Kavanaugh- Alleged victim comes forward

[GabonX]

I can't even tell if you're being serious anymore. Consider me trolled.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

OK. I posted a source of one of the very few times a woman can be credibly proven as making up a sexual assault claim, and it was O'Keefe stooges trying to frame the Washington Post as printing anything. A literal organized effort to fake a sexual assault claim (sure, they were organized by idiots, but they were darlings of the Republican Party) and the WaPo wouldn't run it, because they do this thing called "fact-checking". Reddit isn't literature.

[riskllama]

OK. I posted a source of one of the very few times a woman can be credibly proven as making up a sexual assault claim, and it was O'Keefe stooges trying to frame the Washington Post as printing anything. A literal organized effort to fake a sexual assault claim (sure, they were organized by idiots, but they were darlings of the Republican Party) and the WaPo wouldn't run it, because they do this thing called "fact-checking". Reddit isn't literature.

emmet till?

[thegreekdog]

I can't even tell if you're being serious anymore. Consider me trolled.

Hmm... I seriously think Kavanaugh does not get appointed because of this. I also seriously think (most) liberals are fucking insane hypocritical assholes, including those in the media and those who are ostensibly intelligent. I'm tired of putting politics, pandering and red team / blue team competition above intelligent, reasonable and polite discourse.

[GabonX]

When it comes to the question of women lying about rape, it's probably more accurate to say that very few women would lie about being raped, but the ones who would lie about it make up a disproportionately high number, probably the majority, of total rape claims.

It's Pareto's principle in action, the 80/20 rule.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

[Neoteny]

Hey Gabon, do you have that literature handy for backing up these claims?

[GabonX]

What specifically are you asking for?

[Neoteny]

The exact opposite is true. Whereas men can use physical intimidation to coerce, women use slander, social manipulation and character assassination. The literature is very clear on this.

To claim that women "rarely fake these things" is to claim that unstable women or women suffering from psychological pathologies are "rare."

Specifically these statements. Preferably review articles or research documents, but I'll take whatever it is that convinced you the literature is clear on these things. I honestly haven't looked into and am genuinely curious.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Hey Gabon, do you have that literature handy for backing up these claims?

[Neoteny]

Like, you never really responded to spurg's request and Tails has posted two racially motivated (not due to psychological issues) cases almost a century old. Like "literature" usually indicates some sort of comprehensive review or analysis, so I'm just hoping to see something along those lines, century old or not.

Give me Kermit Peterson or something. I probably won't even press too hard on it. I'm just curious.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Like, you never really responded to spurg's request and Tails has posted two racially motivated (not due to psychological issues) cases almost a century old. Like "literature" usually indicates some sort of comprehensive review or analysis, so I'm just hoping to see something along those lines, century old or not.

Give me Kermit Peterson or something. I probably won't even press too hard on it. I'm just curious.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/nyregion/innocence-project-manhattan-rape.html

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.apnews.com/amp/47524e930a434068a819bc0cd4646b38

[GabonX]

Gender differences have been repeatedly demonstrated, especially in the assessment of antisocial behavior and the differentiation of borderline personality disorder and psychopathy which have to be addressed. Group comparisons based on these diagnostic methods found lower inhibitory deficits but less aggressive behavior in female participants with respect to the first main symptom category. For the second symptom category, emotional detachment, so far there are almost no findings reporting gender differences but only few direct gender comparisons have been carried out. However, highly psychopathic women from the general population demonstrate a stronger correlation between psychopathic traits and self-perception as negotiation partner compared to men: they (women) make more use of manipulation and perceive themselves as more powerful in negotiation situations.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 013-3902-9

women more often display a more relational and verbal form of aggression.51,52,56 This may, for instance, occur through manipulation of social networks in attempting to exclude the victim from a community.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3379858/

Adolescent girls often perpetrate aggression by gossiping and spreading rumours about others, by attempting to ruin relationships and by manipulating and excluding others. Further, males and females engage in reactive and proactive relational aggression differently.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4695776/

[GabonX]

I could probably find a Jordan Peterson video too.

[Symmetry]

I don't think that's what's happening here Gabon.

In other Kavanaugh news though, the other guy present is refusing to testify. Not looking great for Brad O'Kavanaugh.

[GabonX]

The accuser is also refusing to show up so I'd say it looks good for him.

[Neoteny]

I could probably find a Jordan Peterson video too.

Christ, no, this is fine.

[saxitoxin]

The accuser is also refusing to show up so I'd say it looks good for him.

Yeah, kinda revealing that she's willing to recount her story in absolutely any forum except under oath where a lie will land her at Federal Work Camp Alderson for the next 18-34 months.

Meanwhile, the search continues for even one of the dozens of people who were supposedly at this party and can place her and Kavanaugh there at the same time or, indeed, verify if there was in fact a party at all.

