Orwellian USA

[thegreekdog]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Look, I'm no supporter of the president, but let's not pretend that this wouldn't happen under a Republican president. I've no doubt that someone that talks to the president on a regular basis knew this was going on; I also have no doubt that it will absolutely continue with this administration and subsequent administration and probably occurred in previous administrations.

The problem with your viewpoint on this is that you're coming at it from a "Obama is evil" standpoint when you should really be coming at it from a "government is evil" standpoint. I mean, ignoring that the "government is evil" standpoint is the right standpoint, it's just a smarter argument for you to make. You don't seem partisan if you make that argument and then you force Orwell to argue that the IRS auditing specific and alike entities and organizations is okay. Which no one should be able to successfully do.

But carry on. It's entertaining at least.

[ooge]

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website.

Which is a shame because Glenn Beck and The Blaze DID report on this 15 months ago today. Everyone else just decided to cover it because the IRS actually admitted to it.

Glen Beck eats his own poop

[Phatscotty]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Look, I'm no supporter of the president, but let's not pretend that this wouldn't happen under a Republican president. I've no doubt that someone that talks to the president on a regular basis knew this was going on; I also have no doubt that it will absolutely continue with this administration and subsequent administration and probably occurred in previous administrations.

The problem with your viewpoint on this is that you're coming at it from a "Obama is evil" standpoint when you should really be coming at it from a "government is evil" standpoint. I mean, ignoring that the "government is evil" standpoint is the right standpoint, it's just a smarter argument for you to make. You don't seem partisan if you make that argument and then you force Orwell to argue that the IRS auditing specific and alike entities and organizations is okay. Which no one should be able to successfully do.

But carry on. It's entertaining at least.

My blind faith? Can you at least grant 1 point of many, that Obama hates the Tea Party. That is more than nothing when it comes to the IRS targeting the Tea Party. Orwell has nothing

[Woodruff]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

No, he really hasn't. At all.

[Phatscotty]

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website.

Which is a shame because Glenn Beck and The Blaze DID report on this 15 months ago today. Everyone else just decided to cover it because the IRS actually admitted to it.

Glen Beck eats his own poop

I would bet a million dollars you don't even know who Glenn Beck is or what he stands for. You are just making the comments you have been programmed to make.

[Woodruff]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Look, I'm no supporter of the president, but let's not pretend that this wouldn't happen under a Republican president. I've no doubt that someone that talks to the president on a regular basis knew this was going on; I also have no doubt that it will absolutely continue with this administration and subsequent administration and probably occurred in previous administrations.

The problem with your viewpoint on this is that you're coming at it from a "Obama is evil" standpoint when you should really be coming at it from a "government is evil" standpoint. I mean, ignoring that the "government is evil" standpoint is the right standpoint, it's just a smarter argument for you to make. You don't seem partisan if you make that argument and then you force Orwell to argue that the IRS auditing specific and alike entities and organizations is okay. Which no one should be able to successfully do.

But carry on. It's entertaining at least.

My blind faith? Can you at least grant 1 point of many, that Obama hates the Tea Party.

When has President Obama declared his hatred of the Tea Party? I don't recall that declaration. Got a link?

[Phatscotty]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

No, he really hasn't. At all.

Then you are fucking blind, but we all know that. Over and over again, he has said that Obama didn't know, and that Obama has nothing to do with it. But he has no evidence of that, just blind faith.

[Woodruff]

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website.

Which is a shame because Glenn Beck and The Blaze DID report on this 15 months ago today. Everyone else just decided to cover it because the IRS actually admitted to it.

Glen Beck eats his own poop

I would bet a million dollars you don't even know who Glenn Beck is or what he stands for. You are just making the comments you have been programmed to make.

The irony is delicious. Much as Glen Beck finds his own feces.

[thegreekdog]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Look, I'm no supporter of the president, but let's not pretend that this wouldn't happen under a Republican president. I've no doubt that someone that talks to the president on a regular basis knew this was going on; I also have no doubt that it will absolutely continue with this administration and subsequent administration and probably occurred in previous administrations.

