Congratulations people of Crimea

[Symmetry]

I know English isn't qwert's first language, but thug isn't the most difficult of words to find if you know enough English.

And thug is in there at least 2 times qwert. Here are the times it is used. Bolded for clarity.

And in a city where the mayor has allegedly kept a band of thugs on the off-the-books payrolls, at least some of the aggression between rival groups appears more linked to local politics than international intrigue.

The mayor himself was hauled in for questioning in Kiev on Thursday and later placed under house arrest over allegations of maintaining a staff of paid thugs, carrying out state-sponsored torture and embezzling public funds.

Thank you! Silliest argument I've had here for a long time.

[saxitoxin]

I know English isn't qwert's first language, but thug isn't the most difficult of words to find if you know enough English.

And thug is in there at least 2 times qwert. Here are the times it is used. Bolded for clarity.

And in a city where the mayor has allegedly kept a band of thugs on the off-the-books payrolls, at least some of the aggression between rival groups appears more linked to local politics than international intrigue.

The mayor himself was hauled in for questioning in Kiev on Thursday and later placed under house arrest over allegations of maintaining a staff of paid thugs, carrying out state-sponsored torture and embezzling public funds.

I think Qwert's point was that "thug" (in the article) wasn't referring to what Symmetry claimed, but rather a group of apolitical football hooligans. When this point was brought up to Symmetry he yelled "I MEANT TO DO THAT!" and then ran away.

[Symmetry]

My point was that the news organisations qwert claimed to have never used the word "thugs" have all used the word "thugs" to describe the people who stormed a government building and declared it to now be Russian.

The cat picture is kind of cute though.

[saxitoxin]

My point was that the news organisations qwert claimed to have never used the word "thugs" have all used the word "thugs" to describe the people who stormed a government building and declared it to now be Russian.

That wasn't your point when you started. In other words, you seem to be saying ...



I'm not buying it. SORZ

[Qwert]

I know English isn't qwert's first language, but thug isn't the most difficult of words to find if you know enough English.

And thug is in there at least 2 times qwert. Here are the times it is used. Bolded for clarity.

And in a city where the mayor has allegedly kept a band of thugs on the off-the-books payrolls, at least some of the aggression between rival groups appears more linked to local politics than international intrigue.

The mayor himself was hauled in for questioning in Kiev on Thursday and later placed under house arrest over allegations of maintaining a staff of paid thugs, carrying out state-sponsored torture and embezzling public funds.

now i see this, still left to find this sentence:

"It is unsafe to be pro-Ukrainian in Crimea right now, as the region is controlled by Russian military and hired thugs".

[Symmetry]

A mere qwibble.

[Qwert]

Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine.

Or, more accurately, thugs storm a government building and say that the city is Russian.

nope,i dont find this, im only find that they declare independence from thugs who storm government buildings in Kiev .

if only EU backed 21 February agreement, things could be much better.

My point was that the news organisations qwert claimed to have never used the word "thugs" have all used the word "thugs" to describe the people who stormed a government building and declared it to now be Russian.

The cat picture is kind of cute though.

lol, so where you find that i claimed that news organisation never use word thugs
just because in one news with tittle "Donetsk declare independent from Ukraine" you make some silly statement .
And i think that not all newsletters(like Al JAzzera,New york time-Washington post-CNN, and even BBC) in every article use thugs constantly.

[saxitoxin]

Tomorrow is the birthday of Viktor Chernomyrdin. RIP.

[Symmetry]

lol, so where you find that i claimed that news organisation never use word thugs

Oh dear, I seem to have found you saying precisely that:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=202713&start=690#p4462688

believe me or not (its up to you) i read Washington post-The new york times-CNN-Al JAzzera.
I dont read Russian news.
And i dont see in any of this news that someone call hem tugs.

So I gave you examples of all of the news organisations using the word. And then you spent a hell of a lot of time pretending that one of the articles never mentioned it.

Admittedly, none of them called them "tugs".

[saxitoxin]

lol, so where you find that i claimed that news organisation never use word thugs

Oh dear, I seem to have found you saying precisely that:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=202713&start=690#p4462688

believe me or not (its up to you) i read Washington post-The new york times-CNN-Al JAzzera.
I dont read Russian news.
And i dont see in any of this news that someone call hem tugs.

So I gave you examples of all of the news organisations using the word. And then you spent a hell of a lot of time pretending that one of the articles never mentioned it.

Admittedly, none of them called them "tugs".

Qwert bested you. Everyone agrees. The phrase you quoted - when taken in context - didn't mean what you'd proffered and was referring to football fans. And you're going to double down? Better to make an orderly retreat Symm, than turn this into your Isandlwana.

