that state you are only Jewish if your mother is Jewish. According to genetic evidence and that rule put together - the only true Jews are the Palestinians! There is no maternal Jewish genetic markers, only paternal ones. Even the paternal Jewish genetic markers aren't present in all Jewish populations. In short, there is no Jewish race. The whole thing is a lie. They are mutts, just like the rest of us.

[saxitoxin]

It was after all 1800 years since they last lived there. Then all of a sudden they shall move back, nevermind the people who's lived there for the last 1800 years, just push them out of their homes and bomb the shit out of them.
I think I've made my own opinion on the matter clear

Was it right to populate the US with Europeans? STOP the hypocrisy! The Jews are the rightful heirs to the land of Israel!!! Keep your antisemitism on the DL.

Point well made Jay!

After all, the Jewish people never chose to leave. Just like the Israelite People also never chose to leave. The Israelite people were removed by the Assyrians and the Jewish people by the Babylonians. Only during the Persian empire in the reign of Cyrus did the Jews return to Jerusalem but the Israelite People did not at that time. But they wanted to as Josephus had stated.

The fact that a people are forcibly removed from their homes for 1800 years (It was more like 2,500 years), does not mean that they do not have a right to return to their homes, when it is safe to do so or when the opportunity to do so arises. And if given the means to return, even if they have to fight for it, well who wouldn't?

I understand that the Jews are playing very hard ball and are also wrong in the way that they do things, (So were the early American Pioneers as well), but again, who would not when it comes to their original homeland? They're only choice is to return to being a slave nation that has always been hated by the world and forcibly dispersed to the four corners of the earth.

This isn't as true as one would think. Genetic evidence proves that the men left and the women stayed put. The evidence comes in two forms. First, that most worldwide Jewish populations share Y chromosome genes. Second, that most Jewish populations do NOT share mitochondrial DNA. This means that the Jewish men left Israel and then married women from everywhere else. It is possible that the women were mostly killed, or the more likely event is that the Jewish women became Palestinian mothers.

If only the men left, I am positing that it was because they were running away. They could have stayed and fought, but didn't. Instead, they abandoned their women and children and went to start new lives elsewhere. I'll admit I don't know the written history on this, I only look at what is scientifically verifiable.

However, I hear there are orthodox Jews that state you are only Jewish if your mother is Jewish. According to genetic evidence and that rule put together - the only true Jews are the Palestinians! There is no maternal Jewish genetic markers, only paternal ones. Even the paternal Jewish genetic markers aren't present in all Jewish populations. In short, there is no Jewish race. The whole thing is a lie. They are mutts, just like the rest of us.

Correct and well put.

Once Judaism is viewed as a religion and not a race we see that, even by fundamentalist logic, they have no more "right" to be there than Mormons have to migrate to their holy land of Missouri tomorrow and start evicting people out of their houses. (If Mormons want to move Missouri they can. But, they can't break into the houses of Episcopalians and kick them out, then force them at gunpoint to march to Kansas.)

[JCR]

@ gillipeg, Who do you believe repopulated Israel with Jews and when?

This is a straightforward question, not sarcasm or biased.

[nietzsche]

How big are Israel's oil reserves?

[saxitoxin]

@ gillipeg, Who do you believe repopulated Israel with Jews and when?

This is a straightforward question, not sarcasm or biased.

This isn't a question of belief, it's well documented.

The Aliyah began when tens of thousands of Jews traveled from around the globe to Israel in the 1890s, 1900s, 1910s and 1920s. This immigration was opposed by the native Palestinians as well as the Old Yishuv (the small native Jewish population of Palestine that had lived in peace with Arabs for 1,000 years - since 1187 when Saladin the Great decreed it was the Arab duty to protect Jews).

In response, the new colonists quietly began raising paramilitary gangs in secret - once their numbers were large enough - in the middle of the night on May 15, to everyone's shock - initiated an ethnic cleansing campaign (called by the Zionists "the Palestinian Civil War", called by the Palestinians "the Catastrophe"), and started kicking people of their houses and engaging in gang rapes and looting.

The U.S. under the American war heroes Col. Truman, Gen. Eisenhower and John Kennedy continued to oppose the Zionist actions, then Kennedy was gunned down like a pig in the streets of Dallas and the U.S. policy - totally coincidentally - did a 180-degree turn overnight under the new breed of American white-collar, office bureaucrat presidents who don't like risking their necks and paychecks.

"We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it." - Moshe Sharett, Israeli Prime Minister

[JCR]

@ gillipeg, Who do you believe repopulated Israel with Jews and when?

This is a straightforward question, not sarcasm or biased.

This isn't a question of belief, it's well documented.

