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[jefjef]

. BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!'

You don't make any sense.

BigBallinStalin frequently posts comments to derail the intent and topic of the thread. He multiposts almost hourly with what seems as a tactic to take the topic off original intention because he disagrees with the originators premise of the topic and can't argue a sufficient counter view, so he resorts to primitive debating tactics.

[BigBallinStalin]

. BOOGA BOOGA BOOGA!!!'

You don't make any sense.

BigBallinStalin frequently posts comments to derail the intent and topic of the thread. He multiposts almost hourly with what seems as a tactic to take the topic off original intention because he disagrees with the originators premise of the topic and can't argue a sufficient counter view, so he resorts to primitive debating tactics.

Everything I say is on-topic.

[_sabotage_]

Here is a video of a Gate's boy telling the world we need to use geoengineering to control the greenhouse effect.



Here is a video of Rockefeller boys suggesting we need geoengineering:




What is geoengineering in relation to global warming?

The aluminum found in chemtrails over Ontario matches the 10 micron aluminum oxide called for in a 1994 patent issued to Hughes Aircraft Company. 'Welsbach Seeding for Reduction of Global Warming' refers to spreading highly reflective materials in the atmosphere to reflect enough incoming sunlight (1 to 2%) to slow rapidly-accelerating global warming.

Basically they feel that the will reflect radiation back from our atmosphere by spraying aluminum oxide across the skies. But they wouldn't do this right?

According to chemtrails found across US allied countries, it would seem they are.

But aluminum oxide is poisonous to people and plants. They would need to find a way to grow food in a heavily contaminated aluminum environment. Enter patent owned by USDA http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7582809.html.

So we are "accidentally" letting them spray us with poison so that they can prevent global warming.

Is global warming even real? According to Edmund de Rothschild at the 4th World Wilderness Congress in 1987, it is. One of the speakers at the conference was Maurice Strong blamed for introducing the carbon credit scheme to Australia.

We also have another Rothschild, David de Rothschild as a key speaker at Copenhagen saying that the problem requires global governance.

So, I don't know. Call me crazy, but when the Rothschilds, Rockefellers and Gates join forces with a plan they feel is urgent to save us which involves spraying poison across the skies, and all they want to do is control the environment with the GEF which steals up to 30% of a countries land for environmental purposes according to them, which calls for carbon credits exchanged through their banks, which gives them utter control over our food and increases cancer and other health issues which are dealt with by their pharmaceutical companies, it makes me wonder.

Especially since, although we know these patents exist, their intention and how they are used, and find that the sky confirms it, the land confirms it and their spokespeople confirm it, but the government denies it, sounds a bit too much like what happened with Agent Orange.

[BigBallinStalin]

Here is a video:

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You exhibit an odd defense mechanism.

[_sabotage_]

I understand that truth is odd to you.

Of course you are right. We have checks and balances in place to prevent abuse of authority.

If the US were attacked, we would conduct a thorough investigation immediately and well funded following the available evidence and getting to the bottom of it with a focus on who gains and which the members of the committee will stand by.

We will never allow those with the most access and the most to gain to manufacture evidence, destroy it or hide from the public light.

I'm so comforted to know that our governing bodies have not been overrun, are not functioning as one, and are operating under the limiting powers of the constitution and the bill of rights.

I mean, under my presumption, if they were ever found out they would need to purge defectors from the military, militarize the police, allow foreign troops on US soil, prepare prison camps, ammunition, unmanned weapons, control the food supply, and try to physically weaken us, eliminate our rights, identify us and ready coffins.

So, I won't worry until I see those things happening.

[BigBallinStalin]

sabotage, you're exceptional at burying yourself in layers of rubbish. Whenever someone scrapes away one layer, you become exposed to the light, so you must dig deeper and deeper... way... way down.

Some elements of what you say is true, but a lot of it is nonsense. The problem is that you don't seem to be able to distinguish between the two.

[_sabotage_]

After the credit collapse and coming disaster, our lives will be very different.

Mushrooms can decontaminate the land and allow natural seeds to grow. Hemp can provide you with a food source, good shelter, fuel and clothes. It can be grown without chemical additives if kept in rotation with legumes and a legume ground cover. It can also help detoxify the land, but is best following a plant which compresses the land with a root mat or on land which is naturally compressed.

Mushrooms can also filter contaminated water, oyster and king stropharia. Mushrooms produce the enzymes needed to break the hemp down in a ecologically friendly manner and produce a superior product and yield. You can create living filters downstream of contaminated water.

Rocket stoves can be made out of 22 firebricks and produce a high efficient heater, cooker, and boiler. It conserves overall fuel and allows use of low quality fuel which can be obtained without harming the trees.