[Symmetry]

At this point, after several pages of trying to get Qwert to acknowledge that a word exists, I'm gonna have to retire from exhaustion to be honest. There's a really nice wall that I saw on my way home. I think I'll bang my head against it as an alternative.

Qwert wins, nobody pointed out that they're thugs.

[saxitoxin]

Qwert wins

+500 SaxBucks

[GoranZ]

OSCE was right to refuse to monitor the referendum because a 10-day period is too short for both sides to argue their case. The referendum on Scottish independence is in 6 months, and the debate is going for over year already: this is how the referendums should be conducted.

And 8 days after your post... the truth come out to the surface. The pressure against the referendum of independence is building up. And there are few more months till the referendum itself, who knows what else will happen.
Western "democracy" is always interesting

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sco ... s-26933998

Qwert wins

+500 SaxBucks

I hope that you are not giving money to Symmetry(he gave up)... on the other hand Qwert earned them

[Symmetry]

I gave up arguing with Qwert about words...

[saxitoxin]

Qwert wins

+500 SaxBucks

I hope that you are not giving money to Symmetry(he gave up)... on the other hand Qwert earned them

+5,000 SaxBucks to Qwert

[Symmetry]

How many SaxBucks do I have now?

[saxitoxin]

How many SaxBucks do I have now?

More than 500, according to Andy (viewtopic.php?f=8&t=203423).

[Dukasaur]

lol, so where you find that i claimed that news organisation never use word thugs

Oh dear, I seem to have found you saying precisely that:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=202713&start=690#p4462688

believe me or not (its up to you) i read Washington post-The new york times-CNN-Al JAzzera.
I dont read Russian news.
And i dont see in any of this news that someone call hem tugs.

So I gave you examples of all of the news organisations using the word. And then you spent a hell of a lot of time pretending that one of the articles never mentioned it.

Admittedly, none of them called them "tugs".

Qwert bested you. Everyone agrees. The phrase you quoted - when taken in context - didn't mean what you'd proffered and was referring to football fans. And you're going to double down? Better to make an orderly retreat Symm, than turn this into your Isandlwana.

I don't agree, and therefore "everyone agrees" is, at the very least, not literally true. It's probably not even close to true. I'm sure there are dozens of people who don't agree and haven't bothered to post.

And this definitely isn't a case of bias. I genuinely like Qwert, and I genuinely despise Symmetry, so if there was any bias here it would be in the opposite direction. But in this particular case I have to honestly say that Qwert is wrong and Sym is right. Sym's rendition of the article was a reasonably accurate paraphrase, and Qwert is playing word games to score a point that doesn't exist.

[saxitoxin]

I don't agree, and therefore "everyone agrees" is, at the very least, not literally true. It's probably not even close to true. I'm sure there are dozens of people who don't agree and haven't bothered to post.

Well I'm sure there are hundreds of people who do agree and haven't posted. You lose. Qwert wins.

[Symmetry]

And this definitely isn't a case of bias. I genuinely like Qwert, and I genuinely despise Symmetry, so if there was any bias here it would be in the opposite direction. But in this particular case I have to honestly say that Qwert is wrong and Sym is right. Sym's rendition of the article was a reasonably accurate paraphrase, and Qwert is playing word games to score a point that doesn't exist.

I'm touched.

[Dukasaur]

""Which is more difficult, to awaken one who sleeps or to awaken one who, awake, dreams that he is awake?"
Kierkegaard, Soren. Works of Love. 1847.

[Symmetry]

""Which is more difficult, to awaken one who sleeps or to awaken one who, awake, dreams that he is awake?"
Kierkegaard, Soren. Works of Love. 1847.

The second one sounds tough. Waking people up is easy. Why do you despise me?

[DoomYoshi]

[saxitoxin]

Why do you despise me?

penis envy

[Pope Joan]

OSCE was right to refuse to monitor the referendum because a 10-day period is too short for both sides to argue their case. The referendum on Scottish independence is in 6 months, and the debate is going for over year already: this is how the referendums should be conducted.

And 8 days after your post... the truth come out to the surface. The pressure against the referendum of independence is building up. And there are few more months till the referendum itself, who knows what else will happen.
Western "democracy" is always interesting

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-sco ... s-26933998

What is your point? This is called a debate. The squash man (Robertson) is entitled to his opinion and to express its freely, even if it is narrow and misinformed. The fishy brothers (Salmon-Sturgeon) are entitle to call him a scaremongering twat in return.