Malaysia Airlines Flight 17

[oVo]

Putin's military staff isn't silent as they have more than suggested that Ukraine downed the plane and their news media is following that lead. Russian military vehicles were caught on video heading out of Ukraine.

It's also now known that more than a dozen aircraft have been shot down in eastern Ukraine over the past two weeks. Which once again raises the question, why did this commercial flight fly over the conflicted region? Did someone actually believe it was safe at that altitude and approve the flight plan?

[mrswdk]

A few other airliners were still flying over eastern Ukraine prior to MH17 too. For some reason it had been deemed okay by the local air controllers as long as planes were flying over 30,000ft.

[PLAYER57832]

Did someone actually believe it was safe at that altitude and approve the flight plan?

Yes, more than a few people.

[oVo]

So this is a tragic --though avoidable-- accident. Regardless of what any investigation reveals, it is unfortunate that a civilian aircraft was targeted and shot down over a combat zone. It was obviously an error in judgement to expect safe passage over east Ukraine, even at a high altitude.

The only fact that could alter this would be a communication by the Pro-Russian separatists that they had identified the Malaysian Flight 17 as non military and fired on it anyway.

[GoranZ]

Putin's military staff isn't silent as they have more than suggested that Ukraine downed the plane and their news media is following that lead.

US Government(+ Media): 100 AIDS scientist... Turn out to be single digit number. Iraq has WMD. I can continue but most what your government says turn out to be false...

Russian military vehicles were caught on video heading out of Ukraine.

I guess you have no evidence of this... Vehicles you are mentioning turn out to be Ukrainian Check your info before posting.
Whats interesting Joan already posted before you about that event.

3) At the end it is (falsely) claimed that the BUK-M1 from the internet video with a missing missle is actually in Krasnoarmeysk,
controlled by Kiev. This is false:
http://www.stopfake.org/fejk-ukrainskaya-armiya-transportirovala-zrk-buk-bez-odnoj-rakety-po-podkontrolnoj-territorii

It's also now known that more than a dozen aircraft have been shot down in eastern Ukraine over the past two weeks.

You are not very smart. Those were military aircraft flying 10 times lower then Malaysian plane. And there is no evidence that proRussian rebels have weapons that can reach more then 4000m(which is over 2 times lower then the height at which MH 17 was flying).

Which once again raises the question, why did this commercial flight fly over the conflicted region? Did someone actually believe it was safe at that altitude and approve the flight plan?

Ask your government.

So this is a tragic --though avoidable-- accident. Regardless of what any investigation reveals, it is unfortunate that a civilian aircraft was targeted and shot down over a combat zone. It was obviously an error in judgement to expect safe passage over east Ukraine, even at a high altitude.

During the same period 3 times more Palestinians were killed in Gaza. Well played plan by CIA. I guess you guys want to see only blood.

The only fact that could alter this would be a communication by the Pro-Russian separatists that they had identified the Malaysian Flight 17 as non military and fired on it anyway.

Some sort of evidence?

[aad0906]

The only fact that could alter this would be a communication by the Pro-Russian separatists that they had identified the Malaysian Flight 17 as non military and fired on it anyway.

Some sort of evidence?

GoranZ, oVo is not saying that Pro-Russian separatists had identified the Malaysian Flight 17 as non-military and fired on it anyway. He is saying it is probably an accident UNLESS evidence turns up that separatists have done it deliberately. There is no evidence that this was done deliberately, I am pretty sure this was all an accident and whoever pushed the button didn't realize what they were targeting. Even Vitaly Churkin seemed to be hinting at this.

Tomorrow national day of mourning in The Netherlands. Let's focus on grief and recovery for a day, then await the result of the investigation and then start pointing fingers.

[KoolBak]

Goran.....you attend some hater school as a child? Wow.....

And since the beginning, I never saw ANY listing of "100 Aids Scientists" anywhere but HERE as a comparison, only listings of the sadly confirmed dead.....and I didn't even "ask my guv'ment"!

Shall I say "you're not very smart"? wow, again....

Tragic event.....can't imagine what those damn people must have gone thru....

[AndyDufresne]

Goranz is just sad because no one is buying the hundreds of dead bodies put on the flight from other never found Malaysian aircraft.


--Andy

[GoranZ]

The only fact that could alter this would be a communication by the Pro-Russian separatists that they had identified the Malaysian Flight 17 as non military and fired on it anyway.

Some sort of evidence?

GoranZ, oVo is not saying that Pro-Russian separatists had identified the Malaysian Flight 17 as non-military and fired on it anyway. He is saying it is probably an accident UNLESS evidence turns up that separatists have done it deliberately. There is no evidence that this was done deliberately, I am pretty sure this was all an accident and whoever pushed the button didn't realize what they were targeting. Even Vitaly Churkin seemed to be hinting at this.

