New America

[AndyDufresne]

Start being like sultan... NOW! Make some awesome comment about how everyone is stupid!

--Andy

[Phatscotty]

Which reminds me, check out this guy that questioned Rand Paul yesterday. He, correctly so, asks about "new" American "values"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=MzwwZFU6_yk&t=49m30s

If a value is "new" then it's not American, it's something else. If a new religion came out saying it was the "new" Islam, that means it's "not Islam", it's something else.

[Phatscotty]

look guys race aside, things are bad, and could get worse, i am white, union trained carpenter goin on 20 years now, alot of trades have been hit hard, talkin about skilled trades specifically the kind of jobs that pay 30k to over 100k a year, the people who pay their taxes and go to work every day, well we used to when there were jobs to go to. I know plenty of guys who havent worked this year, as this progresses and if things get worse there will be more and more people in line for your so called obama bucks, starts out with guys signing up for unemployment ins. then getting in line for public aid to get food stamps, then gettin in line for help with paying the utility bills. This is beyond 1 group of people needing help, there are people on food stamps in nearly every zip code. people are losing their houses to foreclosure, how can you blame people for asking for help from obama, he ran on a platform of CHANGE, he was gonna fix things, hopefully he can.

How about an update Zezzo?

[azezzo]

after being unable to find work in Chicago, back in 2009, I took a job in Texas, then Colorado, then Alaska, then Indiana, back to Texas, back to Indiana, then to New York state. Been here 2 years now working at a Government facility, so called retirement job if I can adapt to the slower pace, people here call it "welfare for white people" I have a problem with that, but I admit the concept of job security has its appeal.
A bit ironic, not sure why fate or karma or whatever has brought me here, I didnt even apply for the job, my wife filled out all the paperwork.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Which reminds me, check out this guy that questioned Rand Paul yesterday. He, correctly so, asks about "new" American "values"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=MzwwZFU6_yk&t=49m30s

If a value is "new" then it's not American, it's something else. If a new religion came out saying it was the "new" Islam, that means it's "not Islam", it's something else.

So what you're saying is that if X is not an "American Value" at time t then it cannot be an American value at time t+1 either.
Applying induction we can conclude that anything that was not an "American Value" at time t=0 will never be an "American Value", so I guess you think "American Values" spontaneously appeared during the first planck time at the beginning of the universe.
either that, or value systems change organically.

[AndyDufresne]

Which reminds me, check out this guy that questioned Rand Paul yesterday. He, correctly so, asks about "new" American "values"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=MzwwZFU6_yk&t=49m30s

If a value is "new" then it's not American, it's something else. If a new religion came out saying it was the "new" Islam, that means it's "not Islam", it's something else.

So what you're saying is that if X is not an "American Value" at time t then it cannot be an American value at time t+1 either.
Applying induction we can conclude that anything that was not an "American Value" at time t=0 will never be an "American Value", so I guess you think "American Values" spontaneously appeared during the first planck time at the beginning of the universe.
either that, or value systems change organically.

I've found some intriguing evidence.




--Andy

[Phatscotty]

Which reminds me, check out this guy that questioned Rand Paul yesterday. He, correctly so, asks about "new" American "values"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=MzwwZFU6_yk&t=49m30s

If a value is "new" then it's not American, it's something else. If a new religion came out saying it was the "new" Islam, that means it's "not Islam", it's something else.

So what you're saying is that if X is not an "American Value" at time t then it cannot be an American value at time t+1 either.
Applying induction we can conclude that anything that was not an "American Value" at time t=0 will never be an "American Value", so I guess you think "American Values" spontaneously appeared during the first planck time at the beginning of the universe.
either that, or value systems change organically.

In English, America has basic values and principles, that make us and always have made us unique in our own way, for better or worse. This student's comments, about "new" American values, is a clear contrast from the American values we have held and have worked well for the last 200 years. The values began at our founding, in 1776, not the beginning of the universe

Just an aside question, since you seem to always be an honest collaborator (-1 above) around here. Do you think the student who asked all those questions about what he wants/demands is greedy?

[AndyDufresne]

Which reminds me, check out this guy that questioned Rand Paul yesterday. He, correctly so, asks about "new" American "values"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=MzwwZFU6_yk&t=49m30s

If a value is "new" then it's not American, it's something else. If a new religion came out saying it was the "new" Islam, that means it's "not Islam", it's something else.

So what you're saying is that if X is not an "American Value" at time t then it cannot be an American value at time t+1 either.
Applying induction we can conclude that anything that was not an "American Value" at time t=0 will never be an "American Value", so I guess you think "American Values" spontaneously appeared during the first planck time at the beginning of the universe.
either that, or value systems change organically.

