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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:21 pm

Phatscotty wrote:Alright Greeky, here is the deal. I know it's confusing trying to mend this thread with one from last December or something, but all I want to do here is show that college tilts people to the Left.

I will post Mack Mariani and Gordon Hewitt and their studies and we can look at their work and discuss it, as well as any other studies on the issue anyone else wants to share. This will take a bit, so don't go accusing me of ignoring you if it's not posted in under 24 hours.


Okay.

But let me state, again, that your position in the other thread MUST change if the conclusion you've provided in the OP is the conclusion you're going with. And I would urge you to drop your indoctrination theory in favor of things that are more useful for your time.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:27 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Alright Greeky, here is the deal. I know it's confusing trying to mend this thread with one from last December or something, but all I want to do here is show that college tilts people to the Left.

I will post Mack Mariani and Gordon Hewitt and their studies and we can look at their work and discuss it, as well as any other studies on the issue anyone else wants to share. This will take a bit, so don't go accusing me of ignoring you if it's not posted in under 24 hours.


Okay.

But let me state, again, that your position in the other thread MUST change if the conclusion you've provided in the OP is the conclusion you're going with. And I would urge you to drop your indoctrination theory in favor of things that are more useful for your time.


I'll work with ya. The conclusion here is just a piece of the puzzle.

As for indoctrination, how could I possibly drop something I have personally seen and experienced, as well as seen video after video after video and article after article after article?
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:34 pm

Phatscotty wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Alright Greeky, here is the deal. I know it's confusing trying to mend this thread with one from last December or something, but all I want to do here is show that college tilts people to the Left.

I will post Mack Mariani and Gordon Hewitt and their studies and we can look at their work and discuss it, as well as any other studies on the issue anyone else wants to share. This will take a bit, so don't go accusing me of ignoring you if it's not posted in under 24 hours.


Okay.

But let me state, again, that your position in the other thread MUST change if the conclusion you've provided in the OP is the conclusion you're going with. And I would urge you to drop your indoctrination theory in favor of things that are more useful for your time.


I'll work with ya. The conclusion here is just a piece of the puzzle.

As for indoctrination, how could I possibly drop something I have personally seen and experienced, as well as seen video after video after video and article after article after article?


Confirmation bias and sampling error are your friends.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby Phatscotty on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:49 pm

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Phatscotty wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:Alright Greeky, here is the deal. I know it's confusing trying to mend this thread with one from last December or something, but all I want to do here is show that college tilts people to the Left.

I will post Mack Mariani and Gordon Hewitt and their studies and we can look at their work and discuss it, as well as any other studies on the issue anyone else wants to share. This will take a bit, so don't go accusing me of ignoring you if it's not posted in under 24 hours.


Okay.

But let me state, again, that your position in the other thread MUST change if the conclusion you've provided in the OP is the conclusion you're going with. And I would urge you to drop your indoctrination theory in favor of things that are more useful for your time.


I'll work with ya. The conclusion here is just a piece of the puzzle.

As for indoctrination, how could I possibly drop something I have personally seen and experienced, as well as seen video after video after video and article after article after article?


Confirmation bias and sampling error are your friends.


The point of that is you can't say there isn't indoctrination. You can say it's rare, or you can say it's common. You can say it works a lot, it works a little bit, or not at all.

But we can't truthfully say it does not exist.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby BigBallinStalin on Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:15 am

Stop thinking in absolutes, and you'll open an avenue toward clearer understanding.

The question shouldn't be: "Is there indoctrination?" Because of course there is very likely to be some indoctrination somewhere. It would be committed by some people in some unknown frequency.

Instead, we should ask: how much indoctrination is there in colleges? A little? A lot?
And before answering, it helps to ask: does it matter? (this can clarify your goal).

Then, you define your terms. What does "indoctrination" mean? Then, you determine the means for measuring the question. (How can 'indoctrination' be measured?)

    You can find youtube videos and select news articles, but the most robust way is statistics (thus outsourcing this task to statisticians in peer-reviewed journals is the best choice). This is how you can greatly reduce the problems of confirmation bias, sampling error, and more.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 25, 2013 7:39 am

BigBallinStalin wrote:Stop thinking in absolutes, and you'll open an avenue toward clearer understanding.