The Aliyah began when tens of thousands of Jews traveled from around the globe to Israel in the 1890s, 1900s, 1910s and 1920s. This immigration was opposed by the native Palestinians as well as the Old Yishuv (the small native Jewish population of Palestine that had lived in peace under Arab protection for 1,000 years - since 1187 when Saladin the Great had ordered all the Jewish property that had been confiscated by European crusaders to be returned to the Jews).

In response, the new colonists quietly began raising paramilitary gangs in secret - once their numbers were large enough - in the middle of the night on May 15, to everyone's shock - initiated an ethnic cleansing campaign (called by the Zionists "the Palestinian Civil War", called by the Palestinians "the Catastrophe"), and started kicking people of their houses and engaging in gang rapes and looting.

The U.S. under the American war heroes Col. Truman, Gen. Eisenhower and John Kennedy continued to oppose the Zionist actions, then Kennedy was gunned down like a pig in the streets of Dallas and the U.S. policy - totally coincidentally - did a 180-degree turn overnight under the new breed of American white-collar, office bureaucrat presidents who don't like risking their necks and paychecks.

"We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it." - Moshe Sharett, Israeli Prime Minister

Are you referring to Nakba - (Arabic - meaning "catastrophe" or "disaster")on 15MAY1958?

[saxitoxin]

@ gillipeg, Who do you believe repopulated Israel with Jews and when?

This is a straightforward question, not sarcasm or biased.

This isn't a question of belief, it's well documented.

The Aliyah began when tens of thousands of Jews traveled from around the globe to Israel in the 1890s, 1900s, 1910s and 1920s. This immigration was opposed by the native Palestinians as well as the Old Yishuv (the small native Jewish population of Palestine that had lived in peace under Arab protection for 1,000 years - since 1187 when Saladin the Great had ordered all the Jewish property that had been confiscated by European crusaders to be returned to the Jews).

In response, the new colonists quietly began raising paramilitary gangs in secret - once their numbers were large enough - in the middle of the night on May 15, to everyone's shock - initiated an ethnic cleansing campaign (called by the Zionists "the Palestinian Civil War", called by the Palestinians "the Catastrophe"), and started kicking people of their houses and engaging in gang rapes and looting.

The U.S. under the American war heroes Col. Truman, Gen. Eisenhower and John Kennedy continued to oppose the Zionist actions, then Kennedy was gunned down like a pig in the streets of Dallas and the U.S. policy - totally coincidentally - did a 180-degree turn overnight under the new breed of American white-collar, office bureaucrat presidents who don't like risking their necks and paychecks.

"We have forgotten that we have not come to an empty land to inherit it, but we have come to conquer a country from people inhabiting it." - Moshe Sharett, Israeli Prime Minister

Are you referring to Nakba - (Arabic - meaning "catastrophe" or "disaster")on 15MAY1958?

The Nakba occurred in 1948, not 1958.

To get in front of the next historical falsehood that is about to be schilled - not a single member of the Haganah (Zionist ethnic cleansing/gang rape teams) command staff was a Holocaust survivor and more than 80% of Haganah troops were part of the wave of emigrants that had arrived between 1888 and 1930 over the protests of the indiginous Palestinians and the Old Yishuv. Some factions of the Haganah actually tried to cut a deal with Hitler - they offered to slaughter American and British troops in the Middle East like pigs if the Nazis would provide them advanced weaponry and agree to help them expel the Arabs.

In 1947, the Haganah introduced the world to the horrors of car bombs when it rammed an explosive-laden truck into a British police station in Haifa, resulting in more than 150 casualties.

[puppydog85]

So has anyone else noticed that Britain has quietly stepped away from all the horrid messes that they stepped into during their Golden Age? And who is now sprinting around trying to solve problems that have been going on for the last 1500 years?

We should have done what England more or less did. They more or less said that they mucked it up, got some sort of treaty signed dividing it the best that could be done in the situation and then got the hell out of Dodge as the saying goes. Leaving the natives to continue to kill each other with just a shade more civilization than they had been doing ever since the beginning of whatever atrocity sparked the wars. (Note: you can read the condescending tone as either truth or a mockery of Victorian ideals)

[saxitoxin]

Q: As of 2012, who perpetrated the most destructive terror bombing in the 2,000 year history of Palestine/(Israel)?

A: The Zionist terrorist group "Haganah" (predecessor to the IDF). In an effort to take-out a senior British civil servant, Zionist terrorists planted six explosive charges on key architectural support pillars in the King David Hotel. The resulting blast killed 100 women, children and hotel guests. Many more were permanently disfigured and maimed.

The event is celebrated today in the "State of Israel."

[nietzsche]

Why do Zionist have that much money to pull the strings of the US?

[2dimes]

Why do Zionist have that much money to pull the strings of the US?

Remember your thread about the guys that print all the moneys? They're the zionists.

