All your children belong to us!

[john9blue]

Symmetry posted (on page 2) some discussion. It was ignored by Phatscotty. While I'm no big fan of Symmetry's political views (or greecepwns'), I can readily say that they do not just throw out one-liners.

Don't act like Symmetry typed that in a vacuum dude. You should know better than that.

I think Phatscotty's argument is stupid paranoia; even if it's true that all professors are liberal (which it's not, even just based on anecdotal evidence), there is no evidence that it has had any great effect on American politics (given that, you know 50% or so Americans are conservative).

you're right about page 2; i'll confess to not reading this entire thread before posting.

i do think liberal professors would have a huge impact on american politics. college is the age at which people are most impressionable yet starting to find out about the "real world". that combined with the lack of parental influence, and who else are college students going to turn to (obviously there are exceptions, but generally speaking)? that's not even considering the other reasons they might favor liberalism (benefiting from high tax rates) as well as the positive feedback loop that comes from liberal professors being more likely to have a positive influence on liberal students, who are more likely to have liberal friends, etc.

Indeed, and I've argued against Scotty for a long while on these forums. Scotty does indeed consider the Nazis as left of his position.

economically? in what thread? i'm honestly not a fan of some of scotty's social policies, but i wouldn't say he comes close to the nazis.

[thegreekdog]

i do think liberal professors would have a huge impact on american politics. college is the age at which people are most impressionable yet starting to find out about the "real world". that combined with the lack of parental influence, and who else are college students going to turn to (obviously there are exceptions, but generally speaking)? that's not even considering the other reasons they might favor liberalism (benefiting from high tax rates) as well as the positive feedback loop that comes from liberal professors being more likely to have a positive influence on liberal students, who are more likely to have liberal friends, etc.

I agree there is peer pressure associated with political persuasion and that can come from professors (in addition to peers).

I've found that employment often has an effect on political leanings, for example. But I also know (anecdotally) that no one I knew at college changed from liberal to conservative (or vice versa) because of professors.

[Phatscotty]

Symmetry posted (on page 2) some discussion. It was ignored by Phatscotty. While I'm no big fan of Symmetry's political views (or greecepwns'), I can readily say that they do not just throw out one-liners.


I think Phatscotty's argument is stupid paranoia; even if it's true that all professors are liberal (which it's not, even just based on anecdotal evidence), there is no evidence that it has had any great effect on American politics (given that, you know 50% or so Americans are conservative).

LOL. I bet over 50% of your posts are about me, and over 50% of those put words in my mouth or misrepresent what I actually said, badly. I'm starting to wonder about your credibility

So, prove that you are not a liar or trying to troll, and show me exactly where I said ALL professors are Liberal? If you want to save a little face after you can't find it (because I don't believe that and never have) you might want to peruse the OP again

[notyou2]

I did engineering and didnt notice one single bit of political slant in any class I ever attended (though arguably I was probably too hungover to notice - assuming I even attended the class at all...)

What about that liberal statics professor that felt beams should be free floating and not subject to fulcrums?

[Phatscotty]

Symmetry posted (on page 2) some discussion. It was ignored by Phatscotty. While I'm no big fan of Symmetry's political views (or greecepwns'), I can readily say that they do not just throw out one-liners.


I think Phatscotty's argument is stupid paranoia; even if it's true that all professors are liberal (which it's not, even just based on anecdotal evidence), there is no evidence that it has had any great effect on American politics (given that, you know 50% or so Americans are conservative).

LOL. I bet over 50% of your posts are about me, and over 50% of those put words in my mouth or misrepresent what I actually said, badly. I'm starting to wonder about your credibility

So, prove that you are not a liar or trying to troll, and show me exactly where I said ALL professors are Liberal? If you want to save a little face after you can't find it (because I don't believe that and never have) you might want to peruse the OP again

And I didn't ignore Symmetry's post. I think I said "I can't respond to all posts, I will be back later" That was less than 24 hours ago. "ignoring!!!!".........You're funny

[thegreekdog]

Symmetry posted (on page 2) some discussion. It was ignored by Phatscotty. While I'm no big fan of Symmetry's political views (or greecepwns'), I can readily say that they do not just throw out one-liners.


I think Phatscotty's argument is stupid paranoia; even if it's true that all professors are liberal (which it's not, even just based on anecdotal evidence), there is no evidence that it has had any great effect on American politics (given that, you know 50% or so Americans are conservative).

