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[macbone]

Do people choose to be gay or straight?

[ConfederateSS]

-----Most people think slavery. When they hear "Mason/Dixon Line. It was far worse. Not only did they divide North and South. They set the ground work for Manifest Destiny. A White person was considered 5/5 Human(100%). A Black person was considered 3/5 Human(60%)(property). An Indian person was considered 0/5 Human(0%)(a savage)(non human). To be hunted like a wolf or a bear. It is nice to see Mankind advancing so well,so fast. Why can't we all just be EARTHLINGS. Be done with it already. However the day that happens. Earth will be renamed. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[notyou2]

The woman is an Acadian. I can tell by her name. They deported them from where I live.

[BigBallinStalin]

Next they'll be letting their male staff put security cams in the women's toilet cubicles for Black History Month.

MRSWDK WINS!!!

[Phatscotty]

But, intersex is way different from transgender. intersex is a physical issue and is a fact of life from birth. Intergender is 100% in the mind and not an issue of birth. Some may say it's in the heart or the soul too. But the point is,there is no way to prove or disprove what your mind truly thinks or identifies with, it all comes down to the spoken word 'I decide to become and declare myslef to be intergender' Someone can lie about that, for whatever reason or no reason at all, perhaps even just to cause a problem for someone they don't like, and how could you prove someone is lying about that or if they are telling the truth.

I don't believe you tell the truth about anything.

Oh, hello Mets! Luckily there is a way we can find out! Let's take what I said one thing at a time.

#1
'intersex is way different from transgender'

I don't get it Mets. You say I don't tell the truth about anything. So, concerning #1, what did I 'lie' or speak incorrectly about? You must be of the opinion intersex and transgender the same things?

[Phatscotty]

Do people choose to be gay or straight?

Somewhat, some do, absolutely. More often though sexuality is a product of what we learn and our experiences. There are some other reasons and factors too, but those are not for public conversation

[warmonger1981]

Dr.Kenneth Clark did experiments using black children from segregated schools and integrated schools. These kids had to choose from dolls that were identical other than skin color. One white doll the other black. These kids were asked to choose which one looks nice, looks bad and a cooler skin color. Most of these black children chose the white doll over their own skin colored doll.

They also did a coloring test with black children. They were told to color their own skin color. While most did color themselves accurate about 12% did not. When asked to color another child of the opposite sex 52% of these kids colored white kids. So is it possible that a persons race can be learned.

[Phatscotty]

Dr.Kenneth Clark did experiments using black children from segregated schools and integrated schools. These kids had to choose from dolls that were identical other than skin color. One white doll the other black. These kids were asked to choose which one looks nice, looks bad and a cooler skin color. Most of these black children chose the white doll over their own skin colored doll.

They also did a coloring test with black children. They were told to color their own skin color. While most did color themselves accurate about 12% did not. When asked to color another child of the opposite sex 52% of these kids colored white kids. So is it possible that a persons race can be learned.

[Shannon Apple]

Do people choose to be gay or straight?

I don't think that's really the point though.

This could potentially become very dangerous. If this was a full transgender woman or at least partway, I'd have no problems with it at all because I would know that the person was completely sincere in their identity. However, this situation leaves it open to sexual predators to claim they just look manly, but are in fact female inside. I can't agree with that as a woman and I wouldn't go in the locker room while "she" was there either. The world is getting way too fucking stupid and just because someone is born straight, it doesn't mean they should have to put up with shit that makes them feel violated or at the very least, really uncomfortable.

Personally, I would have just boycotted the gym rather than cause a big fuss and go to one that still segregates on physical gender. Locker rooms are segregated for a reason, and I would personally like to feel safe.

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But, intersex is way different from transgender. intersex is a physical issue and is a fact of life from birth. Intergender is 100% in the mind and not an issue of birth. Some may say it's in the heart or the soul too. But the point is,there is no way to prove or disprove what your mind truly thinks or identifies with, it all comes down to the spoken word 'I decide to become and declare myslef to be intergender' Someone can lie about that, for whatever reason or no reason at all, perhaps even just to cause a problem for someone they don't like, and how could you prove someone is lying about that or if they are telling the truth.

