Conquer Club

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:47 pm**

President Obama has started dissolution of the US Constitution. He has started his Coup d'é tat of the legislative branch of the US government by attempting to pass laws, which he is prohibited from doing under the separation of powers. He is in control of the Executive Branch of the US Government, and does not have the power to pass laws. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress.

Gay visitation order shows how Obama brings big change with small actions
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

The people he has surrounded himself with are intentionally attempting to bypass the laws of the US.
"Soon after Obama's election, staffers from the Human Rights Campaign presented the transition team with a list of 70 actions the president could take without congressional approval. "

He is intentionally seeking to bypass Congress and pass actions in an attempt to seize power and elevate his status of god. Given his delusions of grander, he probably believes he is acting rightfully and correctly.

The fall of this country has been going on for a long time with judges (part of the judicial branch) legislating from the bench and in essence passing laws. Now the Executive Branch is doing the same.

It is time each branch of the government kept to itself and performed it's own duties, not the duties of the other branches.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I think anybody should be allowed to have whoever they want visit them in the hospital. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It's just that I was the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH to do this as they are supposed to, not the Executive Branch.

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:24 pm**

bedub1 wrote:President Obama has started dissolution of the US Constitution. He has started his Coup d'é tat of the legislative branch of the US government by attempting to pass laws, which he is prohibited from doing under the separation of powers. He is in control of the Executive Branch of the US Government, and does not have the power to pass laws. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress.

Gay visitation order shows how Obama brings big change with small actions
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

The people he has surrounded himself with are intentionally attempting to bypass the laws of the US.
"Soon after Obama's election, staffers from the Human Rights Campaign presented the transition team with a list of 70 actions the president could take without congressional approval. "

He is intentionally seeking to bypass Congress and pass actions in an attempt to seize power and elevate his status of god. Given his delusions of grander, he probably believes he is acting rightfully and correctly.

The fall of this country has been going on for a long time with judges (part of the judicial branch) legislating from the bench and in essence passing laws. Now the Executive Branch is doing the same.

It is time each branch of the government kept to itself and performed it's own duties, not the duties of the other branches.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I think anybody should be allowed to have whoever they want visit them in the hospital. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It's just that I was the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH to do this as they are supposed to, not the Executive Branch.

i totally read this thing i just quoted

totally

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:27 pm**

There is nothing unconstitutional or illegal about this particular action. This is being implemented the same way that all laws of this type are implemented; there's no legal mandate to allow gay couples visitation rights, but hospitals will lose federal funding if they do not comply. Many major social changes were effected this way; for example, the across-the-board adoption of a minimum drinking age of 21. Another example is No Child Left Behind; there is no law which requires schools to change standards, it simply says that schools will lose federal funding if they do not comply. If you would like to argue that this is not in the spirit of the Constitution, that is one thing; but this is very clearly not a legislative action, it is simply discretionary spending of the budget by the President, which he is clearly allowed to do.

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:31 pm**

What is your point? Are you for against what, homosexuality? I think compassion and justice should be the criteria for all judgement.

I have to ask, why Corky in your avatar? The humor I get but since I have a brother who is intellectually challenged I find it in poor taste.

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:44 pm**

Uncle Death wrote:What is your point? Are you for against what, homosexuality? I think compassion and justice should be the criteria for all judgement.

I have to ask, why Corky in your avatar? The humor I get but since I have a brother who is intellectually challenged I find it in poor taste.

My point is the Legislative Branch should create laws, the Judicial Branch should interpret them, and the Executive Branch should execute them. Only the Legislative Branch should be creating them.

I don't care what people's sexuality is. It's none of my damn business. People say I'm for gay rights, I say I'm not against gay rights, I recognize that I don't have the authority to tell them what they can or can't do.

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:02 pm**

you guys all fear a black man in charge

get over it..we all know the tea (republican) party is 87%white and all racist......

Posted: **Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:25 pm**

karel wrote:you guys all fear a white man in charge get over it..we all know the democratic party is 87%black and all racist......

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:22 am**

Karel tends to play the role of "fucking retard" quite well.

Wouldn't you agree?