Look into the most suitable electrical supply for your environment.

Best of luck.

[AndyDufresne]

After the credit collapse and coming disaster, our lives will be very different.

BBS, when the world goes to hell as Sabotage indicates, lets start a gang so we can take over.


--Andy

[mrswdk]

The strengthening of America's state apparatus is merely to help it control the unrest that will take hold as the OWG pushes America into China's shadow. The American population will become belligerent and the government will need to contain them. At times it probably won't be pretty.

However, the overall order of things will continue as before. The march towards full global integration continues.

[_sabotage_]

You may not want to bring a gun to a militarized fight:



















Good luck on the new gang, hope it's not a violent one.

[BigBallinStalin]

After the credit collapse and coming disaster, our lives will be very different.

BBS, when the world goes to hell as Sabotage indicates, lets start a gang so we can take over.


--Andy

Done. I figure the profit-maximizing plan would be organizing a state, and while we're at it, let's recreate that Social Contract myth. Phatscotty can be our PR man, touting about freedom and what not.

[_sabotage_]

The social contract myth...is that similar to the ally myth?

When the CIA gets funding for a war on drugs to supply the military industry with taxpayer money to implement weapons which are then used to collect the cocaine of Columbia while putting them in debt for the service. Sell the cocaine to the US population and use the funds to provide Iraq with chemical weapons to use on the Iranians who we are busy supplying with aircraft to attack him so that we can extract his resources and destabalize the region for our friends Israel. And then attack him a few years later for cutting down his oil supply, sanction him and cause the population to starve to death until we decide that him giving us everything is not enough because we want to profit off a protracted war. So we invent WMDs and try to link him to a terrorist attack that the military had trained for, was warned about and yet failed to stop, and accidentally had 2.3 trillion dollars of records on missing money disappear from both secure locations, and then hang him publicly and turn his country into a lawless free for all for "allied" countries to exploit?

Recreating that myth is going to be hard. Of course something like 30% of voters still believe that none of that happened, so if you corner your market...

[mrswdk]

The US is harvesting opium in Afghanistan and selling it to Americans to keep them docile.

[mrswdk]

[warmonger1981]

BBS looks at everything in black and white. If it is on paper then it must be true. I suggest reading Marx,Hegel, Kant, Machiavelli, Miyamoto Musashi, Sun Tzu,Chogyam Trungpa, Pike, Engels, Bernays, Brzenski, or Thomas Barnett. philosophy plays a huge roll in making money now days.

Marx in Das Kapital posed capitalism as thesis and communism as antithesis. Whats being completely ignored by historians and Marxists is that any conflict between these forces cannot lead to either capitalism or communism. It must lead to a society characterized by the synthesis of the two conflicting forces. The Hegelian system bring a society neither capitalist or communist The new synthesis will reflect the concept of the State as God and the public totally subordinate to the State.

The function of Congress in the Hegelian dialectic? These institutions are merely to allow the individual to feel that their opinions have some value and to allow a government to take advantage of whatever wisdom the peasent demonstrates.

[BigBallinStalin]

BBS looks at everything in black and white. If it is on paper then it must be true. I suggest reading Marx,Hegel, Kant, Machiavelli, Miyamoto Musashi, Sun Tzu,Chogyam Trungpa, Pike, Engels, Bernays, Brzenski, or Thomas Barnett. philosophy plays a huge roll in making money now days.

Marx in Das Kapital posed capitalism as thesis and communism as antithesis. Whats being completely ignored by historians and Marxists is that any conflict between these forces cannot lead to either capitalism or communism. It must lead to a society characterized by the synthesis of the two conflicting forces. The Hegelian system bring a society neither capitalist or communist The new synthesis will reflect the concept of the State as God and the public totally subordinate to the State.

The function of Congress in the Hegelian dialectic? These institutions are merely to allow the individual to feel that their opinions have some value and to allow a government to take advantage of whatever wisdom the peasent demonstrates.

I'll ignore the strawman and just mention that you're actually describing your approach (e.g. look at your black-and-white Hegelian speak). I'm familiar with the underlined. I know of Zbigniew Brzezinski.

Although Marx framed his social science within the Hegelian dialectic, it doesn't follow that his description of the world and that methodology was correct, but at least he was somewhat knowledgeable about economics, so I'll give him that. The significant decline in Marxist economics should be a clear indicator about how useless his methodology is; his shit was hot especially during the 1960s, but the natural experiments played out and demonstrated the many problems with Marxism/Socialism. Such outcomes of central planning were predicted in the 1930s during the Socialist Calculation debate with Hayek and Mises debating the socialist economists of the times. I wouldn't recommend Hegel to anybody who wants to understand institutions; his writings are obscure, and his methodology isn't useful--especially the parts about the "idea-consciousness" transcending human action and directly impacting people in a one-way influence. The excerpts of Hegel that I read reminded me of borderline animism.

