Symmetry wrote:mandalorian2298 wrote:Symmetry wrote:mandalorian2298 wrote:Bernie Sanders wrote:No such thing as Macedonian origin. Ask the Greeks about how you stole that name.
Croatian killing and raping Muslim women and children is well documented.
You are a small minded bigot who backs tyrants and murderers.
Regarding the part about the Macedonian origin, that is one of the stupidest things that I have ever read. Given how tough the competition is when it comes to the stupid things that can be read on the internet, that is an impressive achievement. I am guessing that you are currently searching for the descendents of Amerigo Vespucci so that you can return your nationality to them.
As for those well documented rapings and killings of
children, I would be very interested in reading that document. I don't suppose you have a link that you would care to share?
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/05/30/world/europe/6-bosnian-croats-convicted-of-killing-muslims-in-92-95-war.html?referer=&_r=0The court’s judgment was more than 2,600 pages. A summary that was read aloud in court did not provide many details, but it said the president of Croatia at the time, Franjo Tudjman, and his defense minister, Gojko Susak, were part of a “joint criminal enterprise” that led to the persecution, abuse, rape and killing of Muslims and ethnic Serbs in eight Bosnian provinces in 1992 and 1993. Mr. Tudjman and Mr. Susak have since died.
“These crimes were not committed in a random manner by a few undisciplined soldiers,” the presiding judge, Jean-Claude Antonetti said, reading the summary. Rather, he said, they were part of a planned military campaign to force Muslims out of the mixed-population areas of western Bosnia, leaving them populated only by Croats.
Hope that helps.
It would help if you could read.
I know that some Croats ( as well as some Serbs and Bosniacs) have been convicted of war crimes against civilian population. What got my interest was your co-troll's sensational rambling about
children being killed and raped by my countrymen.
Children! Since I am as of yet unaware of any Croatian soliders being conviceted, or even accused of raping children, or deliberately killing children based on their nationality, I just wanted to clarify if this is something that actually happened or just another sad side effect of Bernie being improperly medicated.
Well, you could always look at the case:
http://www.icty.org/sid/11324In relation to Mostar, the Chamber found that during the evictions of Bosnian Muslims from West Mostar (which was claimed by the Croats) to East Mostar, HVO soldiers exercised “extreme violence”. “The Muslims were awakened in the middle of the night or early in the morning, beaten and forced out of their homes, often in their pyjamas. Many women, including one 16-year-old girl, were raped by HVO soldiers”. Between June 1993 and April 1994, the HVO laid siege to East Mostar. Muslim population living there was subject to “intensive and constant” shelling which left many civilians dead or wounded.
The Chamber established that the HVO destroyed the Old Bridge in Mostar on 8 November 1993. The majority, Judge Antonetti dissenting, concluded that “although the Bridge was used by the ABiH and thus constituted a legitimate military target for the HVO, its destruction caused disproportionate damage to the Muslim civilian population of Mostar.”
A considerable body of evidence pertained to HVO detention facilities, including among others Heliodrom, Gabela, Dretelj, Vojno and Ljubuški prison. On the basis of abundant witness testimony from former detainees, the Chamber determined that the conditions of detention at such centres were “particularly difficult”. Many of the imprisoned and detained Muslims were kept in horrible conditions and deprived of basic human necessities, such as adequate food, water and medical care. Many suffered inhumane treatment and physical and psychological abuse, including beatings and sexual assaults. Some were used as forced labourers on the front lines, which resulted in the death or injury of a number of them.
You could really have looked this stuff up yourself.
Very good, you have managed to find one case of raping of a minor in two tries. And still zero cases of killing children.
Now that we have taught you how to read, we shall proceed to learn about the difference between isolated incidents and general rules.
As I said before, I am aware of Croatian soldiers that have been convicted of war crimes. However, there is a big difference between 1) a solider raping a 16 year old girl; 2) soldiers raping children during, for example, conquest of a city; 3) an army which condones or even encourages raping and killing of children.
Only in the third case is it justified to make general statement about the whole army or, as an insult, to the nation. You need quote a general trend, not just isolated incidents.
For example, if you ever come up with some document stating that, let's say 30% of the victims of rape committed by Croatian soldiers had been under 16 years of age, then you could make a general statement, something like:
"According to <source>, during the war Croatian soldiers were as fond of raping children as British people are today (according to "The Guardian"
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/11/30-of-female-victims-under-16 )."
Until you manage to find such an article, I presume that Croatian babysitters will continue to successfully find employment in UK.
Both US and Israel and 95% of world's population is recognizing my country as Republic of Macedonia. So much for the stealing part 