The question shouldn't be: "Is there indoctrination?" Because of course there is very likely to be some indoctrination somewhere. It would be committed by some people in some unknown frequency.

Instead, we should ask: how much indoctrination is there in colleges? A little? A lot?
And before answering, it helps to ask: does it matter? (this can clarify your goal).

Then, you define your terms. What does "indoctrination" mean? Then, you determine the means for measuring the question. (How can 'indoctrination' be measured?)

    You can find youtube videos and select news articles, but the most robust way is statistics (thus outsourcing this task to statisticians in peer-reviewed journals is the best choice). This is how you can greatly reduce the problems of confirmation bias, sampling error, and more.


And then you should ask yourself whether it is worthwhile for you (and others) to spend time reversing indoctrination given the results of the previous questions? If indoctrination happens every 1 in 1.5 times, then the answer might be yes. If indoctrination happens 1 in ever 2,500 times, then the answer should be no.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby AAFitz on Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:31 am

Phatscotty wrote: all I want to do here is show that college tilts people to the Left.


I fully agree. I feel the more education one gets, the more history one reads about, and the more science one studies, it is almost a guaranteed certainty that they start to see overly conservative views for what they are.

Hell, in essence learning is liberal, and conservative is the exact opposite. Though, given the efforts of the conservative extremists, I feel the word conservative is wrongly used, as they are hardly trying to keep status quo, but instead are working to revert society back towards its more manageable form....and doing amazingly well at it to boot, unfortunately.

There's a reason Texas works so hard to change history books, and they are definitely not trying to make them more accurate. They are clearly trying to hide and misinform the public as to the actual harm if not crime overly conservative governments have inflicted on the people.

Despite all my bullshit, which mostly is in response to your wild bullshit, in reality my views are more liberal than conservative, mostly stemming from my knowledge of history, and the more I research it, the more the situation becomes more clear. And I know fully well, that no version of history is perfect, but certainly with enough sources and an unbiased view, one can see the facts for about what they are or were, and I personally am astonished at how people misinterpret them every day.

I suppose that is the definition of the phrase, "those who ignore history, are bound to repeat it" and you sir are the exact person they were speaking of, when they wrote it.

No doubt, youd love to indoctrinate everyone with your more than biased videos, and articles, but luckily we do have some of the most educated people in the world, and many of them, see through the bullshit after years of study, and able to pass on some of that education to those who would have been blinded without it.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:57 am

AAFitz wrote:
Phatscotty wrote: all I want to do here is show that college tilts people to the Left.


I fully agree. I feel the more education one gets, the more history one reads about, and the more science one studies, it is almost a guaranteed certainty that they start to see overly conservative views for what they are.

Hell, in essence learning is liberal, and conservative is the exact opposite. Though, given the efforts of the conservative extremists, I feel the word conservative is wrongly used, as they are hardly trying to keep status quo, but instead are working to revert society back towards its more manageable form....and doing amazingly well at it to boot, unfortunately.

There's a reason Texas works so hard to change history books, and they are definitely not trying to make them more accurate. They are clearly trying to hide and misinform the public as to the actual harm if not crime overly conservative governments have inflicted on the people.

Despite all my bullshit, which mostly is in response to your wild bullshit, in reality my views are more liberal than conservative, mostly stemming from my knowledge of history, and the more I research it, the more the situation becomes more clear. And I know fully well, that no version of history is perfect, but certainly with enough sources and an unbiased view, one can see the facts for about what they are or were, and I personally am astonished at how people misinterpret them every day.

I suppose that is the definition of the phrase, "those who ignore history, are bound to repeat it" and you sir are the exact person they were speaking of, when they wrote it.

No doubt, youd love to indoctrinate everyone with your more than biased videos, and articles, but luckily we do have some of the most educated people in the world, and many of them, see through the bullshit after years of study, and able to pass on some of that education to those who would have been blinded without it.


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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:33 am

I have not read the whole thread, but the answer is really obvious and irrelevant to politics. By definition, liberal means challening the status-quo, boundaries. Conservatives accept the status-quo. Professors are inherently geared to get people to think, which necessarily means asking people to challenge their thinking.