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:37 am**

Timminz wrote:Karel tends to play the role of "fucking retard" quite well.

Wouldn't you agree?

I disagree. I try to never attack people personally, only their ideas. I believe his ideas are very flawed, but I know nothing of him as a person to go around calling him names.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:42 am**

bedub1 wrote:
Timminz wrote:Karel tends to play the role of "fucking retard" quite well.

Wouldn't you agree?

I disagree. I try to never attack people personally, only their ideas. I believe his ideas are very flawed, but I know nothing of him as a person to go around calling him names.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:46 am**

the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 5:41 am**

Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:00 am**

bedub1 wrote:President Obama has started dissolution of the US Constitution. He has started his Coup d'é tat of the legislative branch of the US government by attempting to pass laws, which he is prohibited from doing under the separation of powers. He is in control of the Executive Branch of the US Government, and does not have the power to pass laws. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress.

Gay visitation order shows how Obama brings big change with small actions
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... id=topnews

The people he has surrounded himself with are intentionally attempting to bypass the laws of the US.
"Soon after Obama's election, staffers from the Human Rights Campaign presented the transition team with a list of 70 actions the president could take without congressional approval. "

He is intentionally seeking to bypass Congress and pass actions in an attempt to seize power and elevate his status of god. Given his delusions of grander, he probably believes he is acting rightfully and correctly.

The fall of this country has been going on for a long time with judges (part of the judicial branch) legislating from the bench and in essence passing laws. Now the Executive Branch is doing the same.

It is time each branch of the government kept to itself and performed it's own duties, not the duties of the other branches.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I think anybody should be allowed to have whoever they want visit them in the hospital. Your sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It's just that I was the LEGISLATIVE BRANCH to do this as they are supposed to, not the Executive Branch.

Hmm.. came in here thinking you were referring to justice nominations or some such. This ruling doesn't even come close to "disbanding the constitution".

If this were a law requiring hospitals to do this, you would be correct. Instead, it is a ruling that says "if you want to recieve Medicare funding, you must..". This is within the previously recognized limits of the executive branch. The same type of guideline was made regarding segregation of hospitals, etc.

Really, pulling at such straws detracts from any real arguments you might have.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:00 pm**

by karel » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:02 pm

you guys all fear a black man in charge get over it..we all know the tea (republican) party is 87%white and all racist......

by bedub1 » Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:25 pm

karel wrote:
you guys all fear a white man in charge get over it..we all know the democratic party is 87%black and all racist......

lol I suppose the Bible has a few word changes in the course of history.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:13 pm**

stahrgazer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

Conservative =/= Republican.
Independents can be Conservative

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:25 pm**

I think it's funny how all of these Conservative douche bags are carrying on about how the legislative branch should be in charge of everything, not the Executive, but when their butt buddy Cheney and Rumsfeld were in power, all we heard about was how ineffective the Legislative branch was.

Jokes on you jackasses, you all supported giving great, broad powers to the Executive branch during the last administration and are shocked that now it's not being given completely back?

I was saying this from the beginning of the last Presidential campaign.

I don't know why I even read this threads or post in them. It just gives me brain damage.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:55 pm**

Night Strike wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

Conservative =/= Republican.
Independents can be Conservative

Just as there are liberal Republicans who eventually show their true colors. Like that Dede Scozzafava chick from New York last year.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 12:59 pm**

stahrgazer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

As a non-US citizen but American resident and interested observer in American politics I felt compelled to note a point of clarification in the extremely condescending and lecture-style fashion that is my hallmark. There is no such thing as a "spokeswoman for the teaparty" [sic] or for the "tea part" [sic].