The problem with your viewpoint on this is that you're coming at it from a "Obama is evil" standpoint when you should really be coming at it from a "government is evil" standpoint. I mean, ignoring that the "government is evil" standpoint is the right standpoint, it's just a smarter argument for you to make. You don't seem partisan if you make that argument and then you force Orwell to argue that the IRS auditing specific and alike entities and organizations is okay. Which no one should be able to successfully do.

But carry on. It's entertaining at least.

My blind faith? Can you at least grant 1 point of many, that Obama hates the Tea Party. That is more than nothing when it comes to the IRS targeting the Tea Party. Orwell has nothing

Actually, I think President Obama doesn't care about the Tea Party.

[Woodruff]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

No, he really hasn't. At all.

Then you are fucking blind, but we all know that. Over and over again, he has said that Obama didn't know, and that Obama has nothing to do with it. But he has no evidence of that, just blind faith.

Actually, what he has said is that you can't know that Obama was behind it. Which, at this point, you can't. You're creating monsters in your mind that do not exist. As usual. Don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

[Phatscotty]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Look, I'm no supporter of the president, but let's not pretend that this wouldn't happen under a Republican president. I've no doubt that someone that talks to the president on a regular basis knew this was going on; I also have no doubt that it will absolutely continue with this administration and subsequent administration and probably occurred in previous administrations.

The problem with your viewpoint on this is that you're coming at it from a "Obama is evil" standpoint when you should really be coming at it from a "government is evil" standpoint. I mean, ignoring that the "government is evil" standpoint is the right standpoint, it's just a smarter argument for you to make. You don't seem partisan if you make that argument and then you force Orwell to argue that the IRS auditing specific and alike entities and organizations is okay. Which no one should be able to successfully do.

But carry on. It's entertaining at least.

My blind faith? Can you at least grant 1 point of many, that Obama hates the Tea Party.

When has President Obama declared his hatred of the Tea Party? I don't recall that declaration. Got a link?

Then you are fucking deaf. All anyone would need to do to know this is pay attention. I'm not wasting any time with you, because when I bring up the link, you will change the subject. Stop asking because you will never get shit from me.

[Woodruff]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Look, I'm no supporter of the president, but let's not pretend that this wouldn't happen under a Republican president. I've no doubt that someone that talks to the president on a regular basis knew this was going on; I also have no doubt that it will absolutely continue with this administration and subsequent administration and probably occurred in previous administrations.

The problem with your viewpoint on this is that you're coming at it from a "Obama is evil" standpoint when you should really be coming at it from a "government is evil" standpoint. I mean, ignoring that the "government is evil" standpoint is the right standpoint, it's just a smarter argument for you to make. You don't seem partisan if you make that argument and then you force Orwell to argue that the IRS auditing specific and alike entities and organizations is okay. Which no one should be able to successfully do.

But carry on. It's entertaining at least.

My blind faith? Can you at least grant 1 point of many, that Obama hates the Tea Party. That is more than nothing when it comes to the IRS targeting the Tea Party. Orwell has nothing

Actually, I think President Obama doesn't care about the Tea Party.

He may even like it, given that it could potentially cause a schism in the Republican Party.

[Phatscotty]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

No, he really hasn't. At all.

Then you are fucking blind, but we all know that. Over and over again, he has said that Obama didn't know, and that Obama has nothing to do with it. But he has no evidence of that, just blind faith.

Actually, what he has said is that you can't know that Obama was behind it. Which, at this point, you can't. You're creating monsters in your mind that do not exist. As usual. Don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

That's not what he said at all.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.

See how fucking blind you are?

Pretty sure he can speak for himself, and does not need an apologist to redefine his comments for him. Save all your bullshit for defending Obama, he's gonna need it.

[thegreekdog]

Given that Barack Obama is holding the last political job he'll ever have, I don't think he cares much about the Republican Party or the Tea Party (which are the same things). But that's my cynical opinion. I think some dudes in the IRS thought it would be cool to f*ck the Tea Party organizations by auditing them. Probably happens a lot in every administration. I don't care if the president knew about it or not because it's fucked up no matter who does it. Phatscotty wouldn't get outraged if we were talking about a Republican president. Ooge wouldn't get outraged if we were talking about a Democratic president.

