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I Am Wavering In My Support For The War

Postby Caleb the Cruel on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:26 pm

Alright, here's my story...

Back in 2000, I was fairly liberal and was angry at Bush for 'stealing' the election from Al Gore. So I hated Bush from the get-go. In 2001, after the terrorist attacks, Bush's approval rating sky-rocketed into the 80-89% range while I blamed him for 'letting' 9/11 occur. In 2003, when we were preparing for the War in Iraq, I was against invasion. I felt that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and we were going there for 'hidden reasons'. However in 2005, I changed, I became 100% pro-Bush and pro-Iraq War. I realized that we should support the war and our president rather than tearing the nation to threads. I became that way also because he admitted we went in on faulty intel and pulling out without a stong democratic government would be a mistake. I supported his change in strategy that was done a few months ago. However in the recent weeks, my support has wavered. My brother is going to be recalled into the Marines this October, if not before, and will likely be sent to Iraq. For those of you un-familiar with miltary recall, it is where the miltary can force any person who was in the military back into the active service up to 4 years after they became civilians again. To me, this practice is just like the draft and should not be allowed. Also, I've given Bush's new strategy time to work, and it hasn't made any dramatic changes in Iraq. In my opinion we've been there long enough, it's time to force the Iraqi government to take charge, and it's time to start making plans for troop withdrawls today. Now you can call me a flip-flopper if you wish, I do not care, as it is true. :wink:
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Postby pancakemix on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:28 pm

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Postby unriggable on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:29 pm

Flip Flopper.

I was actually originally for the war, until I realized that we had no reason to be in there in the first place. No reason at all. "We need to protect our civil liberties!" Bullshit.
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Postby Guilty_Biscuit on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:32 pm

Don't worry about changing your mind, our opinions are based on how we interprit the information available to us at any given time and our emotions. The most intelligent people in the world will freely change their opinions based on new information.

This is why I dislike the term 'flip-flopping'. Any person who will never change their opinions based on new information is a fool. It should be the people that never flip-flop that are mocked.

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Postby jnd94 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:46 pm

well we wasted all of this time, money, and people to the war, might as well finish it off so that all of the soldiers dont die in vain.
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Re: I Am Wavering In My Support For The War

Postby millej11 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:48 pm

Caleb the Cruel wrote:Alright, here's my story...

Back in 2000, I was fairly liberal and was angry at Bush for 'stealing' the election from Al Gore. So I hated Bush from the get-go. In 2001, after the terrorist attacks, Bush's approval rating sky-rocketed into the 80-89% range while I blamed him for 'letting' 9/11 occur. In 2003, when we were preparing for the War in Iraq, I was against invasion. I felt that Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction and we were going there for 'hidden reasons'. However in 2005, I changed, I became 100% pro-Bush and pro-Iraq War. I realized that we should support the war and our president rather than tearing the nation to threads. I became that way also because he admitted we went in on faulty intel and pulling out without a stong democratic government would be a mistake. I supported his change in strategy that was done a few months ago.

=D> =D> =D>

Caleb the Cruel wrote:However in the recent weeks, my support has wavered. My brother is going to be recalled into the Marines this October, if not before, and will likely be sent to Iraq. For those of you un-familiar with miltary recall, it is where the miltary can force any person who was in the military back into the active service up to 4 years after they became civilians again. To me, this practice is just like the draft and should not be allowed. Also, I've given Bush's new strategy time to work, and it hasn't made any dramatic changes in Iraq. In my opinion we've been there long enough, it's time to force the Iraqi government to take charge, and it's time to start making plans for troop withdrawls today. Now you can call me a flip-flopper if you wish, I do not care, as it is true. :wink:

Best of luck with your bro.
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Re: I Am Wavering In My Support For The War

Postby Aimless on Wed Apr 25, 2007 5:56 pm

Caleb the Cruel wrote:Also, I've given Bush's new strategy time to work, and it hasn't made any dramatic changes in Iraq. In my opinion we've been there long enough, it's time to force the Iraqi government to take charge, and it's time to start making plans for troop withdrawls today.


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Postby Anarchist on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:12 pm

I knew wed go to war before Bush became president.

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Postby dcowboys055 on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:25 pm

Funny, i just finished writing a paper/speech on the pros and cons of leaving iraq for school.
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:38 pm

what position did you end up taking?
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Postby hecter on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:41 pm

got tonkaed wrote:what position did you end up taking?

