Zimmerman vs. DMX - Boxing Match?

[Phatscotty]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

[Symmetry]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

Stay sharp

Casual google search and I get 2 reports, 1 saying it wasn't related to the Martin case, 1 from the Daily Mail saying it was. And you know what that means! The Daily Mail Song! For Idiots who still trust it for anything:

Sing-A-Long!

[Phatscotty]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

Stay sharp

Casual google search and I get 2 reports, 1 saying it wasn't related to the Martin case, 1 from the Daily Mail saying it was. And you know what that means! The Daily Mail Song! For Idiots who still trust it for anything:

Sing-A-Long!

Nice attitude. Your commitment to compassion and your efforts to make the world a better place are firing on all cylinders. Sometimes you just care too much.

[Symmetry]

You still have not been able to see...... A lynch mob, a real lynch mob, took place this Sunday in Alabama.

Stay sharp

Casual google search and I get 2 reports, 1 saying it wasn't related to the Martin case, 1 from the Daily Mail saying it was. And you know what that means! The Daily Mail Song! For Idiots who still trust it for anything:

Sing-A-Long!

Nice attitude. Your commitment to compassion and your efforts to make the world a better place are firing on all cylinders.

I work on a case by case basis, and you are quite a case.

[Phatscotty]

All your talk tonight, you have managed to avoid a single word of what the posts were actually about. You can only talk about what the source, who is saying it, and why you don't want any of the information. That is quite a feat.

It's a dodge thing I'm sure

[Symmetry]

Bugger, I could totally have worked "job" in there and made it more clever, I dunno- working my job case by case, say you were a job case. That is a thing right? Like nut case?

I'm thinking of nut job, aren't I? I know that's a thing.

[Phatscotty]

Bugger, I could totally have worked "job" in there and made it more clever, I dunno- working my job case by case, say you were a job case. That is a thing right? Like nut case?

I'm thinking of nut job, aren't I? I know that's a thing.

Yet, I know why you incessantly attack me. I think a lot of other people do too....

I hope you know why none of it bothers me, but maybe you don't.

You go ahead and keep attacking and keep laughing, over here people are praying for peace and love.

[Symmetry]

Bugger, I could totally have worked "job" in there and made it more clever, I dunno- working my job case by case, say you were a job case. That is a thing right? Like nut case?

I'm thinking of nut job, aren't I? I know that's a thing.

Yet, I know why you incessantly attack me. I think a lot of other people do too....

I hope you know why none of it bothers me, but maybe you don't.

You go ahead and keep attacking and keep laughing, over here people are praying for peace.

Hmm, I'm intrigued, tell me why you think I "incessantly attack you".

[Symmetry]

Or just PM dude, you know I reply to those.

[Symmetry]

I made a funny and you guys didn't pick up on it (Baldur's Gate quote).

Look dudes, I'm all for pointing out inconsistencies in media coverage; I'm just also pointing out Drudge's inconsistentices. I agree that the media sensationalized this and now there's all this ridiculous violence that is completely misguided (as if violence is not misguided of its own accord). But Drudge's insistence on not letting this go is annoying. I want more politics and more sharks.

It's more than ridiculous. It's deadly serious. But why don't you send Drudge a letter, telling him not to report on hate crimes anymore. That way we don't have to be bothered with what is going on around us until something bad happens to someone in our family or someone we know.

Symmetry? Natty? Is that you?

C'mon PS. I said it 50 pages ago in this thread and I'll say it again - This shit happens all the time. No one reports on it. In six months Drudge won't report on it either. He's reporting on it now to advance his own agenda; same as the original media morons. Either he needs to report on this all the time (all violent, hate-related crimes, not just the black-on-white crime) or he needs to knock it the f*ck off.

Difference between Drudge and the original media morons: only the former is posting true narratives.

Yes, that is true. I still haven't heard any media member apologize or even acknowledge that he or she used the wrong racial term to describe Zimmerman.

What is the correct racial term to describe Mr Zimmerman, just out of interest. Can he not be considered hispanic because his father was white? Or can he not be called white because his mother was hispanic?

What is the right racial term for Mr. Zimmerman that the media should apologize for not acknowledging?

Your post seems to have missed out that key detail. How would you classify him by race?

