Conquer Club

ViperOverLord wrote:Free market capitalism would not be as inhibited. Unemployment would probably be under 6.5 percent. The media would be doing their daily death counts for Aghanistan. The Democrats would be looking at gaining seats in The House, Senate and possibly the governorships. Sarah Palin would have taken her place as the next Dan Quayle, sufficiently smashed by the media and unable to run for the presidency. Barrack Obama would still be everyone's hero and he and the Clintons would be looking for ways to subtly denigrate each other as they prepare for runs in 2012. The liberal media would be going on about how a decade of Bush style politics are screwing us over. There would still be a budget deficit, but nowhere near what is now. Health care cost would not have went up 20 percent and we would have tort reform instead of socialized health care, excuse me 'the public option.' Bureaucracy and socialism would not be as rampant. Liberals would be feel like victims still. They would be calling blood for oil and the whole 9 yards and screaming more about corporatism run a muck.

ViperOverLord wrote:Free market capitalism would not be as inhibited. Unemployment would probably be under 6.5 percent. The media would be doing their daily death counts for Aghanistan. The Democrats would be looking at gaining seats in The House, Senate and possibly the governorships. Sarah Palin would have taken her place as the next Dan Quayle, sufficiently smashed by the media and unable to run for the presidency. Barrack Obama would still be everyone's hero and he and the Clintons would be looking for ways to subtly denigrate each other as they prepare for runs in 2012. The liberal media would be going on about how a decade of Bush style politics are screwing us over. There would still be a budget deficit, but nowhere near what is now. Health care cost would not have went up 20 percent and we would have tort reform instead of socialized health care, excuse me 'the public option.' Bureaucracy and socialism would not be as rampant. Liberals would be feel like victims still. They would be calling blood for oil and the whole 9 yards and screaming more about corporatism run a muck.

Victor Sullivan wrote:John McCain really needs to run in the 2012 election. I thought he got a bad rap, simply for being the same political party as Bush. He's pretty middle-of-the-road Republican and I think he would've gotten a lot more done than Obama has and he DEFINITELY wouldn't have supported that damned health care bill.

Victor Sullivan wrote:John McCain really needs to run in the 2012 election. I thought he got a bad rap, simply for being the same political party as Bush. He's pretty middle-of-the-road Republican and I think he would've gotten a lot more done than Obama has and he DEFINITELY wouldn't have supported that damned health care bill.

ViperOverLord wrote:

Victor Sullivan wrote:John McCain really needs to run in the 2012 election. I thought he got a bad rap, simply for being the same political party as Bush. He's pretty middle-of-the-road Republican and I think he would've gotten a lot more done than Obama has and he DEFINITELY wouldn't have supported that damned health care bill.

The deck was stacked against him. The economy was bad and Bush approval polls were bad and he was painted as GWB III. He also had to deal with an electorate that wanted to vote for a guy simply because he was a black rock star making history while singing hope and change while the media produced the vids for him. Their records didn't mean shiz in that election. McCain had no chance. All of that said, I'm not rooting for McCain to run again.

oVo wrote:Uninhibited free market capitalism, is that where bailed out banks would be lending money now? Unemployment under 6.5%... because McCain would hire any of the unemployed who can't find work in the fast food industry at minimum wage out of his own retirement fund? Corporatism run amok is ongoing and both parties problem... actually not a problem at all as both parties seem to receive generous benefits from it. Beaurocracy grew pretty fucking big during Bush's eight years and you expect John to reel it in? I don't think so, but I'm sure McCain would have found a way to end record foreclosures and allow people to keep their homes without government intervention.

John in 2012? Nah... Do you remember his response to the global financial crisis during the presidential campaign. He's still toast.