EDIT-- oops, tried logging on with my dinky netbook clone, at work (on break)... obviously did not work well. :(

I have edited it.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:40 am

PLAYER57832 wrote:I have not read the whole thread, ut the answeris really obvious and irrelevant to polotocs. Byy definition, liberal means challengng the status qui, boundaries. Coservqatives acccept the stutusquo. Professos are inherently gearedto get people to think, which necessarily means asking people to challenge their thinking.


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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby john9blue on Wed Sep 25, 2013 12:59 pm

i think they know exactly what conservative means, or at least what it USED to mean.

they would have a point IF universities were churning out classical liberals. instead, they are churning out democrats. their definition is moot in this case. most professors could not give two shits about changing the status quo.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby thegreekdog on Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:05 pm

john9blue wrote:i think they know exactly what conservative means, or at least what it USED to mean.

they would have a point IF universities were churning out classical liberals. instead, they are churning out democrats. their definition is moot in this case. most professors could not give two shits about changing the status quo.


When the past is liberal (politically defined), it becomes weird when conservatives are seen as mired in the past.

For example, we've had high government spending, especially on social programs, since the 1930s.
For example, we've been increasingly statist since 1860.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:49 pm

john9blue wrote:i think they know exactly what conservative means, or at least what it USED to mean.

they would have a point IF universities were churning out classical liberals. instead, they are churning out democrats. their definition is moot in this case. most professors could not give two shits about changing the status quo.

Today, in politics, a lot of Republicans (not all.. would not, for example, put McCain in this category) are not really conservative, they are radically anti-government restrictions of any kind and anti taxes.

Its actually rather ironic when people put being anti- legal abortion together with wielding guns, wanting lower taxes and also tighter border restrictions, anti-birth control access and oh yeah.. anti Islam and anti homosexuality all under this same "Tea Party", " no big government" umbrella.

Seems like "big government" is OK if its used to restrict people's freedoms and choices, but not when its used to protect them. Used to be the other way around. Liberals were always accused of being "pro government" because only government can set boundaries for other people, short of individual fist-fights and such.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:54 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:I have not read the whole thread, ut the answeris really obvious and irrelevant to polotocs. Byy definition, liberal means challengng the status qui, boundaries. Coservqatives acccept the stutusquo. Professos are inherently gearedto get people to think, which necessarily means asking people to challenge their thinking.


thegreekdog wrote:
Indigo Montoya wrote:I don't think conservative means what you think it means.

My point actually holds, regardless.

Kids tend to reflect (no matter how they deny it..) their parent's views. Because our society has been progressively moving to the right more and more, kids today/young people today are more likely to be termed "conservative" than "liberal". A GOOD professor will always try to get kids to think beyond what they have previously been taught in various ways. Sometimes it is professors that truly are liberal presenting their own views and sometimes its professors just plain getting kids to think...and being labeled liberal.

Other than that, if you read a lot of the more virulent "conservative" (aka right wing) rhetoric, there is a marked disdain for any but specific types of "useful" education... math, some (and only some) science, business. Folks don't tend to want to teach subjects they disdain.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby thegreekdog on Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:26 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:I have not read the whole thread, ut the answeris really obvious and irrelevant to polotocs. Byy definition, liberal means challengng the status qui, boundaries. Coservqatives acccept the stutusquo. Professos are inherently gearedto get people to think, which necessarily means asking people to challenge their thinking.


thegreekdog wrote:
Indigo Montoya wrote:I don't think conservative means what you think it means.

My point actually holds, regardless.

Kids tend to reflect (no matter how they deny it..) their parent's views. Because our society has been progressively moving to the right more and more, kids today/young people today are more likely to be termed "conservative" than "liberal". A GOOD professor will always try to get kids to think beyond what they have previously been taught in various ways. Sometimes it is professors that truly are liberal presenting their own views and sometimes its professors just plain getting kids to think...and being labeled liberal.

Other than that, if you read a lot of the more virulent "conservative" (aka right wing) rhetoric, there is a marked disdain for any but specific types of "useful" education... math, some (and only some) science, business. Folks don't tend to want to teach subjects they disdain.


In this context, liberal means "statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "not statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Liberal does not mean, in this context, "open to new ideas."