In English, America has basic values and principles, that make us and always have made us unique in our own way, for better or worse.

More likely, homo sapiens have basic values and principles that have made us unique in our own ways, for better or worse. But even this sounds pretty anthropocentric. Whenever one declares themselves a center of sort, more than likely the center is somewhere else, or there never has been a center at all.


--Andy

[Haggis_McMutton]

In English, America has basic values and principles, that make us and always have made us unique in our own way, for better or worse. This student's comments, about "new" American values, is a clear contrast from the American values we have held and have worked well for the last 200 years. The values began at our founding, in 1776, not the beginning of the universe

Wait, my previous post was obviously tongue in cheek but it made a valid point. When exactly do you think these values emerged? Within 5 years of founding? Do you really not think that these embrionic values have mutated at all in the last 250 years? Does not the fact that, for instance, the US used to be pretty isolationistic and has now turned 180 degrees on that imply some degree of change in "American values" ?

Just an aside question, since you seem to always be an honest collaborator (-1 above) around here. Do you think the student who asked all those questions about what he wants/demands is greedy?

Yeah, a bit. Though I don't have enough knowledge on the subject to say whether he's right or not. Maybe it is in the best interest of the government and the people to help with college education, I dunno.

More likely, homo sapiens have basic values and principles that have made us unique in our own ways, for better or worse. But even this sounds pretty anthropocentric. Whenever one declares themselves a center of sort, more than likely the center is somewhere else, or there never has been a center at all.


--Andy

You should post seriously more often.

[AndyDufresne]

You should post seriously more often.

The internet is not made for seriousness.




--Andy

[notyou2]

IRS can read your e-mail (but why would they want to?)

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valle ... -a-warrant

That's disgusting, but it's not surprising.

I believe the exact opposite has been ruled in Canada. You guys are fucked. So much for your alleged liberty.

[Phatscotty]

IRS can read your e-mail (but why would they want to?)

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valle ... -a-warrant

That's disgusting, but it's not surprising.

I believe the exact opposite has been ruled in Canada. You guys are fucked. So much for your alleged liberty.

I love how people go balls deep to support policies they say are good and they disagree it will destroy our Liberty, and then when the policy is implemented, and it destroys our Liberty, they say "so much for your alleged Liberty"

[notyou2]

Which reminds me, check out this guy that questioned Rand Paul yesterday. He, correctly so, asks about "new" American "values"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=MzwwZFU6_yk&t=49m30s

If a value is "new" then it's not American, it's something else. If a new religion came out saying it was the "new" Islam, that means it's "not Islam", it's something else.

So what you're saying is that if X is not an "American Value" at time t then it cannot be an American value at time t+1 either.
Applying induction we can conclude that anything that was not an "American Value" at time t=0 will never be an "American Value", so I guess you think "American Values" spontaneously appeared during the first planck time at the beginning of the universe.
either that, or value systems change organically.

In English, America has basic values and principles, that make us and always have made us unique in our own way, for better or worse.

More likely, homo sapiens have basic values and principles that have made us unique in our own ways, for better or worse. But even this sounds pretty anthropocentric. Whenever one declares themselves a center of sort, more than likely the center is somewhere else, or there never has been a center at all.


--Andy

You must have wanted to say an awful lot of things but had to bite your tongue when you were discussion moderator. How to exercise restraint dude.

[notyou2]

IRS can read your e-mail (but why would they want to?)

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valle ... -a-warrant

That's disgusting, but it's not surprising.

I believe the exact opposite has been ruled in Canada. You guys are fucked. So much for your alleged liberty.

I love how people go balls deep to support policies they say are good and they disagree it will destroy our Liberty, and then when the policy is implemented, and it destroys our Liberty, they say "so much for your alleged Liberty"

Huh? Who loaded the courts?

[Phatscotty]

IRS can read your e-mail (but why would they want to?)

http://thehill.com/blogs/hillicon-valle ... -a-warrant

That's disgusting, but it's not surprising.

I believe the exact opposite has been ruled in Canada. You guys are fucked. So much for your alleged liberty.

I love how people go balls deep to support policies they say are good and they disagree it will destroy our Liberty, and then when the policy is implemented, and it destroys our Liberty, they say "so much for your alleged Liberty"

Huh? Who loaded the courts?

Here's how it works. People like this laugh at those who think Progressives/new Americans want to ban guns, go on and on about how the gun owners are paranoid and probably racist too, make all kinds of cases about how you don't need this many bullets, and laugh off anyone who disagrees, call them more names. Then, Obama Democrats admit they want to ban the guns, and the people who were laughing and shouting down the other side during the debate and saying this would never happen and those who thought it would are just paranoid.....chime in to say "So much for your alleged liberty".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0LwGnaKZy8&t=0m16s