Is it, for example, wrong to call him White, because his blood is half Hispanic, but ok to call him Hispanic because he's not pure White. Heaven forbid a media outlet use the term White-Hispanic.

[thegreekdog]

Can he not be considered hispanic because his father was white? Or can he not be called white because his mother was hispanic?

Great question. I wonder what our first African American president would say (or should I say our 44th white president)?

What is the right racial term for Mr. Zimmerman that the media should apologize for not acknowledging?

There is no right racial term. They shouldn't have called him white or Hispanic. What they should have said, as they say in 99% of the other times this happens, some guy shot and killed some other guy.

How would you classify him by race?

I wouldn't classify him by race (more on that below... and, frankly, 50 pages ago, but we have short memories don't we?)

As I said pages ago, this was a media-created news story (similar to how Drudge is creating news stories now). This kind of stuff happens all the time, it doesn't get reported, the national media decided to pick this Trayvon story and they called the killer white. Why did they call him white? I'm cynical. They called him white to create the media shitstorm. Here's the progression:

(1) Find story of black kid getting killed.
(2) Call killer white.
(3) Get president to comment.
(4) Profit.

I watch the local news; they rarely, if ever, refer to the victim or alleged perpetrator by race, color, or creed. So, again, we get into that debate we had 50 pages ago where I accuse people of using this story to advance political or monetary agendas and you, Natty, PS, and Night Strike get angry because you're caught up in the furor.

[Neoteny]

If you were interested in the facts of the case, you would have called for a trial. That's how our justice system works, for better or worse (by the way, I don't think it was a hate crime; I think it was an escalated situation based on certain prejudices both Zimmerman and Martin probably have).

If I wanted the facts, why would I have automatically called for a trial? If the facts show that a person acted in self-defense, why should they still have to face a trial? If the facts show that Zimmerman properly followed the Stand Your Ground law that specifically bars someone from being arrested, why would I call for a trial? Trials aren't always necessary to elicit the facts, and there are some facts that would preclude having a trial. Furthermore, this specific case could still be thrown out before it even gets to trial if the judge decides that it was self-defense or a proper application of Stand Your Ground.

While I'm happy that you're content to trust all judges and prosecutors to be balanced and unbiased, the facts of the case are that an unarmed minor was shot, there is evidence of a struggle, and a 911 call that implicates Zimmerman in exacerbating the situation. We also have two conflicting stories about the lead up to the struggle. Those are the facts we have. It is not a home invasion or something that cut and dry. I don't expect a judge will throw it out (though I'll admit it's not a longshot to occur), and if a prosecutor had good enough evidence to demonstrate self defense (that Zimmerman didn't escalate), then it certainly hasn't been released, and it should come out at the trial.

But, if the prosecutor thinks there's nothing to it, and Night Strike says there's nothing to it, then I guess that's that. Again, I don't care now that "the facts" will "come to light" and probably be reviewed by a jury of his peers. I officially give no shits. But I do give many shits about the continued insistence that a person who shot another person should not have the incident reviewed in a court setting, especially when the insistence is built upon a foundation of racism

If this situation was built on a "foundation of racism", why was there a hate crime enhancer attached to the charges? Answer: there's no indication, muchless proof, that this was racially motivated.

Your third "fact" of the 911 call implicating him is a dubious claim, at best. And you're assuming that all juries are unbiased by demanding that this case go to trial. A person who defends himself or appropriately follows the Stand Your Ground law should NEVER be forced to go to trial. A trial is not required for the presence of facts.

You misunderstand. I don't think the killing was racially motivated. I think the defense of the killing is. I think it's also based on a fetishization of guns. But when I say the insistence of Zimmerman's innocence is racially motivated, I'm referring mostly to that fact that his supporters feel that the black community is oversensitive to issues of race. I don't know what you guys think black people are trying to achieve, but this rage against rage against racism contributes heavily to my conclusion that you are racist. More importantly, I wasn't talking about Zimmerman defenders as a whole having the foundation of their defense being based on race. People are diverse, and there are myriad reasons people are defending Zimmerman. I was talking specifically about two particular Zimmernuts. You and Phatscotty. I think your defense of Zimmerman is due almost entirely as a response to a perceived overreaction to the shooting. You and your crew have ranted endlessly about THE MEDIA and THE BLACKS blowing everything out of proportion, and have used that as a defense for Zimmerman. We have been constantly cautioned to "wait for the facts." This phrase apparently doesn't mean "wait for a public presentation of objective evidence." It means "wait until we can find appropriate character assassinations to counter the media perceptions." It means "wait until extreme, ill-conceived, retributive vigilantism occurs so that we can produce our own agitprop."