LOL. I bet over 50% of your posts are about me, and over 50% of those put words in my mouth or misrepresent what I actually said, badly. I'm starting to wonder about your credibility

So, prove that you are not a liar or trying to troll, and show me exactly where I said ALL professors are Liberal? If you want to save a little face after you can't find it (because I don't believe that and never have) you might want to peruse the OP again

I wasn't ascribing the "all professors are liberal" statement to you. My point is that even if all professors are liberal, it doesn't change the underlying logic that if all professors were liberal and professors had enough influence to sway peoples' opinions, there would be no conservatives in the United States that attended college. Perhaps if you actually read my posts instead of reacting with paranoid delusions of grandeur, we could avoid this sort of nonsense in the future.

If you spent more time thinking critically and less time trying to determine how many of my posts are about you or about my credibility, you might actually make some sense occasionally. You're being paranoid and it's not original. I've heard your argument since I was in college and it's still absurd. Some conservatives have this fascination with trying to determine why intelligent people would ever choose the liberal persuasion; their only answer is "they must be indoctrinated by liberal professors." My response is to those conservatives is to fairly, accurately, and with conviction explain your own ideas and intelligent people should listen to you.

[Phatscotty]

Symmetry posted (on page 2) some discussion. It was ignored by Phatscotty. While I'm no big fan of Symmetry's political views (or greecepwns'), I can readily say that they do not just throw out one-liners.


I think Phatscotty's argument is stupid paranoia; even if it's true that all professors are liberal (which it's not, even just based on anecdotal evidence), there is no evidence that it has had any great effect on American politics (given that, you know 50% or so Americans are conservative).

LOL. I bet over 50% of your posts are about me, and over 50% of those put words in my mouth or misrepresent what I actually said, badly. I'm starting to wonder about your credibility

So, prove that you are not a liar or trying to troll, and show me exactly where I said ALL professors are Liberal? If you want to save a little face after you can't find it (because I don't believe that and never have) you might want to peruse the OP again

I wasn't ascribing the "all professors are liberal" statement to you. My point is that even if all professors are liberal, it doesn't change the underlying logic that if all professors were liberal and professors had enough influence to sway peoples' opinions, there would be no conservatives in the United States that attended college. Perhaps if you actually read my posts instead of reacting with paranoid delusions of grandeur, we could avoid this sort of nonsense in the future.

If you spent more time thinking critically and less time trying to determine how many of my posts are about you or about my credibility, you might actually make some sense occasionally. You're being paranoid and it's not original. I've heard your argument since I was in college and it's still absurd. Some conservatives have this fascination with trying to determine why intelligent people would ever choose the liberal persuasion; their only answer is "they must be indoctrinated by liberal professors." My response is to those conservatives is to fairly, accurately, and with conviction explain your own ideas and intelligent people should listen to you.

I'm not being paranoid, (even if you say it 5 more times) I'm showing evidence. I showed the results of a study that found college makes students Liberal/more Liberal, a study done by a Liberal.

Every single professor does not need to be a Liberal in order for college to make students Liberal/more Liberal, and every single student that goes to college does not need to be converted to a Liberal in order to prove that college makes students Liberal/more Liberal. Of course there are exceptions, but overall, in the end, generally students leave college more Liberal then when they started. Those are the results of the study.

[Phatscotty]

by all means, if you want to talk about "why" it is that college professors are the most Liberal dominated occupation in the United States (fact), or "why" it is the norm that college makes students Liberal/more Liberal (evidence to support), that is what all the information looks at.

But nothing can change the results

[thegreekdog]

Symmetry posted (on page 2) some discussion. It was ignored by Phatscotty. While I'm no big fan of Symmetry's political views (or greecepwns'), I can readily say that they do not just throw out one-liners.


I think Phatscotty's argument is stupid paranoia; even if it's true that all professors are liberal (which it's not, even just based on anecdotal evidence), there is no evidence that it has had any great effect on American politics (given that, you know 50% or so Americans are conservative).

LOL. I bet over 50% of your posts are about me, and over 50% of those put words in my mouth or misrepresent what I actually said, badly. I'm starting to wonder about your credibility

So, prove that you are not a liar or trying to troll, and show me exactly where I said ALL professors are Liberal? If you want to save a little face after you can't find it (because I don't believe that and never have) you might want to peruse the OP again

I wasn't ascribing the "all professors are liberal" statement to you. My point is that even if all professors are liberal, it doesn't change the underlying logic that if all professors were liberal and professors had enough influence to sway peoples' opinions, there would be no conservatives in the United States that attended college. Perhaps if you actually read my posts instead of reacting with paranoid delusions of grandeur, we could avoid this sort of nonsense in the future.