[stahrgazer]

If only the men left, I am positing that it was because they were running away. They could have stayed and fought, but didn't. Instead, they abandoned their women and children and went to start new lives elsewhere. I'll admit I don't know the written history on this, I only look at what is scientifically verifiable.

Or, the men were forcibly removed and the women kept as spoils, as frequently happened to women throughout history among many civilizations.

Thing is, if it's okay for someone to be forcibly removed from a territory because someone else won the war, well, consider that Britain won the territory, didn't initially remove all the population that was living in the territory they'd gained; but eventually ceded it over to the Jews and at that time, removed the population that was living in the territory, which makes it as rightfully a Jewish possession as anyone's - considering that the only reason anyone else was there is because a population was removed after someone else won the territory.

As to why America or Britain step in, it's because Israel is a political democracy, which makes it a "natural ally" to other nations that also have political democracies.

[saxitoxin]

Thing is, if it's okay for someone to be forcibly removed from a territory because someone else won the war, well, consider that Britain won the territory, didn't initially remove all the population that was living in the territory they'd gained; but eventually ceded it over to the Jews and at that time, removed the population that was living in the territory, which makes it as rightfully a Jewish possession as anyone's - considering that the only reason anyone else was there is because a population was removed after someone else won the territory.

Good to know. By this Law of Gladiator Conquest, it just means the Arab world needs to fight a war with Israel and win and then they will have a right to the territory.

With the Israelis outnumbered 100-1 and dependent on welfare handouts from their dog, the U.S., which is about to go bankrupt, it means the Day of Reckoning is coming, soon, soon, soon ... tick-tock, tick-tock ...

[_sabotage_]

The Fed, a private bank set up by 14 private individuals to dictate terms to all private banks and the government on how and how much money the government can have at what interest. The money that they decide to print for our country is based purely on trust.

Since its inception the Fed had not been audited. For a long time, mainly Ron Paul has called for an audit. Greenspan concretely refused as well as all chairmen. Recently, more and more people realize that the Fed is not a government agency, but really the private central price fixer that is focused on making itself wealthy regardless of how many suffer.
This September a partial audit revealed that between 3,000,000,000,000 to 16,000,000,000,000 in unauthorized interest free loans were issued without the knowledge of the government in only 4 years. This money went to a wide range of banks in America and Europe. You probably missed as the networks were more concerned with should we vote in Romney to do the same thing Obama is doing anyway.

What does this mean? It means that trillions of dollars in loans are given to banks secured by American taxpayer money that no one in our government was aware of, agreed to and really give a damn about anyway as long as they get theirs.

This is actually directly against the constitution but no one seems to mind. This is something that most of the greatest figures in our history fought against.

Why dont we do something about it? It takes a brave soul to say we need to start from scratch. To admit that all this imagined wealth we have is in fact indentured slavery. Its all debt that is owed to a group of private individuals.

Who are the real owners of the Fed? We dont know. But everything points to the Rothschilds and their country club crew. And this is how we get to Israel.

Balfour Declaration, google it.

This is when the British government promised to provide palestine to the Zionists. The letter was addressed to Baron Rothschild from the British government.

So the same people who likely own our money, own Israel.

[Dukasaur]

Good to know. By this Law of Gladiator Conquest, it just means the Arab world needs to fight a war with Israel and win and then they will have a right to the territory.

With the Israelis outnumbered 100-1 and dependent on welfare handouts from their dog, the U.S., which is about to go bankrupt, it means the Day of Reckoning is coming, soon, soon, soon ... tick-tock, tick-tock ...

Indeed.

Why you take such delight in the idea that the one tiny semi-free nation in the entire region may soon be lost, and the darkness of Sharia dictatorship descend upon the region, I can't understand. Unless your Jew-hating really is powerful enough to overwhelm your otherwise libertarian instincts....

[_sabotage_]

Do you mean semi free as the old meaning, ie without restriction? Then yes, you are right, they are with little restriction. If you mean free as the modern meaning, ie your free if America says you are, then yes. If you mean free as in free to make decisions for yourself, then no Israel is about the least free place on earth.

[GreecePwns]

Good to know. By this Law of Gladiator Conquest, it just means the Arab world needs to fight a war with Israel and win and then they will have a right to the territory.

With the Israelis outnumbered 100-1 and dependent on welfare handouts from their dog, the U.S., which is about to go bankrupt, it means the Day of Reckoning is coming, soon, soon, soon ... tick-tock, tick-tock ...

Indeed.

Why you take such delight in the idea that the one tiny semi-free nation in the entire region may soon be lost, and the darkness of Sharia dictatorship descend upon the region, I can't understand. Unless your Jew-hating really is powerful enough to overwhelm your otherwise libertarian instincts....

South Africa was semi-free for the preferred race too.