None of this has anything to do with Zimmerman's innocence or objective truths. You don't actually care about that. What you do care about is perception. You writhe in internal agony at the thought of black people getting one over on you. You gurgle angrily at the thought of THE MEDIA propagating someone else's perspective over your own. There are many things you care about regarding this case. But the facts of the incident are not included in that. Except as they relate to what you do care about. You do care about the culture war associated with the case. And so, despite all your cries for fairness and equality, you still can't bring yourself to a level above that of ad hominems, appeals to emotion, and vilification. So please forgive me for thinking race might have a little something to do with your perspective.

My third point is the main reason he will go to trial. That's not appropriate self defense. If he didn't actually follow Martin, or can otherwise refute the way the recording sounds, I think he'll get off. But please stop kidding everyone that it's "dubious." It sounds bad, and Zimmerman's lawyers have their work cut out for them trying to change perspectives on that.

[thegreekdog]

Everyone - read Neoteny's post above.

Then, apply it to both the reaction from the supporters of Zimmerman (which Neoteny has done) and to the attackers of Zimmerman (which Neoteny has not done). Once you've done that, you'll realize how ridiculous the furor over this story is.

And then, once you've done those things, think about what possible gain anyone could have over the nationalizing of this story. Think about the media (money), think about Democrats running for reelection (furor and votes) and think about Republicans running for reelection (furor and votes). That's why I'm cynical about this.

Neoteny is spot on (although he makes his argument at PS and Night Strike rather than at everyone). Virtually no one reporting or discussing this story (not the media, not most Democrats, not most Republicans) care about the actual facts of the allegations or what may or may not happen from a legal perspective. The ONLY thing I've seen that can be called constructive is whether Florida needs a new law regarding "stand your ground."

Also, a related aside - I'm not defending PS or Night Strike (I guess I am a little) or the other conservatives causing a furor, but the furor was not started by conservatives. At the risk of receiving multiple attacks as to my character and intelligence (again), the furor was started by money-motivated media types and politically motivated liberals. That being said, if the conservatives and conservative media would have ignored this, I would feel a lot better about typing what I just typed.

[Neoteny]

I'm not particularly offended by the above. It's pretty accurate from a political perspective. It sort of dehumanizes those who possess the "furor" as being pawns of various media outlets and politicians. To be fair, this is maybe even true. Greek has been on his high horse that this has been blown out of proportion. He's right about that too. Just to explain why I'm raging against the likes of Scotty and NS: I have no issue with the money rubbers and the vote opportunists. This is America. We thrive on that. "Both sides of the aisle" are having a field day with that. But my main issues with this case are "Zimmerman should be charged," and "I smell racism." That's occurring on both sides too. But PS and NS are doing the we aren't racist bit, which I love to call out. Why are you always such a damn party pooper Greek?

[thegreekdog]

I'm not particularly offended by the above. It's pretty accurate from a political perspective. It sort of dehumanizes those who possess the "furor" as being pawns of various media outlets and politicians. To be fair, this is maybe even true. Greek has been on his high horse that this has been blown out of proportion. He's right about that too. Just to explain why I'm raging against the likes of Scotty and NS: I have no issue with the money rubbers and the vote opportunists. This is America. We thrive on that. "Both sides of the aisle" are having a field day with that. But my main issues with this case are "Zimmerman should be charged," and "I smell racism." That's occurring on both sides too. But PS and NS are doing the we aren't racist bit, which I love to call out. Why are you always such a damn party pooper Greek?

I guess I don't like political opportunists' and their media cronies' abilities to dupe people. And I don't like when the duped people (dupees?) get on high horses about shit like this when they ignored it until their favorite politician or media outlet told them to get up in arms about it. It's applicable to both sides, as far as I'm concerned.