Anyway, this is a nice dodge. You can go back a few pages and pick up the pieces of your argument (especially about influence/control):
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=198631&start=60#p4343393

or you can hammer out that Hegelian dialectic as much as you like.

[AndyDufresne]

After the credit collapse and coming disaster, our lives will be very different.

BBS, when the world goes to hell as Sabotage indicates, lets start a gang so we can take over.


--Andy

Done. I figure the profit-maximizing plan would be organizing a state, and while we're at it, let's recreate that Social Contract myth. Phatscotty can be our PR man, touting about freedom and what not.

PS as PR man is pretty genius. We need a few other minions. Who else can we get to distract the populace from their woes? AOG? We also need to recruit Universalchiro. And by recruit, I mean more kidnap with a bag over his head. He can be the 'end is nigh!?' distraction.


--Andy

[BigBallinStalin]

Unfortunately, AoG's ability to lead is constrained by his height, so we'd have to settle for Serbia, whose sidekick would be AoG.

During a good crisis, people love their easy answers from the preachers, but we don't want the preachers whipping the people into a frenzy. That's not good for law and order. We'd need a more civilized role for religion--something like the Catholic Church. "Be a good boy, pay your taxes, yada yada eternal reward in the afterlife."

The wealthier our region gets, the more we can ignore the extremists; however, in the initial state-building stages, we may have to crackdown on them. This seems to be the general, inevitable pattern. Army of nobunaga, THORNHEART, and pimpdave are likely candidates for this mission.

[AndyDufresne]

Unfortunately, AoG's ability to lead is constrained by his height, so we'd have to settle for Serbia, whose sidekick would be AoG.

During a good crisis, people love their easy answers from the preachers, but we don't want the preachers whipping the people into a frenzy. That's not good for law and order. We'd need a more civilized role for religion--something like the Catholic Church. "Be a good boy, pay your taxes, yada yada eternal reward in the afterlife."

The wealthier our region gets, the more we can ignore the extremists; however, in the initial state-building stages, we may have to crackdown on them. This seems to be the general, inevitable pattern. Army of nobunaga, THORNHEART, and pimpdave are likely candidates for this mission.

Very valid points.

I'd like to see Jonesy make his way in as well. He's sort of like a greek mystic or oracle.


--Andy

[_sabotage_]

Why go through all the trouble and danger? Just tell all the councils for all the gangs that you all will provide them with free money, then they'll all work for you.

[BigBallinStalin]

Why go through all the trouble and danger? Just tell all the councils for all the gangs that you all will provide them with free money, then they'll all work for you.

So... it's not free. In other words, "I'll give you money if you work for me. Therefore, it's free money!"

Also, do voters have zero influence on politicians? Much of your analysis depends on the assumption that they have no influence on politicians.

[_sabotage_]

Of course it's not free, just tell them all that. Leave a few gangs out so that you can use them as fodder for the rest. If anyone of the gangs turns on you, feed him to the wolves.

If this guy



and this guy



both take order orders from the guys who control this:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/200 ... /feddc.jpg

Then our freedom is limited to very few issues which are of passing consequence.

“The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. ”

[Phatscotty]

Zbigniew pimped his severely underage daughter to political and industrial leaders. She writes about it in her book.

[BigBallinStalin]

Of course it's not free, just tell them all that. Leave a few gangs out so that you can use them as fodder for the rest. If anyone of the gangs turns on you, feed him to the wolves.

If this guy
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and this guy
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both take order orders from the guys who control this:

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/200 ... /feddc.jpg

Then our freedom is limited to very few issues which are of passing consequence.

“The central bank is an institution of the most deadly hostility existing against the Principles and form of our Constitution. I am an Enemy to all banks discounting bills or notes for anything but Coin. If the American People allow private banks to control the issuance of their currency, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the People of all their Property until their Children will wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered. ”

Ah, so the competition is so stupid that they don't realize that they'll be working in exchange for money. Unfortunately, not enough people are that stupid to believe in your scenario.

So now the Federal Reserve controls the US?

Who controls the Federal Reserve in your story?

[_sabotage_]

Who controls the Federal Reserve in your story? It is a private bank after all.

Who got the $16 trillion between 2007-2010 according to the only, and just partial, audit ever carried out there.

Who had the motive, means and opportunity to do it after the turn of the last century?

The gang councils do realize it, but they see it provides them with funds of the backs of their members, and they face the threat of all gangs if they choose to break from the system.
Kind of how the Church ran things...