[Symmetry]

BS- she said she's willing to testify once an undergoing FBI investigation is completed. That's not refusing to testify in the way that Kavanaugh's alleged accomplice refused outright.

If she wants a fair hearing, it's right that she asks for time for the facts to come out.

[DoomYoshi]

I'm surprised something that happened at a high school party would even count in court. Don't they have laws protecting youth crimes from being public knowledge? Or was he some kind of creep that hung out at high school parties when he was 30?

[saxitoxin]

BS- she said she's willing to testify once an undergoing FBI investigation is completed.

BS - there is no "undergoing FBI investigation." The FBI already declined to investigate since they don't investigate allegations of fourth degree assault, shoplifting, parking in a fire zone, etc. If she wants an investigation she needs to go to the Bethesda County Sheriff and tell them she wants to press charges for a fourth degree assault that happened 35 years ago.

It's an easy out for her to avoid a perjury charge. Agree to testify under oath but only if an impossible condition is first met.

"I'll testify if the Earth reverses rotation for 24 hours. See - I'm perfectly willing to testify!"

[Symmetry]

BS- she said she's willing to testify once an undergoing FBI investigation is completed.

BS - there is no "undergoing FBI investigation." The FBI already declined to investigate since they don't investigate allegations of fourth degree assault, shoplifting, parking in a fire zone, etc. If she wants an investigation she needs to go to the Bethesda County Sheriff and tell them she wants to press charges for a fourth degree assault that happened 35 years ago.

It's an easy out for her to avoid a perjury charge. Agree to testify under oath but only if an impossible condition is first met.

"I'll testify if the Earth reverses rotation for 24 hours. See - I'm perfectly willing to testify!"

You've made your opinions on her well known from the start Saxi- pics of dogs, etc. Now accusations that she's a perjurer, or potentially a perjurer. You don't like her. That's clear as day. Point made.

Maybe don't go after the people who want to see the whole thing seriously investigated?

[saxitoxin]

BS- she said she's willing to testify once an undergoing FBI investigation is completed.

BS - there is no "undergoing FBI investigation." The FBI already declined to investigate since they don't investigate allegations of fourth degree assault, shoplifting, parking in a fire zone, etc. If she wants an investigation she needs to go to the Bethesda County Sheriff and tell them she wants to press charges for a fourth degree assault that happened 35 years ago.

It's an easy out for her to avoid a perjury charge. Agree to testify under oath but only if an impossible condition is first met.

"I'll testify if the Earth reverses rotation for 24 hours. See - I'm perfectly willing to testify!"

You've made your opinions on her well known from the start Saxi- pics of dogs, etc. Now accusations that she's a perjurer, or potentially a perjurer. You don't like her. That's clear as day. Point made.

Maybe don't go after the people who want to see the whole thing seriously investigated?

The Senate Judiciary Committee conducts serious investigations. The Montgomery County Sheriff conducts serious investigations. If Ford is serious she'll pursue an investigation through the venues open to her not say "I want the FBI to investigate or I won't participate!" or "I demand dinner with Liam from One Direction before I provide any more information!"

It's utterly bizarre and is a blatant attempt to avoid having to perjure herself by setting conditions no one has the power to meet.

[saxitoxin]

The wheels are starting to come off the bus. ... Feinstein just said she doesn't know if Ford (the accuser who is undergoing long term mental health treatment) is actually being truthful ...

https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/104 ... 69224?s=20

Serious shit must have gone down Friday if even Feinstein is jumping ship. I'm guessing a Feinstein staffer went to visit Ford and found her wearing a diaper and performing a seance with her cat.

[thegreekdog]

Sorry Sym - Saxi is actually right. FBI said they won't investigate and, frankly, the FBI doesn't really have jurisdiction. So timeline of events refresher:

- Kavanaugh hearings
- Dem senator says she has someone who alleges Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in high school.
- Accuser's personal information becomes public.
- Kavanaugh denies assault and denies being at the party.
- Julia Louis-Dreyfus and other interested parties that went to this high school and graduated anywhere from 1870 to 2017 sign a petition saying they believe the accuser (even though none of them knew the accuser, knew Kavanaugh, or graduated within 5 years of either of those individuals) (sorry, this bothers me that the media has chosen to report on it for two days straight).
- Republicans request hearing.
- Dems say not right now. We want to wait until, say, November or December because [insert fake reason].
- Republicans say yeah, right now or else we're going to vote because we don't care about sexual assault allegations.
- FBI says "we're not investigating this."
- Accuser wants an FBI investigation before a hearing.

I've read some people likening this to Anita Hill and Clarence Thomas. The differences are important: (a) Democrat Senate vs. Republican Senate; (b) corroborating witnesses vs. no witnesses.

Related aside - Clarence Thomas's speech on "high-tech lynching" was outstanding and on-point. Note, does not apply to Kavanaugh.