Related - I don't think people are pawns necessarily in the sense that I do believe people should care about killings, whether racially motivated or not. For example, we should all care about high rates of violences in cities (I deeply care about it in Philadelphia and do what I can). And we should care about the underlying reasons for that violence (lack of education, lack of proper parenting, judicial indifference, etc.). And we should care about the right to bear arms. Those are all valid things to care about and get into a furor about. But people are definitely used as pawns with respect to this incident.

[BigBallinStalin]

My third point is the main reason he will go to trial. That's not appropriate self defense. If he didn't actually follow Martin, or can otherwise refute the way the recording sounds, I think he'll get off. But please stop kidding everyone that it's "dubious." It sounds bad, and Zimmerman's lawyers have their work cut out for them trying to change perspectives on that.

It sounds like "fucking cold" according to the second link, after this sound engineer clarified it:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167549&start=780#p3707571

[kentington]

I guess I don't like political opportunists' and their media cronies' abilities to dupe people. And I don't like when the duped people (dupees?) get on high horses about shit like this when they ignored it until their favorite politician or media outlet told them to get up in arms about it. It's applicable to both sides, as far as I'm concerned.

I wouldn't say it is necessarily ignored until their favorite politician or media outlet mentions it. In my case I don't hear much about these types of cases locally. I was unaware that race killings were still a common occurrence. So, like you said they dupe us into thinking one way, but sometimes it is also their fault we are unaware of certain issues. I wouldn't say 100% their fault, but the media/politicians are huge instigators in these situations and they reap the benefit while we are left trying to pick everything up.

My interest in this case was mostly because it seemed that both sides seemed to claim they knew what happened, maybe indirectly, but it was still a claim. That kind of stuff amuses me, maybe because I sometimes do this and my wife gets on my case about it.

[Neoteny]

My third point is the main reason he will go to trial. That's not appropriate self defense. If he didn't actually follow Martin, or can otherwise refute the way the recording sounds, I think he'll get off. But please stop kidding everyone that it's "dubious." It sounds bad, and Zimmerman's lawyers have their work cut out for them trying to change perspectives on that.

It sounds like "fucking cold" according to the second link, after this sound engineer clarified it:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167549&start=780#p3707571

I was actually referencing the bit about following Martin. When the operator asked if Zimmerman was following him, he said "yeah." Sorry for any confusion. I've mentioned I don't think Zimmerman was out, er, vermin-hunting. Also, it's bizarre to me that anyone still uses that particular slur. It's the twentyfirstmotherfuckincentury.

[bedub1]

WOW!

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/ ... 8H20120425

(Reuters) - A pit bull named Big Boi began menacing George and Shellie Zimmerman in the fall of 2009.

The first time the dog ran free and cornered Shellie in their gated community in Sanford, Florida, George called the owner to complain. The second time, Big Boi frightened his mother-in-law's dog. Zimmerman called Seminole County Animal Services and bought pepper spray. The third time he saw the dog on the loose, he called again. An officer came to the house, county records show.

"Don't use pepper spray," he told the Zimmermans, according to a friend. "It'll take two or three seconds to take effect, but a quarter second for the dog to jump you," he said.

"Get a gun."

That November, the Zimmermans completed firearms training at a local lodge and received concealed-weapons gun permits. In early December, another source close to them told Reuters, the couple bought a pair of guns. George picked a Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm handgun, a popular, lightweight weapon.

By June 2011, Zimmerman's attention had shifted from a loose pit bull to a wave of robberies that rattled the community, called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. The homeowners association asked him to launch a neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman would begin to carry the Kel-Tec on his regular, dog-walking patrol - a violation of neighborhood watch guidelines but not a crime.

Few of his closest neighbors knew he carried a gun - until two months ago.

On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense. The furor that ensued has consumed the country and prompted a re-examination of guns, race and self-defense laws enacted in nearly half the United States.

During the time Zimmerman was in hiding, his detractors defined him as a vigilante who had decided Martin was suspicious merely because he was black. After Zimmerman was finally arrested on a charge of second-degree murder more than six weeks after the shooting, prosecutors portrayed him as a violent and angry man who disregarded authority by pursuing the 17-year-old.

But a more nuanced portrait of Zimmerman has emerged from a Reuters investigation into Zimmerman's past and a series of incidents in the community in the months preceding the Martin shooting.