Well he was quite precise at pointing out towards proRussian rebels without any evidence... If so, he should have posted some evidence to back up his words.

1. MH17 was flying way off from his course(it should have been over Azov Sea instead in the middle of war zone), and only Ukrainian aircraft controllers could have diverted it.
2. For now everyone is excluding the possibility of mechanical problems with the airplane, and is accusing opposite side of the conflict which is quite odd since accidents do happen.
3. There are no reports that proRussian rebels used radar for locating of flying objects, but there are reports that Ukranian radar was active prior of the fall of MH17 Edit: BUK missiles can be fired without radar info, if the weapon is used in standalone mode but the accuracy is decreased.
4. There are no evidence that proRussian rebels have anti aircraft weapons that can target airplanes @ 10.000 m. Even the video with separatist rockets turn out to be with Ukrainian rockets from that area.
5. The one that is profiting from this situation is most probably the one that is responsible for this tragic event.
6. If rocket was fired at MH17 is was attentional or done by a man who has no clue how that weapon system works.

Tomorrow national day of mourning in The Netherlands. Let's focus on grief and recovery for a day, then await the result of the investigation and then start pointing fingers.

Investigation could last for months... and when the results will come out it will be old news. Too bad for those 300 that died.

Goran.....you attend some hater school as a child? Wow.....

Nope what about you?

And since the beginning, I never saw ANY listing of "100 Aids Scientists" anywhere but HERE as a comparison, only listings of the sadly confirmed dead.....and I didn't even "ask my guv'ment"!

Who said listing of "100 Aids Scientists"? Look again and if you can not find exactly the same, next thing I quoted applies to you(your government already knows).
To make it clear for you... I said "100 Aids Scientists" and not "list with 100 Aids Scientists" since there is no such list, maybe US government had it at some point(since the info came from them), but I dont have access to their inventory

Shall I say "you're not very smart"? wow, again....

If you are not very smart you are not very smart , or do you prefer everyone to lie to you
To make it clear for you... passenger planes fly on 10.000 m, Ukrainian military airplanes were taken out mainly on heights less then 1.000 m. That's over 10 times difference. But if that is the same for someone I will call at him "you're not very smart" all day long.

Tragic event.....can't imagine what those damn people must have gone thru....

Only thing I agree with you

Goranz is just sad because no one is buying the hundreds of dead bodies put on the flight from other never found Malaysian aircraft.


--Andy

I think that your blood thirsty government appetites are quite large... Hopefully someone will come soon to end that thirst by sucking them dry... Supporters like you can also be included(for free)

[KoolBak]

The Vampire Conspiracy? It IS a mind blower

[aad0906]

1. MH17 was flying way off from his course(it should have been over Azov Sea instead in the middle of war zone), and only Ukrainian aircraft controllers could have diverted it.

No, this was the regular course for Malaysia Airlines and some other airlines, allthough a number of airlines did indeed avoid the area altogether.

2. For now everyone is excluding the possibility of mechanical problems with the airplane, and is accusing opposite side of the conflict which is quite odd since accidents do happen.

Nothing should ever be discounted right off the bat. But mechanical problems don't usually lead to the immediate loss of communication, cabin pressure and the plane falling down like a rock. However the black boxes have confirmed that there was indeed an impact resulting in the abrupt loss of cabin pressure (which also explains why naked bodies were falling down, loss of cabin pressure can be compared like a storm multiple times the force of a hurricane.

5. The one that is profiting from this situation is most probably the one that is responsible for this tragic event.

I don't think anyone is profiting from this.

6. If rocket was fired at MH17 is was attentional or done by a man who has no clue how that weapon system works.

That is correct. A well trained crew would have had the ability to distinguish between a Ukrainian army transport plane (turbo-prop) and a commercial airline. A well trained crew would not have accidentally shot it down. It is very unlikely that the Ukrainian separatists had such well trained crews. A poorly trained crew could have accidentally shot it down, not realizing what they are doing. In the same area several Ukrainian military planes were shot down in the days/weeks leading up to the incident.

[GoranZ]

5. The one that is profiting from this situation is most probably the one that is responsible for this tragic event.

I don't think anyone is profiting from this.

Israel, Ukranian government, US...

6. If rocket was fired at MH17 is was attentional or done by a man who has no clue how that weapon system works.

That is correct. A well trained crew would have had the ability to distinguish between a Ukrainian army transport plane (turbo-prop) and a commercial airline. A well trained crew would not have accidentally shot it down. It is very unlikely that the Ukrainian separatists had such well trained crews. A poorly trained crew could have accidentally shot it down, not realizing what they are doing. In the same area several Ukrainian military planes were shot down in the days/weeks leading up to the incident.

