Conquer Club

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q7mvc6bsY

The whole "Penn State" thing is completely overshadowing this. Even though he was retired well before I was born, his cultural impact is not lost.

I'm completely surprised there aren't any threads on this already.

Army of GOD wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q7mvc6bsY

The whole "Penn State" thing is completely overshadowing this. Even though he was retired well before I was born, his cultural impact is not lost.

I'm completely surprised there aren't any threads on this already.

It would've been interesting to see and follow Boxing in its hey-day indeed, but I enjoyed listening to some older reporters and analysts on ESPN (such as PTI) wax about it and get their perspectives.


--Andy

I can remember that bout. I am not into boxing, but my grandfather was and the hoopla was hard to avoid, given there were only 3 networks most people got at the time (4 iwth PBS) and that most people still read the local newspaper.

I never had a lot of respect for Frazier, simply because of all the back and forth dissing. By today's standards it would be pretty tame, but back then... However, I understand he did some good things later in life.

anyway, may he rest in peace.

/salute Legend

AndyDufresne wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q7mvc6bsY

The whole "Penn State" thing is completely overshadowing this. Even though he was retired well before I was born, his cultural impact is not lost.

I'm completely surprised there aren't any threads on this already.

It would've been interesting to see and follow Boxing in its hey-day indeed, but I enjoyed listening to some older reporters and analysts on ESPN (such as PTI) wax about it and get their perspectives.


--Andy

I honestly wish boxing was as dramatic now as it was then. The only fight worth seeing now is Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, but Mayweather is too much of a bitch.

Army of GOD wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q7mvc6bsY

The whole "Penn State" thing is completely overshadowing this. Even though he was retired well before I was born, his cultural impact is not lost.

I'm completely surprised there aren't any threads on this already.

It would've been interesting to see and follow Boxing in its hey-day indeed, but I enjoyed listening to some older reporters and analysts on ESPN (such as PTI) wax about it and get their perspectives.


--Andy

I honestly wish boxing was as dramatic now as it was then. The only fight worth seeing now is Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, but Mayweather is too much of a bitch.

How so, troll-boy?

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

AndyDufresne wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9q7mvc6bsY

The whole "Penn State" thing is completely overshadowing this. Even though he was retired well before I was born, his cultural impact is not lost.

I'm completely surprised there aren't any threads on this already.

It would've been interesting to see and follow Boxing in its hey-day indeed, but I enjoyed listening to some older reporters and analysts on ESPN (such as PTI) wax about it and get their perspectives.


--Andy

I honestly wish boxing was as dramatic now as it was then. The only fight worth seeing now is Pacquiao vs. Mayweather, but Mayweather is too much of a bitch.

How so, troll-boy?

I think he means he could kick his ass anytime.

Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Army of GOD wrote:Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Mayweather doesn't give a f*ck about the sport, I think that's the main problem.

Lootifer wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Mayweather doesn't give a f*ck about the sport, I think that's the main problem.

Completely true. I wish we had a current day Ali who would rip the absolute f*ck out of Mayweather.

Don't go too far, Chavez in his prime would've beaten Mayweather.

Army of GOD wrote:Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Well can you blame him? Pacquiao is a fucking animal.

-TG

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Well can you blame him? Pacquiao is a fucking animal.

-TG

And Mayweather is getting slower and weaker.

What's with this "being a bitch" = making rational decisions? I guess Mayweather is a "smart bitch," and we may as well praise idiots for acting irrationally...

BigBallinStalin wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Well can you blame him? Pacquiao is a fucking animal.

-TG

And Mayweather is getting slower and weaker.

What's with this "being a bitch" = making rational decisions? I guess Mayweather is a "smart bitch," and we may as well praise idiots for acting irrationally...

How is not fighting Pacquiao rational? He has probably lost more money/fans/support not fighting Pacquiao than the pain/injury costs if he did.

You're going to have to show why not fighting Pacquiao is rational.

Army of GOD wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Well can you blame him? Pacquiao is a fucking animal.

-TG

And Mayweather is getting slower and weaker.

What's with this "being a bitch" = making rational decisions? I guess Mayweather is a "smart bitch," and we may as well praise idiots for acting irrationally...

How is not fighting Pacquiao rational? He has probably lost more money/fans/support not fighting Pacquiao than the pain/injury costs if he did.

You're going to have to show why not fighting Pacquiao is rational.

The first part you just assumed. We have no knowledge of the actual marketing information. For all we know, the potential purse could increase or decrease.

It's not just loss of fans/support/money v. pain/injury costs. Uncertainty and risk are involved. Perhaps, Mayweather perceives that the risk of losing isn't worth the loss in prestige--being undefeated and all, he may as well retire on top. Maybe, Mayweather is tired of fighting; perhaps he values other opportunities more than fighting Pacquiao or anyone else; therefore, his opportunity costs are greater relative to fighting Pacquiao.

We may have a general idea of Mayweather's actual preferences, opportunity costs, perceived risk and uncertainty, but we should acknowledge that we really don't have the actual knowledge of those factors. The above illustrates that Mayweather's aversion to a fight with Pacquiao is a rational decision.