I don't believe you tell the truth about anything.

Oh, hello Mets! Luckily there is a way we can find out! Let's take what I said one thing at a time.

#1
'intersex is way different from transgender'

I don't get it Mets. You say I don't tell the truth about anything. So, concerning #1, what did I 'lie' or speak incorrectly about? You must be of the opinion intersex and transgender the same things?

I kinda did just provide four different studies on the last page discussing how transgender individual's bodies and minds are often different on a scientifically measurable level. But sure, go ahead and talk with Mets, you obviously have your reasons for not wanting to talk about that...

There are some other reasons and factors too, but those are not for public conversation

Right! That's it, I forgot that science isn't fit for public conversation anymore. Sorry about that.

[/]

Do people choose to be gay or straight?

I don't think that's really the point though.

This could potentially become very dangerous. If this was a full transgender woman or at least partway, I'd have no problems with it at all because I would know that the person was completely sincere in their identity. However, this situation leaves it open to sexual predators to claim they just look manly, but are in fact female inside. I can't agree with that as a woman and I wouldn't go in the locker room while "she" was there either. The world is getting way too fucking stupid and just because someone is born straight, it doesn't mean they should have to put up with shit that makes them feel violated or at the very least, really uncomfortable.

Personally, I would have just boycotted the gym rather than cause a big fuss and go to one that still segregates on physical gender. Locker rooms are segregated for a reason, and I would personally like to feel safe.

I actually agree that there should be some level of verification for someone to officially change gender, like a doctor, psychiatrist, or other expert on the subject signing off on a diagnosis. Everyone is free to express themselves how they want, but the law should always root itself in verifiable facts (which themselves constantly change with study). I also agree that you have the right to do business using whatever criteria you prefer.

That said, does segregating locker rooms actually make them safer? Molesters and murderers (hopefully) aren't vampires, they don't need permission to waltz into any changing room they feel like. There's actually no laws enforcing it either technically, and I don't think most that places actually guards those areas with any rigor. It's a matter of personal courtesy for patrons to mind their own business and be polite, and from the stories, that seems to be enforced by the gym's policy. I would hope that if a stranger was perving out on someone in the locker rooms, they'd be punished accordingly, regardless of sex, sexuality, or gender.

[Phatscotty]

Everyone is free to express themselves how they want

including racially

[Phatscotty]

But, intersex is way different from transgender. intersex is a physical issue and is a fact of life from birth. Intergender is 100% in the mind and not an issue of birth. Some may say it's in the heart or the soul too. But the point is,there is no way to prove or disprove what your mind truly thinks or identifies with, it all comes down to the spoken word 'I decide to become and declare myslef to be intergender' Someone can lie about that, for whatever reason or no reason at all, perhaps even just to cause a problem for someone they don't like, and how could you prove someone is lying about that or if they are telling the truth.

I don't believe you tell the truth about anything.

Oh, hello Mets! Luckily there is a way we can find out! Let's take what I said one thing at a time.

#1
'intersex is way different from transgender'

I don't get it Mets. You say I don't tell the truth about anything. So, concerning #1, what did I 'lie' or speak incorrectly about? You must be of the opinion intersex and transgender the same things?

I kinda did just provide four different studies on the last page discussing how transgender individual's bodies and minds are often different on a scientifically measurable level. But sure, go ahead and talk with Mets, you obviously have your reasons for not wanting to talk about that...

There are some other reasons and factors too, but those are not for public conversation

Right! That's it, I forgot that science isn't fit for public conversation anymore. Sorry about that.

science isn't the only thing that exists here, is it?

I don't see what there is to talk about transgenders given we both seem to agree. The thing with Mets is just a side game for extra gil.

[BigBallinStalin]

But, intersex is way different from transgender. intersex is a physical issue and is a fact of life from birth. Intergender is 100% in the mind and not an issue of birth. Some may say it's in the heart or the soul too. But the point is,there is no way to prove or disprove what your mind truly thinks or identifies with, it all comes down to the spoken word 'I decide to become and declare myslef to be intergender' Someone can lie about that, for whatever reason or no reason at all, perhaps even just to cause a problem for someone they don't like, and how could you prove someone is lying about that or if they are telling the truth.