According to the data released from Russian spy satellites, Ukranian government did it, to be precise Kolomoisky Forces did it(according from some sources they are lead by Israeli volunteers).


So far this is the best evidence who did it...

[GoranZ]

According to the latest reports MH17 was brought down by Air-to-Air Missile, and it was finished off by 30-mm cannon by Ukrainian Su-25 fighter.

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140806 ... 30-mm.html

And the most interesting part is this: "The air-to-ground transmission tapes between MH17 and Ukrainian air traffic controllers were seized by the Ukrainian Security Service on the day of the shootdown and have not been made available to investigators."

[muy_thaiguy]

If there is one thing to note, it's that Russian propaganda is one of the few propaganda rings worse than US propaganda (I'd say North Korea is top of the list though). Why? Hello, it's controlled by the government. The US isn't much better, admittedly, but at least there is some variance and it's not all controlled by the government (an there are independent sources as well).

[sjnap]

@GoranZ ; you are such a fool to believe all the shit you read. despicable. i hope some day you will excuse to all the people who are suffering from this tragedy.

[shickingbrits]

sjnap,

In your version of reality, when a child is snatched from a park, the police should apologize to the mother for investigating it?

[GoranZ]

If there is one thing to note, it's that Russian propaganda is one of the few propaganda rings worse than US propaganda (I'd say North Korea is top of the list though). Why? Hello, it's controlled by the government. The US isn't much better, admittedly, but at least there is some variance and it's not all controlled by the government (an there are independent sources as well).

Where are your independent sources? Show them or shut up...

Evidence Is Now Conclusive: 2 Ukrainian Government SU-25 Fighter-Jets Did Shoot Down that Malaysian Airliner. No “Buk” Missile Ground-Shot Was Involved.
source: http://www.blacklistednews.com/Evidence ... 8/Y/M.html

@GoranZ ; you are such a fool to believe all the shit you read.

RIA Novosti is reliable enough and has first hand informations, the same way as BBC has them in UK... it is up to you if you consider it as shit, but dont call me fool for my desire to share the truth, it doesn't fit with the picture that you want to present for your self.

i hope some day you will excuse to all the people who are suffering from this tragedy.

I want to know the truth what ever that might be, but you dont want the truth, you want Russians to do it(despite the obvious facts that they didn't do it)...
IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD APOLOGIZE NOT ME

[BigBallinStalin]

NO, IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ME!

[AndyDufresne]

NO, IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ME!

Who's sayin' what's-it?


--Andy

[GoranZ]

NO, IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ME!

for?

btw the official results of the international investigation should be known on September the first... or not(if Western supported puppets in Kiev did it).

[BigBallinStalin]

NO, IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ME!

for?

btw the official results of the international investigation should be known on September the first... or not(if Western supported puppets in Kiev did it).

I'm gonna tell Obama on you. You'll be sorry!

[GoranZ]

NO, IT IS YOU WHO SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO ME!

for?

btw the official results of the international investigation should be known on September the first... or not(if Western supported puppets in Kiev did it).

I'm gonna tell Obama on you. You'll be sorry!

ups... I'm in deep shit now

[GoranZ]

1-st of September is already behind us...

The Causes of the MH17 Crash are “Classified”. Ukraine, Netherlands, Australia, Belgium Signed a “Non-disclosure Agreement”
And what we have learned? Blood sucking west killed all those passengers from MH17...

Something older Malaysian press charges Ukraine government shot down MH 17

[AndyDufresne]

I have secret information that if you go far west enough (or east, or any other direction) you will eventually arrive back at your take off point. This leads me to believe Goranz has been in on all of this since the beginning.


--Andy

[GoranZ]

Goranz is just sad because no one is buying the hundreds of dead bodies put on the flight from other never found Malaysian aircraft.


--Andy

You are wrong Mr. Monkey... I'm sad because of the atrocities your government is doing, to foreigners, to its allies, and to its people...

If there is one thing to note, it's that Russian propaganda is one of the few propaganda rings worse than US propaganda (I'd say North Korea is top of the list though). Why? Hello, it's controlled by the government. The US isn't much better, admittedly, but at least there is some variance and it's not all controlled by the government (an there are independent sources as well).

Where are the indisputable evidence that Donetsk People's Republic army take out the plane? Or they will be presented after finding Iraq's WMD

@GoranZ ; you are such a fool to believe all the shit you read. despicable. i hope some day you will excuse to all the people who are suffering from this tragedy.

It turn out that the "shit" I was reading is the truth... and the one that you were reading was shit you were talking about. You must be feeling like a fool now.