Based on extensive interviews with relatives, friends, neighbors, schoolmates and co-workers of Zimmerman in two states, law enforcement officials, and reviews of court documents and police reports, the story sheds new light on the man at the center of one of the most controversial homicide cases in America.

The 28-year-old insurance-fraud investigator comes from a deeply Catholic background and was taught in his early years to do right by those less fortunate. He was raised in a racially integrated household and himself has black roots through an Afro-Peruvian great-grandfather - the father of the maternal grandmother who helped raise him.

A criminal justice student who aspired to become a judge, Zimmerman also concerned himself with the safety of his neighbors after a series of break-ins committed by young African-American men.

Though civil rights demonstrators have argued Zimmerman should not have prejudged Martin, one black neighbor of the Zimmermans said recent history should be taken into account.

"Let's talk about the elephant in the room. I'm black, OK?" the woman said, declining to be identified because she anticipated backlash due to her race. She leaned in to look a reporter directly in the eyes. "There were black boys robbing houses in this neighborhood," she said. "That's why George was suspicious of Trayvon Martin."





George grew up bilingual, and by age 10 he was often called to the Haydon Elementary School principal's office to act as a translator between administrators and immigrant parents. At 14 he became obsessed with becoming a Marine, a relative said, joining the after-school ROTC program at Grace E. Metz Middle School and polishing his boots by night. At 15, he worked three part-time jobs - in a Mexican restaurant, for the rectory, and washing cars - on nights and weekends, to save up for a car.

YOUNG INSURANCE AGENT

On his own at 18, George got a job at an insurance agency and began to take classes at night to earn a license to sell insurance. He grew friendly with a real estate agent named Lee Ann Benjamin, who shared office space in the building, and later her husband, John Donnelly, a Sanford attorney.

"George impressed me right off the bat as just a real go-getter," Donnelly said. "He was working days and taking all these classes at night, passing all the insurance classes, not just for home insurance, but auto insurance and everything. He wanted to open his own office - and he did."

In 2004, Zimmerman partnered with an African-American friend and opened up an Allstate insurance satellite office, Donnelly said.



By the summer of 2011, Twin Lakes was experiencing a rash of burglaries and break-ins. Previously a family-friendly, first-time homeowner community, it was devastated by the recession that hit the Florida housing market, and transient renters began to occupy some of the 263 town houses in the complex. Vandalism and occasional drug activity were reported, and home values plunged. One resident who bought his home in 2006 for $250,000 said it was worth $80,000 today.

At least eight burglaries were reported within Twin Lakes in the 14 months prior to the Trayvon Martin shooting, according to the Sanford Police Department. Yet in a series of interviews, Twin Lakes residents said dozens of reports of attempted break-ins and would-be burglars casing homes had created an atmosphere of growing fear in the neighborhood.

In several of the incidents, witnesses identified the suspects to police as young black men. Twin Lakes is about 50 percent white, with an African-American and Hispanic population of about 20 percent each, roughly similar to the surrounding city of Sanford, according to U.S. Census data.

One morning in July 2011, a black teenager walked up to Zimmerman's front porch and stole a bicycle, neighbors told Reuters. A police report was taken, though the bicycle was not recovered.

But it was the August incursion into the home of Olivia Bertalan that really troubled the neighborhood, particularly Zimmerman. Shellie was home most days, taking online courses towards certification as a registered nurse.

On August 3, Bertalan was at home with her infant son while her husband, Michael, was at work. She watched from a downstairs window, she said, as two black men repeatedly rang her doorbell and then entered through a sliding door at the back of the house. She ran upstairs, locked herself inside the boy's bedroom, and called a police dispatcher, whispering frantically.

"I said, 'What am I supposed to do? I hear them coming up the stairs!'" she told Reuters. Bertalan tried to coo her crying child into silence and armed herself with a pair of rusty scissors.

Police arrived just as the burglars - who had been trying to disconnect the couple's television - fled out a back door. Shellie Zimmerman saw a black male teen running through her backyard and reported it to police.

After police left Bertalan, George Zimmerman arrived at the front door in a shirt and tie, she said. He gave her his contact numbers on an index card and invited her to visit his wife if she ever felt unsafe. He returned later and gave her a stronger lock to bolster the sliding door that had been forced open.