The "Tea Party" started with the Libertarian Party of Illinois in 2009 and was picked-up by Ron Paul supporters, parts of which were eventually co-opted by the Republican Party. As such it consists of a hydra of heads, most prominently:

1- Campaign for Liberty - the post-election anti-Fed/anti-fiat money/pro-3rd party group founded and controlled by Ron Paul and volunteers and supporters from his '08 presidential campaign /// ambivalent to 4, likes 3, dislikes 2 and 5

2- Tea Party Express - a Republican Party traveling tour/marketing campaign founded and controlled by the Republican National Committee /// likes 3 and 4 and 5, dislikes 1

3 - Tea Party Patriots - a grassroots umbrella of local groups at varying levels of organizational acumen and formed by a disparate hodge-podge of independents and current or former Libertarian Party, New York Independence Party, Minnesota Independence Party and Constitution Party members /// ambivalent to 4, dislikes 2 and 5, likes 1

4- National Tea Party Federation - a less-grassroots/more centrally controlled umbrella of local groups at varying levels of organizational acumen and formed primarily by non-evangelical Republicans /// ambivalent to 1 and 3, likes 2 and 5

5- Tea Party Nation - a web/social-networking initiative controlled by a collections attorney in Tennessee /// ambivalent to 1, 2, 3, 4

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 1:06 pm**

I would also like to note that one cannot "disband" a constitution. The verb disband most appropriately refers to an organization; a constitution is a set of conventions or rules. It can be suspended, repealed, held in abeyance or ignored but it can't be disbanded as the function of that word is most understood in common parlance.

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:21 pm**

Barak Obama -

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about what the procedural rules are.

Right in line with the topic at hand....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enGS4sk6YKY

Posted: **Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:24 pm**

stahrgazer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

Well, I am an independent that actually votes third party, unlike most chicken shit independents who cave under that last minute mind control commercials the day before the election. Another thing, the tea party spokeswoman probably did not say that (feel free to bring a source with you) and even if she did, I have never heard of her nor does she speak for me, nor does she speak for anyone but herself and "her" part of the tea party, of which there are 100's of different organizations...

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:47 pm**

Night Strike wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

Conservative =/= Republican.
Independents can be Conservative

So can Democrats, for that matter.

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:50 pm**

saxitoxin wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

As a non-US citizen but American resident and interested observer in American politics I felt compelled to note a point of clarification in the extremely condescending and lecture-style fashion that is my hallmark. There is no such thing as a "spokeswoman for the teaparty" [sic] or for the "tea part" [sic].

The "Tea Party" started with the Libertarian Party of Illinois in 2009 and was picked-up by Ron Paul supporters, parts of which were eventually co-opted by the Republican Party. As such it consists of a hydra of heads, most prominently:

1- Campaign for Liberty - the post-election anti-Fed/anti-fiat money/pro-3rd party group founded and controlled by Ron Paul and volunteers and supporters from his '08 presidential campaign /// ambivalent to 4, likes 3, dislikes 2 and 5

2- Tea Party Express - a Republican Party traveling tour/marketing campaign founded and controlled by the Republican National Committee /// likes 3 and 4 and 5, dislikes 1

3 - Tea Party Patriots - a grassroots umbrella of local groups at varying levels of organizational acumen and formed by a disparate hodge-podge of independents and current or former Libertarian Party, New York Independence Party, Minnesota Independence Party and Constitution Party members /// ambivalent to 4, dislikes 2 and 5, likes 1

4- National Tea Party Federation - a less-grassroots/more centrally controlled umbrella of local groups at varying levels of organizational acumen and formed primarily by non-evangelical Republicans /// ambivalent to 1 and 3, likes 2 and 5

5- Tea Party Nation - a web/social-networking initiative controlled by a collections attorney in Tennessee /// ambivalent to 1, 2, 3, 4

Sax is cool

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:56 pm**

You all say he has done nothing...well he only passed health care and other good bills...better then what them old fucks from the republican party has done...(nothing)...

But you all are just pissed off cuz a black man is in charge and your all scared...get the f*ck over it,and if you think the tea party is going to save you think again,just a bunch of racist fucks anyways

Posted: **Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:59 pm**

PLAYER57832 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
stahrgazer wrote:
Phatscotty wrote:the tea party is only the tea party because of the independents. Obama had em, he lost em, and quickly I might add....

Interesting comment, considering a spokeswoman for the teaparty claimed, on Party Day, that the tea part is all Conservatives.

Conservative =/= Republican.
Independents can be Conservative

So can Democrats, for that matter.

Not the ones currently in Congress........that was proven with the health care votes.

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