I don't think he has decided yet.
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:42 pm

dcowboys055 wrote:Funny, i just finished writing a paper/speech on the pros and cons of leaving iraq for school.


empahsis mine....i would assume he has
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Postby hecter on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:45 pm

got tonkaed wrote:
dcowboys055 wrote:Funny, i just finished writing a paper/speech on the pros and cons of leaving iraq for school.


empahsis mine....i would assume he has

That's why you quote somebody when you are going off topic like that. Jeez :roll:
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Postby got tonkaed on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:46 pm

lol understandable, my bad
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Postby Aegnor on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:51 pm

jnd94 wrote:well we wasted all of this time, money, and people to the war, might as well finish it off so that all of the soldiers dont die in vain.


Well every death of a soldier is made in vain, as my signature suggests. Every conflict ends at one point, why can't the conclusions be reached without violence.
For instance, at ww2 did the Japanese HAD to be nuked in order to surrender, they didn't actually think they stood a chance?

Edit: it could be nice if every war was determined over a good game of risk between the nations' leaders instead of a needless bloodshed. :)
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Postby Aimless on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:55 pm

Aegnor wrote:why can't the conclusions be reached without violence.


Tell that to the other guys.

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Postby unriggable on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:56 pm

Aegnor wrote:
jnd94 wrote:well we wasted all of this time, money, and people to the war, might as well finish it off so that all of the soldiers dont die in vain.


Well every death of a soldier is made in vain, as my signature suggests. Every conflict ends at one point, why can't the conclusions be reached without violence.
For instance, at ww2 did the Japanese HAD to be nuked in order to surrender, they didn't actually think they stood a chance?

Edit: it could be nice if every war was determined over a good game of risk between the nations' leaders instead of a needless bloodshed. :)


Some tribes of native americans did war with lacrosse.
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Postby Aegnor on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:58 pm

Aimless wrote:
Aegnor wrote:why can't the conclusions be reached without violence.


Tell that to the other guys.

Peace takes two.


We try that, but they keep saying stuff like "It's not fair you can do whatever you want, but our spiritual leaders make us wear towels on our heads and forbid us from shaving. For that reason you must die!"

Sucks.
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Postby Aimless on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:58 pm

unriggable wrote:Some tribes of native americans did war with lacrosse.


And, as I recall, murdered the losers.
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Postby Aegnor on Wed Apr 25, 2007 6:59 pm

Aimless wrote:
unriggable wrote:Some tribes of native americans did war with lacrosse.


And, as I recall, murdered the losers.


At least it saved them all the logistic expanses.
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Postby unriggable on Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:00 pm

Aimless wrote:
unriggable wrote:Some tribes of native americans did war with lacrosse.


And, as I recall, murdered the losers.


Those are the aztecs. Get your natives right.

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Postby Aimless on Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:00 pm

Aegnor wrote:We try that, but they keep saying stuff like "It's not fair you can do whatever you want, but our spiritual leaders make us wear towels on our heads and forbid us from shaving. For that reason you must die!"

Sucks.


Damned right it sucks. But don't blame us for the war, then. We're not the ones who keep it going.
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Postby Aimless on Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:01 pm

unriggable wrote:
Aimless wrote:
unriggable wrote:Some tribes of native americans did war with lacrosse.


And, as I recall, murdered the losers.


Those are the aztecs. Get your natives right.

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Aztecs aren't Native Americans?

I'll remember that next time I visit Mexico. :)
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Postby unriggable on Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:01 pm

Aimless wrote:
Aegnor wrote:We try that, but they keep saying stuff like "It's not fair you can do whatever you want, but our spiritual leaders make us wear towels on our heads and forbid us from shaving. For that reason you must die!"

Sucks.


Damned right it sucks. But don't blame us for the war, then. We're not the ones who keep it going.


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Postby Aegnor on Wed Apr 25, 2007 7:02 pm

Aimless wrote:
Aegnor wrote:We try that, but they keep saying stuff like "It's not fair you can do whatever you want, but our spiritual leaders make us wear towels on our heads and forbid us from shaving. For that reason you must die!"

Sucks.


Damned right it sucks. But don't blame us for the war, then. We're not the ones who keep it going.


I don't blame you Aimless. I blame the rich people who thinks their penis is measured by their bank accounts and try to get richer on everyone's else expanse.
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