"He was so mellow and calm, very helpful and very, very sweet," she said last week. "We didn't really know George at first, but after the break-in we talked to him on a daily basis. People were freaked out. It wasn't just George calling police ... we were calling police at least once a week."

In September, a group of neighbors including Zimmerman approached the homeowners association with their concerns, she said. Zimmerman was asked to head up a new neighborhood watch. He agreed.

"PLEASE CONTACT OUR CAPTAIN"

Police had advised Bertalan to get a dog. She and her husband decided to move out instead, and left two days before the shooting. Zimmerman took the advice.

"He'd already had a mutt that he walked around the neighborhood every night - man, he loved that dog - but after that home invasion he also got a Rottweiler," said Jorge Rodriguez, a friend and neighbor of the Zimmermans.

Around the same time, Zimmerman also gave Rodriguez and his wife, Audria, his contact information, so they could reach him day or night. Rodriguez showed the index card to Reuters. In neat cursive was a list of George and Shellie's home number and cell phones, as well as their emails.

Less than two weeks later, another Twin Lakes home was burglarized, police reports show. Two weeks after that, a home under construction was vandalized.

The Retreat at Twin Lakes e-newsletter for February 2012 noted: "The Sanford PD has announced an increased patrol within our neighborhood ... during peak crime hours.

"If you've been a victim of a crime in the community, after calling police, please contact our captain, George Zimmerman."

EMMANUEL BURGESS - SETTING THE STAGE

On February 2, 2012, Zimmerman placed a call to Sanford police after spotting a young black man he recognized peering into the windows of a neighbor's empty home, according to several friends and neighbors.

"I don't know what he's doing. I don't want to approach him, personally," Zimmerman said in the call, which was recorded. The dispatcher advised him that a patrol car was on the way. By the time police arrived, according to the dispatch report, the suspect had fled.

On February 6, the home of another Twin Lakes resident, Tatiana Demeacis, was burglarized. Two roofers working directly across the street said they saw two African-American men lingering in the yard at the time of the break-in. A new laptop and some gold jewelry were stolen. One of the roofers called police the next day after spotting one of the suspects among a group of male teenagers, three black and one white, on bicycles.

Police found Demeacis's laptop in the backpack of 18-year-old Emmanuel Burgess, police reports show, and charged him with dealing in stolen property. Burgess was the same man Zimmerman had spotted on February 2.

Burgess had committed a series of burglaries on the other side of town in 2008 and 2009, pleaded guilty to several, and spent all of 2010 incarcerated in a juvenile facility, his attorney said. He is now in jail on parole violations.

Three days after Burgess was arrested, Zimmerman's grandmother was hospitalized for an infection, and the following week his father was also admitted for a heart condition. Zimmerman spent a number of those nights on a hospital room couch.

Ten days after his father was hospitalized, Zimmerman noticed another young man in the neighborhood, acting in a way he found familiar, so he made another call to police.

"We've had some break-ins in my neighborhood, and there's a real suspicious guy," Zimmerman said, as Trayvon Martin returned home from the store.

The last time Zimmerman had called police, to report Burgess, he followed protocol and waited for police to arrive. They were too late, and Burgess got away.

Good informative article, except for this part:

On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense.

The line should read: On February 26, George Zimmerman shot and killed Trayvon Martin in what Zimmerman says was self-defense.

[Lootifer]

Ah, while I agree budub, by doing that you are, in some sense, restricting your 'merican freedoms.

[BigBallinStalin]

My third point is the main reason he will go to trial. That's not appropriate self defense. If he didn't actually follow Martin, or can otherwise refute the way the recording sounds, I think he'll get off. But please stop kidding everyone that it's "dubious." It sounds bad, and Zimmerman's lawyers have their work cut out for them trying to change perspectives on that.

It sounds like "fucking cold" according to the second link, after this sound engineer clarified it:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167549&start=780#p3707571

I was actually referencing the bit about following Martin. When the operator asked if Zimmerman was following him, he said "yeah." Sorry for any confusion. I've mentioned I don't think Zimmerman was out, er, vermin-hunting. Also, it's bizarre to me that anyone still uses that particular slur. It's the twentyfirstmotherfuckincentury.