If you spent more time thinking critically and less time trying to determine how many of my posts are about you or about my credibility, you might actually make some sense occasionally. You're being paranoid and it's not original. I've heard your argument since I was in college and it's still absurd. Some conservatives have this fascination with trying to determine why intelligent people would ever choose the liberal persuasion; their only answer is "they must be indoctrinated by liberal professors." My response is to those conservatives is to fairly, accurately, and with conviction explain your own ideas and intelligent people should listen to you.

I'm not being paranoid, (even if you say it 5 more times) I'm showing evidence. I showed the results of a study that found college makes students Liberal/more Liberal, a study done by a Liberal.

Every single professor does not need to be a Liberal in order for college to make students Liberal, and every single student that goes to college does not need to be converted to a Liberal in order to prove that college makes students Liberal/more Liberal. Of course there are exceptions, but overall, in the end, generally students leave college more Liberal then when they started. Those are the results of the study.

Sorry it's contrary to your opinion.

You've actually shown no evidence at all. You linked to a study (that, incidentally, you didn't read). Further, the conclusion you provided doesn't actually prove your point.

Students do become Liberal/more Liberal (although he finds it's not substantial, he does find it's true)

Your point (provided in the other thread) and the point of conservatives who believe in university liberal indoctrination, is that such influence is pervasive and effective in indoctrinating students to the liberal persuasion.

But let's look at this dude's study. Did you read the PDF? Do you know what it says? Before you have a chance to go back and read it, it doesn't say anything about the influence professors have over students; rather, it merely discusses the views of professors taking the survey.

In sum, you've provided no proof of any position except that more college professors are liberal than conservative (although the highest percentage is moderate). Your point from the other thread is not any more valid because of the PDF you provided here and the conclusion the professor provided (above) also doesn't help your position.

So, again, spend less time trying to figure out if I'm a stalker who lacks credibility and more time reading your supposed support and thinking about how that supposed support actually helps (or in this case, doesn't help) your position.

[Phatscotty]

Yes, I read it, and I watched a couple hour+ interviews with Niel Gross on C-Span, and I read his articles in the New York times, and I heard an hour long radio interview on the radio with him. Over and over again, he confirms students leave college more Liberal/more Liberal.

The political scientist Mack Mariani and the higher education researcher Gordon Hewitt analyzed changes in student political attitudes between their freshman and senior years at 38 colleges and universities from 1999 to 2003. They found that on average, students shifted somewhat to the left

It’s certainly true that professors are a liberal lot and that religious skepticism is common in the academy. In a survey of more than 1,400 professors that the sociologist Solon Simmons and I conducted in 2006, covering academics in nearly all fields and in institutions ranging from community colleges to elite universities, we found that about half of the professors identified as liberal, as compared to just one in five Americans over all. In the social sciences, humanities and natural sciences, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents outnumbered Republicans by a wide margin; among social scientists, for example, there were 10 Democrats for every Republican. Though a majority of professors said that they believed in God, 20 percent were atheists or agnostics — compared with just 4 percent in the general population.

It’s also true that young college graduates are somewhat more likely to identify as liberal and to hold more liberal attitudes on social issues than their non-college-educated peers.

[Lootifer]

I did engineering and didnt notice one single bit of political slant in any class I ever attended (though arguably I was probably too hungover to notice - assuming I even attended the class at all...)

What about that liberal statics professor that felt beams should be free floating and not subject to fulcrums?

lol...

...or the chemical and process head who advocated for electron-electron bonding.

[Phatscotty]

Greek, I notice you keep going on about "indoctrination", and that's fine. I just want to make sure we both understand, that is an opinion and it falls into the "how and why" it is that students leave college Liberal/more Liberal.

Do you have an opinion as to how or why it is students leave college more Liberal? Or do you disagree with that altogether?

[BigBallinStalin]

Yes, I read it, and I watched a couple hour+ interviews with Niel Gross on C-Span, and I read his articles in the New York times, and I heard an hour long radio interview on the radio with him. Over and over again, he confirms students leave college more Liberal/more Liberal.

