It was great, accept it is over America

[Serbia]

Phatscootty, when the initial reports came out and they refused to disclose the race of the officer, then you could take that to understand he was white. Why? If he was anything but white they would have been saying it from the get go. If the officer had been punched so hard that he had a fractured eye socket, they would have said that too.

Fabricated, after the fact excuse. The IRS doesn't keep any records, we bombed their embassy because we were using a pre WWI map, the dictionary I was using didn't contain oral sex as sexual relations.

Quoted for idiocy. Just because the cop was white and the victim black doesn't make this a race crime. When a group of black people beat the shit out of a white motorist in Detroit, there were no race riots. And now we're going to fabricate broken bones. Brilliant!

Bollocks.

[shickingbrits]

Wasn't implying it was a race crime, was implying that by default we could know the cop was white because they refused to disclose the race. If the cop was Asian, Latino, Black, Native or any other race, it would have been disclosed immediately.

Second, PS has posted elsewhere that 13 witnesses have come forward, after the fact (because they were scared of a dead man) that he was in a fighting stance. Not a reasonable argument. Just an attempt to create plausible deniability.

Cops don't like cameras pointed at them and don't want to wear cameras. Were a camera worn and showed that Mr Brown was indeed assaulting the officer, I would then say the officer should take appropriate action to de-escalate the situation. Mase, taser, back-up, restraint. We don't give cops the benefit of the doubt because they face dangerous situations, we give them the benefit of the doubt when they act within the sphere of danger presented by the situation.

[tzor]

What exactly do you mean by "at least"? I think a daily orgy or two would be just what is needed to make the current administration interesting.

No one wants an interesting administration. It's bad enough the Vice President skinny dips. It's causing morale problems in the secret service.

[nietzsche]

Americans, why would you take this thread seriously, why don't troll OP to death?

[GoranZ]

Far from Over.
America controls da oil baby!
No worries, we are all headed in the same direction...America is on the fast track.

Roman Empire was acting as America is acting now... the downfall was quite quick and America's downfall can happen in your lifetime
So you should be afraid, very afraid

Uh, correction. The Roman Empire lasted, technically speaking, from 27 BC-1453 AD, in one form or another. And even their decline took centuries before even the Western half fell. It would be centuries more before the Eastern half would eventually follow suit.

Theodosius I was the last emperor that ruled united Empire until his death in 395... Western part ceased to exist in 476, so the centuries you are as real as last years snow
Byzantine Empire did lasted more then 1 millennia but its influence was nothing compared to the influence of the Roman Empire... Surviving is one thing, Influencing the whole known world is another
As I posted in one of the other threads, I dont think that anyone would replace US as leading power in American continent any time soon but I dont think that same will apply to the rest of the world.

You said the downfall of the Roman Empire was swift. I pointed it out it was anything but. Even with all the corruption, invasions, and lack of nationalism, the Western Empire alone lasted about 500 years (after it was established as an empire), and including the Eastern Empire (late known as the Byzantines) it lasted another 1000 years. It was also not only one of the largest cities, but highly influential for about 1000 years. Not just in the region, but throughout Europe and the Mediterranean area. Not to mention it was a central trade route for a very long time.

Why are you beating the dead horse... US is going downhill at high speed, and Western Roman Empire lasted less then 200 years(if we include the years with common emperor with Eastern part)

P.S. It is acceptable to be patriot and to not give up... but will you do that once US starts sinking at alarming rate or will you chicken out?

[shickingbrits]

Goranz,

Don't gloat, Canada will still be happy to wipe the smirk off your face even if the US is tied up internally. The average American still has ideals and this site shows a wide range of ideas springing out from Americans.

What many people don't seem to differentiate on this site is the concept of state and citizen. You are doing this. Don't do this. What if I did this? The only Macedonian I've ever spoken to asked me to spear him. Is that Macedonia? A place to spear people?

What would be best for the US, for Canada and for all of lesser Macedonia is for the US to stop fucking everyone including themselves. It would be for a quiet revolution to dispose of the state and install one more conducive to domestic and international respect.

[Dukasaur]

America continues to be a great land and a great people. Only the government sucks.

Once the dollar finally collapses and the federal government is forced to shut down, there may be some short-term pain, but great long-term gain.

[Phatscotty]

Phatscootty, when the initial reports came out and they refused to disclose the race of the officer, then you could take that to understand he was white. Why? If he was anything but white they would have been saying it from the get go. If the officer had been punched so hard that he had a fractured eye socket, they would have said that too.

Fabricated, after the fact excuse. The IRS doesn't keep any records, we bombed their embassy because we were using a pre WWI map, the dictionary I was using didn't contain oral sex as sexual relations.