[Woodruff]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Look, I'm no supporter of the president, but let's not pretend that this wouldn't happen under a Republican president. I've no doubt that someone that talks to the president on a regular basis knew this was going on; I also have no doubt that it will absolutely continue with this administration and subsequent administration and probably occurred in previous administrations.

The problem with your viewpoint on this is that you're coming at it from a "Obama is evil" standpoint when you should really be coming at it from a "government is evil" standpoint. I mean, ignoring that the "government is evil" standpoint is the right standpoint, it's just a smarter argument for you to make. You don't seem partisan if you make that argument and then you force Orwell to argue that the IRS auditing specific and alike entities and organizations is okay. Which no one should be able to successfully do.

But carry on. It's entertaining at least.

My blind faith? Can you at least grant 1 point of many, that Obama hates the Tea Party.

When has President Obama declared his hatred of the Tea Party? I don't recall that declaration. Got a link?

Then you are fucking deaf. All anyone would need to do to know this is pay attention. I'm not wasting any time with you, because when I bring up the link, you will change the subject.

So...no link then?

As far as "changing the subject", I'm pretty sure I have not "changed the subject" on you very often at all when we've had discussions. I may bring up other relevant topics that I believe highlight your hypocricy in action, but I don't believe it is a matter of changing the subject.

Stop asking because you will never get shit from me.

You say that like it would be an unusual occurrence.

[Woodruff]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

No, he really hasn't. At all.

Then you are fucking blind, but we all know that. Over and over again, he has said that Obama didn't know, and that Obama has nothing to do with it. But he has no evidence of that, just blind faith.

Actually, what he has said is that you can't know that Obama was behind it. Which, at this point, you can't. You're creating monsters in your mind that do not exist. As usual. Don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

That's not what he said at all.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.

See how fucking blind you are?

How is that any different than what you are saying, Phatscotty? You're trying to call ooge out on doing the exact thing that you are. Don't you find that hypocritical?

Pretty sure he can speak for himself, and does not need an apologist to redefine his comments for him. Save all your bullshit for defending Obama, he's gonna need it.

I really don't at all understand why you think I would be defending Obama. See, this is a particularly good example of how I don't believe you understand even the basics of my positions.

Also, don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

[Woodruff]

Also, I find it fascinating that the user "Orwell" arrives in a thread with this title, without having seen him previously (that I can recall). Spooky!

Been meaning to mention that, but keep forgetting.

[ooge]

Seriously guys - this is the Wall Street Journal. Nobunaga didn't pull this from some Glenn Beck website.

Which is a shame because Glenn Beck and The Blaze DID report on this 15 months ago today. Everyone else just decided to cover it because the IRS actually admitted to it.

Glen Beck eats his own poop

I would bet a million dollars you don't even know who Glenn Beck is or what he stands for. You are just making the comments you have been programmed to make.

The mistake the both of us have made phatman is I always thought you knew more than you do, and you think I know less than I do.And Glen Beck still eats his own poop.

[Orwell]

I like this Orwell fellow (the poster, not this IRS organization he runs and/or owns).

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

I don't think he's supporting the IRS. I think it's his attack of your blind faith that the president is behind all this that has made me happy.

Yes, this is an accurate summation of my position.

I want an investigation. And the Cincinnati IRS office should be receiving the scrutiny here.

If we are going to play the "government is evil" game, let's bring big money into the fold - Since conjecture and conspiracy theory are considered perfectly acceptable for some in this discussion, for all we know, there are deep-pockets behind the IRS actions and a sinister plot. Maybe the Koch Brothers and their kind devised a perfect storm and enlisted Tea Party sympathizers in the IRS to implicate the Obama Administration. Sounds rather like the destruction of tea in Boston Harbor. Board the ship. Protest from within. Touch off a firestorm. Who knows, right?!? Proof isn't needed and the only thing that matters is it was under Obama's watch!! Impeach!!!

(And before anyone jumps down my throat for speculating, I am being sarcastic.)