The political scientist Mack Mariani and the higher education researcher Gordon Hewitt analyzed changes in student political attitudes between their freshman and senior years at 38 colleges and universities from 1999 to 2003. They found that on average, students shifted somewhat to the left

It’s certainly true that professors are a liberal lot and that religious skepticism is common in the academy. In a survey of more than 1,400 professors that the sociologist Solon Simmons and I conducted in 2006, covering academics in nearly all fields and in institutions ranging from community colleges to elite universities, we found that about half of the professors identified as liberal, as compared to just one in five Americans over all. In the social sciences, humanities and natural sciences, Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents outnumbered Republicans by a wide margin; among social scientists, for example, there were 10 Democrats for every Republican. Though a majority of professors said that they believed in God, 20 percent were atheists or agnostics — compared with just 4 percent in the general population.

It’s also true that young college graduates are somewhat more likely to identify as liberal and to hold more liberal attitudes on social issues than their non-college-educated peers.

This reminds me of a previously quoted study which defined 'liberal' as answering 'Yes' to the question, "should gays be allowed to marry?"

How that makes one a leftist (or more supportive of state intervention in the economy) is beyond me.


(inb4 "legalizing gay marriage is government intervention, thus is a leftist position." This is nonsense since supporting a government's ban on gay marriage would just as 'leftist'.)

[Lootifer]

Greek, I notice you keep going on about "indoctrination", and that's fine. I just want to make sure we both understand, that is an opinion and it falls into the "how and why" it is that students leave college Liberal/more Liberal.

Do you have an opinion as to how or why it is students leave college more Liberal? Or do you disagree with that altogether?

Anecdotedly I would suggest ones peers have a much more powerful influence than professors, but thats just me.

[Phatscotty]

Greek, I notice you keep going on about "indoctrination", and that's fine. I just want to make sure we both understand, that is an opinion and it falls into the "how and why" it is that students leave college Liberal/more Liberal.

Do you have an opinion as to how or why it is students leave college more Liberal? Or do you disagree with that altogether?

Anecdotedly I would suggest ones peers have a much more powerful influence than professors, but thats just me.

Probably because they pay ten grand to take notes on everything their peers say and get tested on it...

[GreecePwns]

Hey greecepwns - you seemed to have a problem with the Catholic university you attended? Why did you go there? Did you not know it was Catholic oriented? Seems weird to criticize it when you could have left or not attended in the first place.

Outside of the theology stuff it was a decent school (and they threw money at me).

[AndyDufresne]

Does anyone have any ideas regarding the age factor? I.E. Young people, by virtue of their years on Earth, often are still developing their own ideas, personality, beliefs, stances, etc.

Do older adults (we'd have to decide what age definition this is, I don't know, just spitballing), leave college more or less liberal, or unchanged?

Also,

show

--Andy

[thegreekdog]

Greek, I notice you keep going on about "indoctrination", and that's fine. I just want to make sure we both understand, that is an opinion and it falls into the "how and why" it is that students leave college Liberal/more Liberal.

Do you have an opinion as to how or why it is students leave college more Liberal? Or do you disagree with that altogether?

I don't know because you haven't provided any evidence of whether students leave college more or less liberal. You keep referring to videos and books, but all you've done from an evidence perspective is post a PDF of a study that shows that there are more liberal professors than conservative professors.

I'm also waiting for an apology (especially considering I read that 76-page PDF looking for any evidence of the students being more liberal point). You haven't shown evidence of any of your points (in this thread). And the indoctrination point is from the other thread that you posted in. If you've changed your mind about that point of view, please do tell.

[Crazyirishman]

In my experience in college I've had a fair number of conservative professors and liberal professors, and they've been from a multitude of countries, as well as myself taking class in 3 different countries/settings.

I know for a fact, that most of my philosophy professors are liberal, but they will argue points that they themselves do not believe in for the sake of providing both sides of an issue. In some cases they will argue for a conservative viewpoint to contradict something that a liberal student brings up just cuz that's the kind of things philosophers do.

I don't feel that I've become 'more liberal' than I was 3 years ago, since liberal & conservative are terms relative to your environment. In my hometown, I was considered to be more liberal, and when I moved out to the east coast for school, I was considered to be more conservative. This still appears to be the case when I talk to people.

[john9blue]

I agree there is peer pressure associated with political persuasion and that can come from professors (in addition to peers).