Quoted for idiocy. Just because the cop was white and the victim black doesn't make this a race crime. When a group of black people beat the shit out of a white motorist in Detroit, there were no race riots. And now we're going to fabricate broken bones. Brilliant!

Bollocks.

Nah, I think Shicky is on to something.

I say, if the cop were anything but white, nobody would be saying anything at all. Roughly 3,000 black people have been shot and killed since Trayvon Martin til Michael Brown. Nobody ever talks about any of them, not even a mention in the media. But this isn't the place for all that.

[targetman377]

US. ranked 19 in the wold for corruption based on 19 United Stateshttp://www.transparency.org/cpi2013/results bassed out of 177 countries.

Us is ranked 33rd in healthhttp://images.businessweek.com/bloomberg/pdfs/WORLDS_HEALTHIEST_COUNTRIES.pdf

US is ranked 10th in Education http://www.therichest.com/rich-list/world/great-grades-the-10-best-educated-countries-in-the-world/?view=all

US is ranked 12th freest economy http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/368410/us-drops-top-ten-freest-countries-2014-index-economic-freedom-alec-torres

US has the largest economy with a gnp of about 16 trillion dollars, (in Oder to beat that you have to combine the economies of the euro zone in order to scrap up to 17 trillion

us has never been feared (except during world war 2 for most of it history the rest of the wold kind of laughed at us.

feared.... define feared? irrational shoots nuke anytime we want? i feel like north Korea can take this or do you mean militarily?? ohhh Defense Budget: $689,591,000,000 i would like to point out that the next largest spender on military is china Defense Budget: $129,272,000,000 so Just a wee less.

Mr. Austrian i understand where you are coming from and most Americans actually agree with you.... that america needs to mind its own dam business. But when nations contract they actually make themselves more vonurble don't believe me look at Rome. Also america is not the freest or anything thing you said (except for the wealthiest and military best in the world) But here is the important thing about america. it is not numbers that defined america to the rest of the world those that do not live hear they love to spout numbers. But it is a simple concept that anyone who moves here or lives here now knows that is the american dream yes not everyone will achevie it but most people who come here and even the Americans that live here believe it. all you have to do is come to america. we are not the best however no one seems to want the job of police

The US government is not exceptional. Even when you face the evidence, you make excuses. Stop it.

i never said it was however when the founders created our constitution it was the greatest constitiion to ever be created. ( NOT WHAT IT IS NOW!!) but still better then most the world.

[Phatscotty]

Dear United States of America, please get over yourself. Once the world envied the freedoms you used to have, the generosity you showed to others starting at home with your own people. The value americans put on education with great policies like the GI bill helped to make America great for a while. Now the land of the free is a tautological slip of the tongue. You don't look after those that shed blood for your country, maybe because they are not fighting for america, they are fighting for oil companies and corporate fat cats. Slavery was abolished, only to be applied to over 80% of the population. Thinly disguised with an airbrushed veneer of self determination. America jumped the shark when the french called America arrogant and the rest of the world agreed. A nation that leads the world in teenage pregnancy, divorce, abortion, obesity, illiteracy, cost of health care(preventable deaths), police brutality, racially motivated governmental violence, the list could go on. A nation leading in the aforementioned categories really has no place lecturing the world on morals, ethics, or anything not directly related to ruining a good thing in the place of 1 1/2 generations.
Shame on you America
Shame on you Americans for shrilly bleating redundant lies.

Americans you are not
- Free
- Educated
- Healthy
- Wealthy
- Loved
- Respected
- Feared
- Admired

Dear America, do you feel you can recover? Do you have plans for fixing your broken two party duoply of similar choices. Will you ever be again for the people, by the people?

Sincerely

A bemused onlooker



ps
Get fucked thought police, the above is balanced, not bigoted or racist. Americans are not a race, they take great pains to classify themselves as having different racial backgrounds.

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[TA1LGUNN3R]

Serious questions time.

Why should we care if we aren't number one anymore? All I've seen being number one has done is to paint a target on our backs (for many good reasons, I'm sure). Everyone hates us.

I'd totally be fine with being some obscure country that nobody gives a shit about.

-TG

[Phatscotty]

The US government is not exceptional. Even when you face the evidence, you make excuses. Stop it.

The US government currently is the opposite of exceptional, yet many American leader and past governments along with civilians, individually as well as collectively have been highly exceptional without doubt.

[BoganGod]

Serious questions time.

Why should we care if we aren't number one anymore? All I've seen being number one has done is to paint a target on our backs (for many good reasons, I'm sure). Everyone hates us.

I'd totally be fine with being some obscure country that nobody gives a shit about.

-TG

Really? Am I hearing a rational American voice, be still my beating heart. Not everyone hates you, they may well hate America's foreign expansionist wars for oil, and targeted assassinations of people without trial or due process.