I don't believe you tell the truth about anything.

Oh, hello Mets! Luckily there is a way we can find out! Let's take what I said one thing at a time.

#1
'intersex is way different from transgender'

I don't get it Mets. You say I don't tell the truth about anything. So, concerning #1, what did I 'lie' or speak incorrectly about? You must be of the opinion intersex and transgender the same things?

I kinda did just provide four different studies on the last page discussing how transgender individual's bodies and minds are often different on a scientifically measurable level. But sure, go ahead and talk with Mets, you obviously have your reasons for not wanting to talk about that...

There are some other reasons and factors too, but those are not for public conversation

Right! That's it, I forgot that science isn't fit for public conversation anymore. Sorry about that.

science isn't the only thing that exists here, is it?

I don't see what there is to talk about transgenders given we both seem to agree. The thing with Mets is just a side game for extra gil.

I occasionally find myself wondering how many resources are wasted from conversing with you. You want something objective (i.e. scientific), and it's given to you, then you (very likely) ignore that and either (a) make some new point and/or (b) repeat your previous argument. Someone reminds you of the data, and then you say, "science isn't the only thing that exists here, is it?" Yarg...

[warmonger1981]

Obviously the scientific evidence presented by Dr.Clark is measurable on how racial self hatred can be learned on a subconscious level. So is it possible race can be learned or a specific ethnicity? If a white male was born into an all black tribe. Wouldn't that white male associate himself with blacks over Europeans or consider his identity black over white? How about a child raised by wolves. Doesn't that child consider himself wolf over human? The human brain is basically matter that has become conscious. Matter can always be manipulated. Especially matter that is still new to consciousness considering humans haven't been on earth that long.

[Symmetry]

-----Most people think slavery. When they hear "Mason/Dixon Line. It was far worse. Not only did they divide North and South. They set the ground work for Manifest Destiny. A White person was considered 5/5 Human(100%). A Black person was considered 3/5 Human(60%)(property). An Indian person was considered 0/5 Human(0%)(a savage)(non human). To be hunted like a wolf or a bear. It is nice to see Mankind advancing so well,so fast. Why can't we all just be EARTHLINGS. Be done with it already. However the day that happens. Earth will be renamed. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

Perhaps you could start by changing your username and avatar to things that don't celebrate a nation created for the enslavement, torture, and rape of African-Americans.

Just a thought.

[Symmetry]

Wouldn't that white male associate himself with blacks over Europeans or consider his identity black over white?

Would I be correct in inferring that you consider "black" and "European" to be diametrically opposed?

[ConfederateSS]

----I only care about the Generals of they grey armies not their politics. The M/D line was made by British govs.. The USA/British enslaved blacks and committed mass murder of a Race of people in the name of Manifest Destiny and ripped off half of Mexico.Not the CSA. I would never fly the real flag of hatred "The Stars and Stripes". Let me ask you..Why African,Latin,Asian American? There are no African,Latin,Asian Canadians. They are just All Canadians. On a passport it just says US citizen. So tell the US Government to stop labeling us already. Just stop.We are all Americans. Plain and simple. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).P.S..Like I said.The Old SOUTH. Was the last of America's Honor. In a flash, it was GONE WITH THE WIND.....

[Symmetry]

----I only care about the Generals of they grey armies not their politics. The M/D line was made by British govs.. The USA/British enslaved blacks and committed mass murder of a Race of people in the name of Manifest Destiny and ripped off half of Mexico.Not the CSA. I would never fly the real flag of hatred "The Stars and Stripes". Let me ask you..Why African,Latin,Asian American? There are no African,Latin,Asian Canadians. They are just All Canadians. On a passport it just says US citizen. So tell the US Government to stop labeling us already. Just stop.We are all Americans. Plain and simple. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).P.S..Like I said.The Old SOUTH. Was the last of America's Honor. In a flash, it was GONE WITH THE WIND.....