I've found that employment often has an effect on political leanings, for example. But I also know (anecdotally) that no one I knew at college changed from liberal to conservative (or vice versa) because of professors.

i witnessed a few people go from conservative to liberal during my 4 years at university. i also had one geoscience professor who openly criticized republicans and christians.

anecdotal, though, and to be fair, i went to a very liberal/progressive university, so i can't speak for everyone.

[Lootifer]

SO MUCH ANECDOTAL!

[Phatscotty]

Greek, I notice you keep going on about "indoctrination", and that's fine. I just want to make sure we both understand, that is an opinion and it falls into the "how and why" it is that students leave college Liberal/more Liberal.

Do you have an opinion as to how or why it is students leave college more Liberal? Or do you disagree with that altogether?

I don't know because you haven't provided any evidence of whether students leave college more or less liberal. You keep referring to videos and books, but all you've done from an evidence perspective is post a PDF of a study that shows that there are more liberal professors than conservative professors.

I'm also waiting for an apology (especially considering I read that 76-page PDF looking for any evidence of the students being more liberal point). You haven't shown evidence of any of your points (in this thread). And the indoctrination point is from the other thread that you posted in. If you've changed your mind about that point of view, please do tell.

I have not changed my mind. There are college professors who do in fact make it their life mission to indoctrinate as many students as possible. There is indoctrination. I have witnessed it and one time went along with it for the grade and another time I didn't. But, of course that isn't true for every single person, or every single professor.

The only thing I missed in making the overall point "College turns out Liberals" is leave out a key phrase.

"Indoctrination.....amongst other things"

The evidence I guess you are ignoring at this point was done in a survey that tracked college Freshman until their senior year. It found Students are overall more Liberal in their senior year. If that isn't a piece of evidence, then what is it?

So long as there is 1% of professors who indoctrinate, then indoctrination is one reason of many other reasons why it is true that colleges turn out Liberal students.

I have an idea. Why don't you attempt to talk about this, and not about me.

The political scientist Mack Mariani and the higher education researcher Gordon Hewitt analyzed changes in student political attitudes between their freshman and senior years at 38 colleges and universities from 1999 to 2003. They found that on average, students shifted somewhat to the left

p.s. At least you admit that there are more Liberal professors than Conservatives. Now, if you can understand it's more like 10-1 in certain areas, and even as high as 33 Liberals for every 1 Conservative, we can stop trying to minimize the truth into "okay, so there are a couple more Liberal professors than Conservative professors"

so let me summarize your point as I understand it. "18 year olds enter the most Liberal dominated institutions in America, stay there for 4 years, but that has no influence on 18 and 19 and 20 year olds"

[Phatscotty]

I agree there is peer pressure associated with political persuasion and that can come from professors (in addition to peers).

I've found that employment often has an effect on political leanings, for example. But I also know (anecdotally) that no one I knew at college changed from liberal to conservative (or vice versa) because of professors.

really.....So, what % of 18 year olds even know what a Liberal or Conservative is? The majority? or the minority? What you say would only address the issue if it were true 100% of students know if they are Liberal or Conservative, and then didn't change.

However, the truth is the vast majority of students do not know if they are Liberal or Conservative at 18 years old. They aren't exactly learning Conservative ideas in the most Liberal dominated institutions in America, and it's highly likely Liberal do not know Conservative ideas or even intentionally misrepresent Conservatives (only hundreds of examples of this). The vast majority of students go to college not knowing exactly what they are, and come out Liberal. But it's only natural, universities are the most Liberal dominated institutions in America.

[thegreekdog]

I normally hate parsing out posts, but I'm going to do it here.

Greek, I notice you keep going on about "indoctrination", and that's fine. I just want to make sure we both understand, that is an opinion and it falls into the "how and why" it is that students leave college Liberal/more Liberal.

Do you have an opinion as to how or why it is students leave college more Liberal? Or do you disagree with that altogether?

I don't know because you haven't provided any evidence of whether students leave college more or less liberal. You keep referring to videos and books, but all you've done from an evidence perspective is post a PDF of a study that shows that there are more liberal professors than conservative professors.

I'm also waiting for an apology (especially considering I read that 76-page PDF looking for any evidence of the students being more liberal point). You haven't shown evidence of any of your points (in this thread). And the indoctrination point is from the other thread that you posted in. If you've changed your mind about that point of view, please do tell.