America continues to be a great land and a great people. Only the government sucks.

Once the dollar finally collapses and the federal government is forced to shut down, there may be some short-term pain, but great long-term gain.

A socialist dinosaur...... Tautology is strong in this one

Realize it`s a global economy , all are coming here and acquiring wealth , It`s the citizens that don`t understand why their being exploited . Thats what it all boils down to. With technology advancing ten fold daily , the americans will soon be more oppressed than north koreans.

if america recalled all her naval vessels from the waters of the world , what will the end result be ?

Other governments would fill in the gaps of perceived insecurity.

Next question, please.

Also:

"With technology advancing ten fold daily , the americans will soon be more oppressed than north koreans."

Please expand on this argument. If not, then we can dismiss your position as merely 'crackpot'.

+1

The US government is not exceptional. Even when you face the evidence, you make excuses. Stop it.

Hear, Hear, haters calling me Australian and trying to change the subject, going off topic completely....

[warmonger1981]

If America defaults on our debt or currency collapse I suspect nukes fly shortly after. People will pissed. I hear SDR's issued by WB or IMF may be a short term option. I can't remember who issues them for sure. Someone correct me.
TG if America doesn't stay number one we will probably be target more. Since we would be weaker and all.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

If America defaults on our debt or currency collapse I suspect nukes fly shortly after. People will pissed. I hear SDR's issued by WB or IMF may be a short term option. I can't remember who issues them for sure. Someone correct me.
TG if America doesn't stay number one we will probably be target more. Since we would be weaker and all.

Targeted by whom? We still have a pretty large population and vast territory, and this isn't the colonial era, not to mention our overpowering military assets. At no point would another country just randomly decide to say, "hey, let's steal all the oil from the U.S., they're a bunch of pussies who won't fight back."

At what point does this paranoia over "being number one" best the future relations with other countries?

Just my two cents, but I think we'd be happier if we focused the majority of our many resources upon the development of sciences, medicine, and technology, rather than the money pit that is the American foreign policy. Admittedly this is the point of view of someone who doesn't really keep up with world events.

-TG

[Phatscotty]

If America defaults on our debt or currency collapse I suspect nukes fly shortly after. People will pissed. I hear SDR's issued by WB or IMF may be a short term option. I can't remember who issues them for sure. Someone correct me.
TG if America doesn't stay number one we will probably be target more. Since we would be weaker and all.

That's so messed up. Out no where earlier today I was wondering about SDR's (special drawing rights) because it's been many years since I've heard anyone talking about them. I thought maybe they were gonna watch some other countries try different things and guinea pig them, find a way to suck them into supporting some new global system.

[tzor]

Americans, why would you take this thread seriously, why don't troll OP to death?

Take a thread seriously? You mean we are supposed to take threads seriously?

[tzor]

Why are you beating the dead horse... US is going downhill at high speed, and Western Roman Empire lasted less then 200 years(if we include the years with common emperor with Eastern part)

NO it's not. The US is slowly declining and that is with all the weight of government and the bureaucracy pushing down on it. That pressure can't last forever, you know, not even the great FDR was able to punish the nation forever.

Indeed it would be wonderful if it were over. As Yogi Berra once said, "Nobody goes there anymore; it's too crowded." Yes, if people weren't coming to our nation by the millions I would definitely say it was "over." Yes, it's all over. Go away. (Activate the Gault's Gulch Cloaking Device.) Nothing to see here.

[BoganGod]

Americans, why would you take this thread seriously, why don't troll OP to death?

Take a thread seriously? You mean we are supposed to take threads seriously?

nietzsche just like his idol/example of the same name suffers from terminal syphilis. One of the higher functions to go first is a sense of humour. Sad really. Off course you shouldn't take off topic's seriously. Vent steam, dribble shit, and enjoy. If you happen to find a kernel of truth in amongst the self involved dross, just treasure it and ponder on it for a while before yawning and moving on.

[KoolBak]

Am I to understand that Mexico is under fire as well?

[GoranZ]

Goranz,

Don't gloat, Canada will still be happy to wipe the smirk off your face even if the US is tied up internally. The average American still has ideals and this site shows a wide range of ideas springing out from Americans.

What many people don't seem to differentiate on this site is the concept of state and citizen. You are doing this. Don't do this. What if I did this? The only Macedonian I've ever spoken to asked me to spear him. Is that Macedonia? A place to spear people?

What would be best for the US, for Canada and for all of lesser Macedonia is for the US to stop fucking everyone including themselves. It would be for a quiet revolution to dispose of the state and install one more conducive to domestic and international respect.