In this context, conservative means "not statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Conservative does not mean, in this context, "closed to new ideas."

That's why you and AAFitz aren't making good arguments (or at least you aren't making relevant arguments). Sure, good professors will challenge your way of thinking, but that doesn't mean they are politically inclined to the left.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby Phatscotty on Sun Sep 29, 2013 9:59 pm

Phatscotty wrote:

I will post Mack Mariani and Gordon Hewitt and their studies and we can look at their work and discuss it, as well as any other studies on the issue anyone else wants to share.



Figure 3: Effect of Political I
deology on Salary Ranking, All
Students
B (Slope)
Standard Error
Beta
Sig
Political Ideology
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.054
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Sex (Female)
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Class Year
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Constant
6.400
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Dependent Varia
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J/K this one is only 13 pages and has all the question that were asked on the last 3 or 4 pages so don't skip when it looks like the end.

http://www.xavier.edu/xjop/documents/Hudson.pdf
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Oct 01, 2013 7:07 pm

thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:I have not read the whole thread, ut the answeris really obvious and irrelevant to polotocs. Byy definition, liberal means challengng the status qui, boundaries. Coservqatives acccept the stutusquo. Professos are inherently gearedto get people to think, which necessarily means asking people to challenge their thinking.


thegreekdog wrote:
Indigo Montoya wrote:I don't think conservative means what you think it means.

My point actually holds, regardless.

Kids tend to reflect (no matter how they deny it..) their parent's views. Because our society has been progressively moving to the right more and more, kids today/young people today are more likely to be termed "conservative" than "liberal". A GOOD professor will always try to get kids to think beyond what they have previously been taught in various ways. Sometimes it is professors that truly are liberal presenting their own views and sometimes its professors just plain getting kids to think...and being labeled liberal.

Other than that, if you read a lot of the more virulent "conservative" (aka right wing) rhetoric, there is a marked disdain for any but specific types of "useful" education... math, some (and only some) science, business. Folks don't tend to want to teach subjects they disdain.


In this context, liberal means "statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "not statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Liberal does not mean, in this context, "open to new ideas."

In this context, conservative means "not statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Conservative does not mean, in this context, "closed to new ideas."

That's why you and AAFitz aren't making good arguments (or at least you aren't making relevant arguments). Sure, good professors will challenge your way of thinking, but that doesn't mean they are politically inclined to the left.

No, our remarks are relevant, but you disagree.
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby thegreekdog on Tue Oct 01, 2013 8:55 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:I have not read the whole thread, ut the answeris really obvious and irrelevant to polotocs. Byy definition, liberal means challengng the status qui, boundaries. Coservqatives acccept the stutusquo. Professos are inherently gearedto get people to think, which necessarily means asking people to challenge their thinking.


thegreekdog wrote:
Indigo Montoya wrote:I don't think conservative means what you think it means.

My point actually holds, regardless.

Kids tend to reflect (no matter how they deny it..) their parent's views. Because our society has been progressively moving to the right more and more, kids today/young people today are more likely to be termed "conservative" than "liberal". A GOOD professor will always try to get kids to think beyond what they have previously been taught in various ways. Sometimes it is professors that truly are liberal presenting their own views and sometimes its professors just plain getting kids to think...and being labeled liberal.

Other than that, if you read a lot of the more virulent "conservative" (aka right wing) rhetoric, there is a marked disdain for any but specific types of "useful" education... math, some (and only some) science, business. Folks don't tend to want to teach subjects they disdain.


In this context, liberal means "statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "not statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Liberal does not mean, in this context, "open to new ideas."

In this context, conservative means "not statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Conservative does not mean, in this context, "closed to new ideas."

That's why you and AAFitz aren't making good arguments (or at least you aren't making relevant arguments). Sure, good professors will challenge your way of thinking, but that doesn't mean they are politically inclined to the left.

No, our remarks are relevant, but you disagree.


Let's find out if your remarks are relevant. I know! We can do one of two things (or both).

First, let's look at the PDF. Oh look! They are talking about liberal in the political context! To be fair, I already read the PDF.