Oh, well, I guess you're spot-on. Congratulations, sir, for being fantastic.

[bedub1]

Ah, while I agree budub, by doing that you are, in some sense, restricting your 'merican freedoms.

I wouldn't force anybody to make those changes, but I think they are changes in the correct direction.

[Phatscotty]

You have to ignore a lot to make that post, but that is not a surprise. If you want to point out people for using words like "the blacks" then you keep my name out of it because I never said such a thing. Get your blame straight. Sure, I have been all about the media. Is there 1 freakin person here who thinks this isn't a media created frenzy That thinks the media acted responsibly? Why you stickin up for the media?

This isn't about me or Nightstrike or anyone else, who is just making observations and noting all the lies that have been told. The media made it racial. Is that really something our society should ignore?

The only thing that was racially motivated was the media's handling of the case over the first 30 days. Of course, if you initiate racial motivation, and point certain races out, you are going to get a response. Looking at the response only is excusing the instigators. But I already knew you would do that so no surprise there.

A response does not justify the initiation. A response is legitimate.

What people care about is the right to defend themselves.
I and many others have said, if he is guilty, lock his ass up. It looks like he was defending himself, as well as a few pieces of evidence that looks like he was in the wrong in a few ways before the scuffle ensued.

You want to call me overzealous for showing a picture that "trayvon-supporters" have long denied existed? What you really want is to attack me for proving those people wrong by showing the bloody head picture, which somehow makes me a supporter of Zimmerman.



As for all your racist bullshit, why don't you look at your own childish race posts, that were reported as racist.

If you want to look away or ignore who it is that is blowing this out of proportion, go ahead. I am not surprised by that either. You can sit there and pretend that racial slurs were not imagined on the airwaves for months, and the word "C%&n" was not played over and over and over and over again, and that certain leaders weren't threatening "escalation", ceartin "bounties" were not placed, and certain people were not tweeting addresses, and certain presidents were not making comments about how Trayvon "looks" rather than calling for calm, or that certain leaders were not calling for a race war, or that certain congresswomen were not telling lies to the congressional records, or that certain NBA teams are not participating with adding fuel to the fire, or that certain media pawns have not been spun and are still waiting for gravity to take over. You can sit there and pretend that hate crimes are not being committed in the name of Trayvon, and that people aren't laying in the hospital right now for being the wrong color, and solely racially motivated by the media from the start.

This isn't overboard.....if you ignore it......

[Phatscotty]

My third point is the main reason he will go to trial. That's not appropriate self defense. If he didn't actually follow Martin, or can otherwise refute the way the recording sounds, I think he'll get off. But please stop kidding everyone that it's "dubious." It sounds bad, and Zimmerman's lawyers have their work cut out for them trying to change perspectives on that.

It sounds like "fucking cold" according to the second link, after this sound engineer clarified it:

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=167549&start=780#p3707571

I was actually referencing the bit about following Martin. When the operator asked if Zimmerman was following him, he said "yeah." Sorry for any confusion. I've mentioned I don't think Zimmerman was out, er, vermin-hunting. Also, it's bizarre to me that anyone still uses that particular slur. It's the twentyfirstmotherfuckincentury.

Classic pawn response. You still refer to the edited 911 tape? silly.....

Then.....as Neo would love to ignore, the operator said "We don't need to you do that sir"
And Zimmerman said "OKAY"

There was no F'n slur! for the last time!

[oVo]

George Zimmerman should have bought the pepper spray and maybe a taser. My earlier post referred to the possible bias of Zimmerman being not racially motivated, but about the potential of burglars being black in that neighborhood.

Another thing, as a neighborhood watch person he should not have been "on patrol" alone. Anyone who has experienced a burglary will not have any sympathy for these criminals. Likewise, the black community in general is not being "overly sensitive" when they hear news of a black teenager being shot and killed. There is already an unsavory history of unaccountability there that nobody wants to see continue. It is the news media's responsibility to determine the facts and report them impartially and without malice, and I'm not convinced they accomplished this. The "sensationalized" aspects of this tragic incident are largely their fault. Far too much was implied in news reports with what seems to be minimal research into the facts... just to catch up and get the story out.

The first article I read on this shooting came out of the UK... not Florida.