Wait a minute... If you drastically change the government(and probably with that how the country is lead), what I said could not apply(except in history books). Example: Compare Russia under Yeltsin and Putin.
What I see in the US government is its inability to produce progress based on US qualities and not based on exploitation of others. What current US government is using around the world is divide and conquer and thus it is creating a lot of enemies which would gladly support US division if such opportunity arises .
And there is no D from Democracy in US. Example: Why those that didn't voted are not included in the total count?(they voted for no one or better said for empty seat). This is how Democracy should be.

What I also said is that regardless of everything US will still be largest player in America's for long time. So at worst US will be large player for some time, but not as large as it is today(meaning there will be competitors).

[BoganGod]

Goranz,

Don't gloat, Canada will still be happy to wipe the smirk off your face even if the US is tied up internally. The average American still has ideals and this site shows a wide range of ideas springing out from Americans.

What many people don't seem to differentiate on this site is the concept of state and citizen. You are doing this. Don't do this. What if I did this? The only Macedonian I've ever spoken to asked me to spear him. Is that Macedonia? A place to spear people?

What would be best for the US, for Canada and for all of lesser Macedonia is for the US to stop fucking everyone including themselves. It would be for a quiet revolution to dispose of the state and install one more conducive to domestic and international respect.

Wait a minute... If you drastically change the government(and probably with that how the country is lead), what I said could not apply(except in history books). Example: Compare Russia under Yeltsin and Putin.
What I see in the US government is its inability to produce progress based on US qualities and not based on exploitation of others. What current US government is using around the world is divide and conquer and thus it is creating a lot of enemies which would gladly support US division if such opportunity arises .
And there is no D from Democracy in US. Example: Why those that didn't voted are not included in the total count?(they voted for no one or better said for empty seat). This is how Democracy should be.

What I also said is that regardless of everything US will still be largest player in America's for long time. So at worst US will be large player for some time, but not as large as it is today(meaning there will be competitors).

What I said amongst other things was that America is no longer great, and is not the leader of the world in positive categories anymore. America may still be a large bully for many years to come, just won't be the only bully on the block.

[Gweeedo]

Goranz,

Don't gloat, Canada will still be happy to wipe the smirk off your face even if the US is tied up internally. The average American still has ideals and this site shows a wide range of ideas springing out from Americans.

What many people don't seem to differentiate on this site is the concept of state and citizen. You are doing this. Don't do this. What if I did this? The only Macedonian I've ever spoken to asked me to spear him. Is that Macedonia? A place to spear people?

What would be best for the US, for Canada and for all of lesser Macedonia is for the US to stop fucking everyone including themselves. It would be for a quiet revolution to dispose of the state and install one more conducive to domestic and international respect.

Wait a minute... If you drastically change the government(and probably with that how the country is lead), what I said could not apply(except in history books). Example: Compare Russia under Yeltsin and Putin.
What I see in the US government is its inability to produce progress based on US qualities and not based on exploitation of others. What current US government is using around the world is divide and conquer and thus it is creating a lot of enemies which would gladly support US division if such opportunity arises .
And there is no D from Democracy in US. Example: Why those that didn't voted are not included in the total count?(they voted for no one or better said for empty seat). This is how Democracy should be.

What I also said is that regardless of everything US will still be largest player in America's for long time. So at worst US will be large player for some time, but not as large as it is today(meaning there will be competitors).

What I said amongst other things was that America is no longer great, and is not the leader of the world in positive categories anymore. America may still be a large bully for many years to come, just won't be the only bully on the block.

But we will still be the biggest!
I am sure we will take half the Globe down with us.
Not sure we will have the chance, looks like the middle East will be the beginning of the end for all of us.
Eat drink do marry, for tomorrow we die!!

[shickingbrits]

Sorry to burst your bubble Gweedo, but the military-industrial complex and our economic hitmen which did so much to put the world and the US in the current situation have no actual affiliation with the US besides their ability to defraud the US taxpayer using its own government and other rogue guerrilla fighters.

When they covered up their embezzlement of $2 trillion on 9-11, you gave them trillions more for their efforts. When they destroy the US in order to establish their NWO, how much do you plan on giving them? All you really have is your consent to be governed and I can see you've already given that up.

What the people who are smiling and happy at the downfall of the US should be worried about is the influence which trashed the US is about to expand to become a world body through the trashing of the US and the world. Just as the financial sector was rewarded for creating a housing bubble, the military was rewarded for 9-11, they expect to be rewarded for this.

What Bogan should be worried about is that the same men who sit at the right hand of the corrupting power now have their hands on the wheels of Australia, Canada, the EU, etc. Don't get too involved in the downfall of the US, instead lend hope to a new start without the corruption. Be careful how you condemn and to who you lend your support.

A new start. Which direction will it be?