[Phatscotty]

Interesting statement there...

If it's not his constant support of the IRS that you like, it must be his blind faith basead defense of Obama? Because that's all he's been doing.

No, he really hasn't. At all.

Then you are fucking blind, but we all know that. Over and over again, he has said that Obama didn't know, and that Obama has nothing to do with it. But he has no evidence of that, just blind faith.

Actually, what he has said is that you can't know that Obama was behind it. Which, at this point, you can't. You're creating monsters in your mind that do not exist. As usual. Don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

That's not what he said at all.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.

See how fucking blind you are?

How is that any different than what you are saying, Phatscotty? You're trying to call ooge out on doing the exact thing that you are. Don't you find that hypocritical?

Pretty sure he can speak for himself, and does not need an apologist to redefine his comments for him. Save all your bullshit for defending Obama, he's gonna need it.

I really don't at all understand why you think I would be defending Obama. See, this is a particularly good example of how I don't believe you understand even the basics of my positions.

Also, don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

Obamacare, motherfucker!

lol. your position cannot exist, because your premise has shown to be flawed from the start. Orwell said, many times, Obama's hands are clean, based on nothing.

You usually defend Obama. You try to play it off, but it doesn't work nearly as well as you think it does.

[Orwell]

Orwell said, many times, Obama's hands are clean, based on nothing.

Incorrect. I said there is no proof Obama's hands are dirty.

I support an investigation. And I will call you on your wishful thinking, your dishonest partisanship, and your open hostility against the President.

[Woodruff]

No, he really hasn't. At all.

Then you are fucking blind, but we all know that. Over and over again, he has said that Obama didn't know, and that Obama has nothing to do with it. But he has no evidence of that, just blind faith.

Actually, what he has said is that you can't know that Obama was behind it. Which, at this point, you can't. You're creating monsters in your mind that do not exist. As usual. Don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

That's not what he said at all.

Except... Obama didn't suggest it or request it.

See how fucking blind you are?

How is that any different than what you are saying, Phatscotty? You're trying to call ooge out on doing the exact thing that you are. Don't you find that hypocritical?

Pretty sure he can speak for himself, and does not need an apologist to redefine his comments for him. Save all your bullshit for defending Obama, he's gonna need it.

I really don't at all understand why you think I would be defending Obama. See, this is a particularly good example of how I don't believe you understand even the basics of my positions.

Also, don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

lol. your position cannot exist, because your premise has shown to be flawed from the start. Orwell said, many times, Obama's hands are clean, based on nothing.

How is that any different than what you are saying, Phatscotty? You're trying to call ooge out on doing the exact thing that you are. Don't you find that hypocritical?

You usually defend Obama. You try to play it off, but it doesn't work nearly as well as you think it does.

I certainly do NOT "usually defend Obama" and I cannot for the life of me fathom why you would actually believe that I do. It's actually non-sensical and counter to the evidence.

Are you just a caricature, Phatscotty? Because statements like this really make me think that you're just some weird "fake Republican" who is just trying to make Republicans look like idiotic hicks. Fortunately for me, I don't think that's the case because I don't think you're smart enough to be able to pull that off.

Obamacare, motherfucker!

Is there a reason you quoted the above? It seems a little out of place.

Also, don't you have me foed? Or are you shooting for a baker's dozen?

[ooge]

He has you foed? must be all that logic and facts was causing his "tea people" implanted computer chip to malfunction

[Woodruff]

He has you foed?

Off-and-on over the years, according to his claims. Twelve times, if I've counted right. I'm not convinced he has actually ever foed me though, because he still seems to read my posts. Fascinatingly enough, he only bothers to respond when he thinks he's got a "gotcha moment", rather than as a response to serious points being made.

[ooge]

He has you foed?

Off-and-on over the years, according to his claims. Twelve times, if I've counted right. I'm not convinced he has actually ever foed me though, because he still seems to read my posts. Fascinatingly enough, he only bothers to respond when he thinks he's got a "gotcha moment", rather than as a response to serious points being made.

well by foeing you,I guess we can sumerice he is not a strong believer in the first amendment.why am I not surprised.