Oh, there are plenty of nations with a bloody past, and there are plenty of nations where the legacy of slavery is a stain. The Confederacy is the only one that I can think of that founded itself on slavery.

Also, feel free to peruse this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Canadian

Because, of course, you're spouting nonsense.

[ConfederateSS]

---Groups in Canada maybe..But the average Canadian,just views themselves Canadian. The Canadian Government doesn't try and divide it's people.Americans use it every time they take a breath. Canadians are the nicest people in the World. You can hate on race,faith or rich or poor(hate is found everywhere in the World).The USA was founded on slavery. Thomas Jefferson wanted to end it. On July 1st,1776. But he was forced to sell out the slaves. Rewrite the part where blacks were also freed. That is what took us to July 4th,1776(Later forced us to fight a Civil War). So we would stay unified in the eyes of our oldest ally FRANCE. The rich Confederates yes, but 85% of the CSA army was made up of poor farm and mountain boys. The rich bought their way out of fighting in the war,well most of them. The Old South gave us more than slavery. It was like our Camelot. A code of Honor. Southern Hospitality,something Americans lack now. Let me give you two examples(North/South). In the North,people didn't care how far blacks advanced. But stayed(unsocial). In the South,people were more friendly as long as blacks didn't try to advance in high places.West of the Mississippi it was a free for all. Now it's look away from the on coming person,I don't have time or care. No matter who you are. You think slavery is more a crime. Than mass genocide of the Native Americans and the ones who started slavery. Wave the"Stars and Stripes"proud my American Brother. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[Symmetry]

---Groups in Canada maybe..But the average Canadian,just views themselves Canadian. The Canadian Government doesn't try and divide it's people.Americans use it every time they take a breath. Canadians are the nicest people in the World. You can hate on race,faith or rich or poor(hate is found everywhere in the World).The USA was founded on slavery. Thomas Jefferson wanted to end it. On July 1st,1776. But he was forced to sell out the slaves. Rewrite the part where blacks were also freed. That is what took us to July 4th,1776(Later forced us to fight a Civil War). So we would stay unified in the eyes of our oldest ally FRANCE. The rich Confederates yes, but 85% of the CSA army was made up of poor farm and mountain boys. The rich bought their way out of fighting in the war,well most of them. The Old South gave us more than slavery. It was like our Camelot. A code of Honor. Southern Hospitality,something Americans lack now. Let me give you two examples(North/South). In the North,people didn't care how far blacks advanced. But stayed(unsocial). In the South,people were more friendly as long as blacks didn't try to advance in high places.West of the Mississippi it was a free for all. Now it's look away from the on coming person,I don't have time or care. No matter who you are. You think slavery is more a crime. Than mass genocide of the Native Americans and the ones who started slavery. Wave the"Stars and Stripes"proud my American Brother. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

The data in the article I just provided was taken from a Canadian government census. So, once again, your argument holds no water. Also, you probably don't want me to get started on Thomas Jefferson.

[ConfederateSS]

---You missed my point. YOU WILL NEVER HEAR CANADIANS, REFER TO THEMSELVES AS AFRICAN CANADIANS..JUST CANADIANS.Unlike their American counter parts. The USA was founded on slavery..Why ,because in order to be founded. Someone else has to recognize your knew nation. In The USA case,that was France. No one recognized The CSA. The South tried to get Europe(England, France and others.even Japan)to recognize The Confederate States of America. But most nations still viewed the South as part of The USA. They didn't want to get trapped in our affairs. Also in 1807,slavery was banned in the British Empire. By the 1820's slavery was dying out just about everywhere except in the USA(south). So I guess the only country you know founded on slavery is THE USA,not to mention mass genocide. Like I said I love Generals like LEE,JACKSON, Rommel,Von Manstien. Their strategies are taught world wide in military academies. Sure Washington(was British) his retreat strategy worked. But not impressive. Not to many Red ,White and Bluers to chose from. I also don't like how USAer's treat their warriors. Spit on,rocks,eggs,etc. thrown at them when they got off the plane back from a lost War. How do you boo someone who is willing to die for you. Go Stars and Stripes Go..Honor baby,Honor..Like a flash ,it was Gone With The Wind. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[Symmetry]