For example, remember that time when Mayweather challenged the UFC? We could state that his claim was irrational; however, to Mayweather it wasn't irrational because at that time he was overestimating his capabilities--unbeknownst to him. Later, he realized his mistake, and his rationale would then align with the outside observers.' However, we could make a good case that it would be irrational for Mayweather to later challenge the UFC again after receiving information from his coach and advisors about the problems in doing so.

It would be irrational for Mayweather to challenge the current heavyweight champion, but would it be reasonable for an outside observer to call him a bitch for not doing so?

Army of GOD wrote:I honestly wish boxing was as dramatic now as it was then.

Why is it less dramatic now? Is it the fighting that's less dramatic or is it just a byproduct of the times we live in? We've too much we can do, too many flavours, and too little waiting.

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:

BigBallinStalin wrote:

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:Mayweather is hiding behind excuses like a "drug test", which Pacquiao is willing to take, because he doesn't want his record tarnished. He's a bitch.

Well can you blame him? Pacquiao is a fucking animal.

-TG

And Mayweather is getting slower and weaker.

What's with this "being a bitch" = making rational decisions? I guess Mayweather is a "smart bitch," and we may as well praise idiots for acting irrationally...

How is not fighting Pacquiao rational? He has probably lost more money/fans/support not fighting Pacquiao than the pain/injury costs if he did.

You're going to have to show why not fighting Pacquiao is rational.

The first part you just assumed. We have no knowledge of the actual marketing information. For all we know, the potential purse could increase or decrease.

It's not just loss of fans/support/money v. pain/injury costs. Uncertainty and risk are involved. Perhaps, Mayweather perceives that the risk of losing isn't worth the loss in prestige--being undefeated and all, he may as well retire on top. Maybe, Mayweather is tired of fighting; perhaps he values other opportunities more than fighting Pacquiao or anyone else; therefore, his opportunity costs are greater relative to fighting Pacquiao.

We may have a general idea of Mayweather's actual preferences, opportunity costs, perceived risk and uncertainty, but we should acknowledge that we really don't have the actual knowledge of those factors. The above illustrates that Mayweather's aversion to a fight with Pacquiao is a rational decision.

For example, remember that time when Mayweather challenged the UFC? We could state that his claim was irrational; however, to Mayweather it wasn't irrational because at that time he was overestimating his capabilities--unbeknownst to him. Later, he realized his mistake, and his rationale would then align with the outside observers.' However, we could make a good case that it would be irrational for Mayweather to later challenge the UFC again after receiving information from his coach and advisors about the problems in doing so.

It would be irrational for Mayweather to challenge the current heavyweight champion, but would it be reasonable for an outside observer to call him a bitch for not doing so?

Yes, it is reasonable for us to call him a bitch. His prestige wouldn't exist if it weren't for the consumer, so we can call him whatever the tits we want.

You're free to call almost anybody anything, but your reasons aren't good enough. You're not representative of the majority of his consumers, nor are consumers the only factor of his prestige. And your reasons don't account for the stupidity in fighting someone who is almost 2x Mayweather's weight class. So far, all you're carrying is an emotionally laden insult with poor reasons.

<shrugs>

BigBallinStalin wrote:You're free to call almost anybody anything, but your reasons aren't good enough. You're not representative of the majority of his consumers, nor are consumers the only factor of his prestige. And your reasons don't account for the stupidity in fighting someone who is almost 2x Mayweather's weight class. So far, all you're carrying is an emotionally laden insult with poor reasons.

<shrugs>

Haha...telling someone their reasons aren't good enough to insult someone...funny.

sqq ʎuunɟ os noʎ ɐɥɐɥ

I loved Frazier as a kid. Too bad one of his worst moments was linked

His fights with Ali were "truly epic" ( an overused phrase these days, that fit those bouts!)

RIP Smoking Joe!!!

Just to add to that Mayweather/Pacquiao thing, those that have supported Mayweather throughout the years think the same things about PacMan that are being brought about Mayweather. Is the drug testing REALLY that big of a deal that he can't just do it to get the fight? Just playing devil's advocate...

And I always liked Frazier more than Ali, as he was never given the same hype as Ali and other heavyweight champs but literally could hang with any of them for 12 rounds.

Army of GOD wrote:sqq ʎuunɟ os noʎ ɐɥɐɥ

lolololol!

<throws confetti>

If you don't thoroughly insult king achilles, Evil Semp, and lackattack, then you're a little bitch! lolololol! Don't use "rational decision-making" as a good reason not to do so!

BigBallinStalin wrote:

Army of GOD wrote:sqq ʎuunɟ os noʎ ɐɥɐɥ

lolololol!

<throws confetti>

If you don't thoroughly insult king achilles, Evil Semp, and lackattack, then you're a little bitch! lolololol! Don't use "rational decision-making" as a good reason not to do so!

Haha! These two scenarios aren't related in any way! lololololol!

Army of GOD wrote:sqq ʎuunɟ os noʎ ɐɥɐɥ

Magic!

Mommy, how does aog make the words be upsidedown?

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