Second, let's ask Phatscotty. Phatscotty - are you talking about liberal in the political context or liberal in the context of "new ideas?"
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:30 am

lulz

I'm not sure exactly what post of mine you are talking about, or the thread title? but I have not used Liberal in the sense of "new ideas", and this thread still is not about indoctrination.


Separately, let's see if your opinion holds up when we change the ideology.

Let's say there is a school where there are 33 Roman Catholic professors to each Atheist professor. Are we still going to say that just because the school is absolutely dominated by Roman Catholics doesn't mean that anyone is likely to be influenced by Roman Catholicism? Or that they will be influenced by Atheism just as much? Or that a certain ideology dominating an environment has no impact on the people who are there all day every day, year after year after year after year?
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby crispybits on Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:27 am

Anecdotal: I went to a catholic school exclusively taught by priests from 11-17. When I arrived there I was completely agnostic, now I'm agnostic atheist with wild guesses about pantheism if the supernatural does turn out to be real one day. Go figure...
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:35 am

crispybits wrote:Anecdotal: I went to a catholic school exclusively taught by priests from 11-17. When I arrived there I was completely agnostic, now I'm agnostic atheist with wild guesses about pantheism if the supernatural does turn out to be real one day. Go figure...


So your Catholic school did not convert you to Catholicism?

That figures then that Catholic schools do not have a religious impact on anyone.



P.S. You thought you had your religion completely figured out at 11 years old? Was that before you hit puberty, or after?
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby Phatscotty on Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:29 am

After 4 years, this video is still being shown in public elementary, junior high, and high schools. It was just shown yesterday in Hudson Wisconsin. I think it shows exactly how much the Liberal dominated education system is out of touch, and just how Liberal the bubble they all live in is, to think they can show this video in front of the students parents!



Check out the statement from the school

“The reason the video was used was to show students small ways to make a difference in their communities,” the district wrote in its apology. “Unfortunately, the video also had a political slant. The district is non-partisan and does not endorse the political messages found in this video. This video will not be used in the district again.”
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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby AAFitz on Wed Oct 02, 2013 6:56 am

Phatscotty wrote:
crispybits wrote:Anecdotal: I went to a catholic school exclusively taught by priests from 11-17. When I arrived there I was completely agnostic, now I'm agnostic atheist with wild guesses about pantheism if the supernatural does turn out to be real one day. Go figure...


So your Catholic school did not convert you to Catholicism?

That figures then that Catholic schools do not have a religious impact on anyone.



P.S. You thought you had your religion completely figured out at 11 years old? Was that before you hit puberty, or after?


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Re: Why Are Professors Liberal

Postby AAFitz on Wed Oct 02, 2013 7:01 am

thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
PLAYER57832 wrote:I have not read the whole thread, ut the answeris really obvious and irrelevant to polotocs. Byy definition, liberal means challengng the status qui, boundaries. Coservqatives acccept the stutusquo. Professos are inherently gearedto get people to think, which necessarily means asking people to challenge their thinking.


thegreekdog wrote:
Indigo Montoya wrote:I don't think conservative means what you think it means.

My point actually holds, regardless.

Kids tend to reflect (no matter how they deny it..) their parent's views. Because our society has been progressively moving to the right more and more, kids today/young people today are more likely to be termed "conservative" than "liberal". A GOOD professor will always try to get kids to think beyond what they have previously been taught in various ways. Sometimes it is professors that truly are liberal presenting their own views and sometimes its professors just plain getting kids to think...and being labeled liberal.

Other than that, if you read a lot of the more virulent "conservative" (aka right wing) rhetoric, there is a marked disdain for any but specific types of "useful" education... math, some (and only some) science, business. Folks don't tend to want to teach subjects they disdain.


In this context, liberal means "statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "not statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Liberal does not mean, in this context, "open to new ideas."

In this context, conservative means "not statist" with respect to fiscal policy and "statist" with respect to social policy (mostly). Conservative does not mean, in this context, "closed to new ideas."

That's why you and AAFitz aren't making good arguments (or at least you aren't making relevant arguments). Sure, good professors will challenge your way of thinking, but that doesn't mean they are politically inclined to the left.


Trying to ignore that the conservative right, very much is intent on stagnating if not reverting social policy, and using the fiscal policy to do so, makes your argument..laughable.
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