---You missed my point. YOU WILL NEVER HEAR CANADIANS, REFER TO THEMSELVES AS AFRICAN CANADIANS..JUST CANADIANS.Unlike their American counter parts. The USA was founded on slavery..Why ,because in order to be founded. Someone else has to recognize your knew nation. In The USA case,that was France. No one recognized The CSA. The South tried to get Europe(England, France and others.even Japan)to recognize The Confederate States of America. But most nations still viewed the South as part of The USA. They didn't want to get trapped in our affairs. Also in 1807,slavery was banned in the British Empire. By the 1820's slavery was dying out just about everywhere except in the USA(south). So I guess the only country you know founded on slavery is THE USA,not to mention mass genocide. Like I said I love Generals like LEE,JACKSON, Rommel,Von Manstien. Their strategies are taught world wide in military academies. Sure Washington(was British) his retreat strategy worked. But not impressive. Not to many Red ,White and Bluers to chose from. I also don't like how USAer's treat their warriors. Spit on,rocks,eggs,etc. thrown at them when they got off the plane back from a lost War. How do you boo someone who is willing to die for you. Go Stars and Stripes Go..Honor baby,Honor..Like a flash ,it was Gone With The Wind. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

And a quick google search once again destroys your argument:



But hey, maybe you'll shift the argument again.

[ConfederateSS]

----Back on the banned lady. The one thing she didn't do is talk to the person. She was banned for telling others. Maybe she should have tried talking. Like a human being. But like all Americans..It's me,me,me,me. I can't Imagine why the world hates us. As for me I was brought up. Walking,riding a bike everywhere. We had two cars. My dad took the bus to work. We walked,road our bikes to school,baseball practice,work etc. I have to laugh at all you gym goers anyway. Get off your fat asses and do something,you wouldn't need a gym. You can't even get the kids to walk 2 blocks to the store now a days. I am from Southwest Detroit wise guy. Born and Raised..Go TIGERS(Windsor,Canada is 5 minutes from my house). Now Southwest Detroit is 85% Hispanic. They are hard workers don't bother anybody. The way it should be. Keep to yourself and don't bother anyone. You go your way. I'll go mine. That's the way it should be,not stepping on someone else's toes. That's what that lady should have done. Talk,say wear a robe. Or if your going to be here at ?. She could have changed her gym time..Or the other person could of. Telling other members,was stepping on the other person's toes.If she thought that person was a man,maybe she should of asked him/her.That's her own fault. What an American wrong. No, say it is not so. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

[Symmetry]

----Back on the banned lady. The one thing she didn't do is talk to the person. She was banned for telling others. Maybe she should have tried talking. Like a human being. But like all Americans..It's me,me,me,me. I can't Imagine why the world hates us. As for me I was brought up. Walking,riding a bike everywhere. We had two cars. My dad took the bus to work. We walked,road our bikes to school,baseball practice,work etc. I have to laugh at all you gym goers anyway. Get off your fat asses and do something,you wouldn't need a gym. You can't even get the kids to walk 2 blocks to the store now a days. I am from Southwest Detroit wise guy. Born and Raised..Go TIGERS(Windsor,Canada is 5 minutes from my house). Now Southwest Detroit is 85% Hispanic. They are hard workers don't bother anybody. The way it should be. Keep to yourself and don't bother anyone. You go your way. I'll go mine. That's the way it should be,not stepping on someone else's toes. That's what that lady should have done. Talk,say wear a robe. Or if your going to be here at ?. She could have changed her gym time..Or the other person could of. Telling other members,was stepping on the other person's toes.If she thought that person was a man,maybe she should of asked him/her.That's her own fault. What an American wrong. No, say it is not so. ConfederateSS.out!(The Blue and Silver Rebellion).

I'm not sure if I should be encouraging your descent into madness anymore. Please seek help.