I have not changed my mind. There are college professors who do in fact make it their life mission to indoctrinate as many students as possible. There is indoctrination. I have witnessed it and one time went along with it for the grade and another time I didn't. But, of course that isn't true for every single person, or every single professor.

And this is anecdotal evidence that others have provided. I've provided anecdotal evidence from law school, for example. You have NOT provided any link to any study showing that this has been proven.

The only thing I missed in making the overall point "College turns out Liberals" is leave out a key phrase.

"Indoctrination.....amongst other things"

The evidence I guess you are ignoring at this point was done in a survey that tracked college Freshman until their senior year. It found Students are overall more Liberal in their senior year. If that isn't a piece of evidence, then what is it?

I have an idea. Why don't you attempt to talk about this, and not about me.

The political scientist Mack Mariani and the higher education researcher Gordon Hewitt analyzed changes in student political attitudes between their freshman and senior years at 38 colleges and universities from 1999 to 2003. They found that on average, students shifted somewhat to the left

I think you are confusing the term "evidence" with the phrase "what Phatscotty posted." For the fourth (?) time here, I'm going to state that you did not provide evidence... no study, no link to a study, no video, no link to a video... indicating that a survey was done of college freshmen finding that students are overall more liberal in their senior year. You've merely said it was done. That's not enough for me. I need to be able to read the study to determine whether there are any flaws in it. For example, if the study exists, did the study asks respondents why they are more liberal? As another example, if the study exists, how many students were polled? As a third example, did the study answer the question of why there are conservatives who aren't swayed by liberal professores?

In order to adequately and accurately determine whether the conclusion has merit, I need the evidence. You haven't provided it, despite your many posts in this thread. I'm not just going to take your quoted language above and try to make an argument. I've already stated that "on average, students shifted somewhat to the left" is not really evidence supporting your rather strong indoctrination theories from the other thread. First, it's a conclusion. Second, it doesn't support your argument at all; if anything, it tells me that we shouldn't really care all that much if students shifted "somewhat to the left" "on average." Which reinforces my theory that this is all paranoid nonsense.

p.s. At least you admit that there are more Liberal professors than Conservatives. Now, if you can understand it's more like 10-1 in certain areas, and even as high as 33 Liberals for every 1 Conservative, we can stop trying to minimize the truth into "okay, so there are a couple more Liberal professors than Conservative professors"

I think "admit" is the wrong word. I held no conclusion or theory one way or another on what political persuasion professors are. Based on anecdotal evidence (my own), I found that I could not determine most of my professors' political affiliations, but where I could, they was a smattering of liberal and conservative. Also based on anecdotal evidence (again my own), I found that most of my law school professors were liberal. That's all been posted in this thread.

So, I read the study you linked to (the 76 page PDF). It survey more than 1,000 professors and asked them their political views. The result was that more were liberal than conservative (although more were moderate than liberal).

so let me summarize your point as I understand it. "18 year olds enter the most Liberal dominated institutions in America, stay there for 4 years, but that has no influence on 18 and 19 and 20 year olds"

See above in this post where I ased this question - Why are students more liberal? Is it because of their professors? Is it because of their peers? Is it because they want to bang strangers and experiment with illegal drugs?

I'll summarize my points for you (since you did a bad job):

(1) The study shows that more professors are liberal than conservative by a wide margin;
(2) You've provided no evidence showing that on average students are slightly more liberal (you posted the conclusion... not evidence);
(3) Your theory in the other thread about indoctrination is not supported by evidence.
(4) Your theory in the other thread about indoctrination is not supported by the conclusion (i.e. (2)) that you've provided.
(5) The conclusion you posed "somewhat more liberal on average" makes me think I shouldn't care about this issue.
(6) Anecdotally, my own experience has led me to conclude that the classes I attended in college were taught by professors that I could not classify politically and that classes I attended in law school were taught by liberal professors.
(7) Anecdotally, the liberal professors in law school had no effect on political persuasions of the students.

[Phatscotty]

Alright Greeky, here is the deal. I know it's confusing trying to mend this thread with one from last December or something, but all I want to do here is show that college tilts people to the Left.

I will post Mack Mariani and Gordon Hewitt and their studies and we can look at their work and discuss it, as well as any other studies on the issue anyone else wants to share. This will take a bit, so don't go accusing me of ignoring you if it's not posted in under 24 hours.