The Dems are being outspent by a ridiculous margin heading into the November elections and I'm sure there's no corporate cronyism at work there. Gee, think any politician will ever actually push for legitimate campaign reform and how many millions will the next presidential campaign cost? Be honest, it doesn't really matter anymore does it, because corporate America is the real winner regardless of which party is "in control."

oVo wrote:Uninhibited free market capitalism, is that where bailed out banks would be lending money now? Unemployment under 6.5%... because McCain would hire any of the unemployed who can't find work in the fast food industry at minimum wage out of his own retirement fund? Corporatism run amok is ongoing and both parties problem... actually not a problem at all as both parties seem to receive generous benefits from it. Beaurocracy grew pretty fucking big during Bush's eight years and you expect John to reel it in? I don't think so, but I'm sure McCain would have found a way to end record foreclosures and allow people to keep their homes without government intervention.

John in 2012? Nah... Do you remember his response to the global financial crisis during the presidential campaign. He's still toast.

The Dems are being outspent by a ridiculous margin heading into the November elections and I'm sure there's no corporate cronyism at work there. Gee, think any politician will ever actually push for legitimate campaign reform and how many millions will the next presidential campaign cost? Be honest, it doesn't really matter anymore does it, because corporate America is the real winner regardless of which party is "in control."

Woodruff wrote:I think his age would be his largest handicap (particularly depending on who his running mate was, but even if it was a good option). You're right that he definitely paid for Bush...no question about that.

Night Strike wrote:

Woodruff wrote:I think his age would be his largest handicap (particularly depending on who his running mate was, but even if it was a good option). You're right that he definitely paid for Bush...no question about that.

Speaking of that, shouldn't he be dead by now? I know that was one of the arguments against voting for him since Palin would then become president.

oVo wrote:The bailout occurred with Bush in office and this is about John McCain... not Obama. So the financial crunch... John did pause his campaign and go back to Washington where he rolled up his sleeves and discovered he had nothing to offer beyond his embarrassment that all those years in office he didn't see it coming. Hard to imagine a bunch of greedy investment banker types would abuse the system for profits beyond anyone's belief without government regulations over transactions. Doh! Um... not to get away from the subject... but recent history gave us a Dick Cheney who's corporate strings are barely transparent... who would say WTF? EVERYBODY WINS! (except the Yankees eh?) and corporatism won't be reigned in during our lifetime. It is what it is... quid pro quo and IT is here to stay, because it is now business as usual.

Incandenza wrote:

ViperOverLord wrote:Free market capitalism would not be as inhibited. Unemployment would probably be under 6.5 percent. The media would be doing their daily death counts for Aghanistan. The Democrats would be looking at gaining seats in The House, Senate and possibly the governorships. Sarah Palin would have taken her place as the next Dan Quayle, sufficiently smashed by the media and unable to run for the presidency. Barrack Obama would still be everyone's hero and he and the Clintons would be looking for ways to subtly denigrate each other as they prepare for runs in 2012. The liberal media would be going on about how a decade of Bush style politics are screwing us over. There would still be a budget deficit, but nowhere near what is now. Health care cost would not have went up 20 percent and we would have tort reform instead of socialized health care, excuse me 'the public option.' Bureaucracy and socialism would not be as rampant. Liberals would be feel like victims still. They would be calling blood for oil and the whole 9 yards and screaming more about corporatism run a muck.

oVo wrote:John in 2012? Nah... Do you remember his response to the global financial crisis during the presidential campaign. He's still toast.

CreepersWiener wrote:And what if President John McCain died?

Night Strike wrote:

Woodruff wrote:I think his age would be his largest handicap (particularly depending on who his running mate was, but even if it was a good option). You're right that he definitely paid for Bush...no question about that.

Speaking of that, shouldn't he be dead by now? I know that was one of the arguments against voting for him since Palin would then become president.

GabonX wrote:God forbid a Senator would want to suspend a political campaign
to address a national crisis.

oVo wrote:

GabonX wrote:God forbid a Senator would want to suspend a political campaign
to address a national crisis.

The thing at the time was that his staff went to great lengths to promote this fact.
Unfortunately for McCain it only showed how ineffectual he was to the process
of resolving this calamity and instead publicized the fact he had no solution.

I'm feeling much better today, now that airlines are publishing their 3rd quarter profits
of hundreds of millions of dollars. We can all feel secure in the knowledge that the
economy has begun turning around.