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Halliburton & Iran

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:12 pm
by Nola_Lifer
Halliburton charged with selling nuclear technology to Iran



Tsk tsk

Re: Halliburton & Iran

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 9:34 pm
by BigBallinStalin
The conversation in the video didn't mention nuclear technology or anything like that. Instead, it was a few politicians being annoyed that Haliburton was doing business in Iran as a foreign subsidiary.


Is Halliburton selling nuclear technology to Iran?
A brief google search of 'haliburton nuclear technology iran' yields no credible news sources on this allegation against Halliburton, but for the sake of argument, let's examine these news sources.

1.
CurrentTV claims that:

"President Gerald Ford signed a directive in 1976 offering Tehran the chance
to buy and operate a U.S.-built reprocessing facility for extracting plutonium
from nuclear reactor fuel. The deal was for a complete 'nuclear fuel
cycle'."[41] At the time, Richard Cheney was the White House Chief of
Staff, and Donald Rumsfeld was the Secretary of Defense.


The "41" refers to nothing on their site, so it's probably copy-pasta from wikipedia (awesome).

2.
Liveleak repeats the same, and mentions that wikipedia is the source.

3.
Marc S from dailypaul.com quotes a reddit posts which states, "They create a subsidiary set up in the cayman islands to funnel their profits from selling material that will kill Americans in Iran through Dubai."

4.
At reddit, a bunch of angry cyber entities were frustrated with Haliburton's selling weapons or bad materials to Iran through Haliburton's subsidiary in Dubai.



Conclusion
(1) I'm still not seeing any evidence of Haliburton selling nuclear technology to Iran. The proposal from the 1970s "offered a chance [for Iran to buy that stuff]." Wiki doesn't state if such a chance actualized.
(2) Furthermore, from about 1953 to 1978, the Shah of Iran was a friendly dictator of the US, so such plans should not be surprising nor 'wrong' since the US has explicitly enabled the sale of many weapons and economic goods to dictatorships for about a century.
(3) Finally, Iran at that time was not a 'terrorist state', which is the contention held by the politicians from the C-SPAN video. Iran of the 1970s does not fit that category; therefore, this 1970s nuclear directive signed by the President is irrelevant.

In conclusion, much of the anger directed toward Haliburton for setting up a subsidiary which is operating in Iran is misplaced because the source of much of that anger lies in the audience's ignorance. A story that occurred in the 1970s is now being used as fuel against Haliburton and Iran today. It doesn't follow.


Besides, if such materials were sold to Iran during the 1970s, and since the US government (President Gerald Ford) signed that directive, then why aren't people annoyed at the US government for the alleged nuclear technology transferal to Iran?


Why are people so easily misled?
It may be the case that many people see what they want to believe: 'the government is good, and those pesky corporations are evil.' Hopefully, people will realize that the government colludes regularly with particular corporations. In turn, such people will become less likely to believe the promises by politicians and will stop their far-reaching expectations of positive change through politicians and the status quo. Such expectations are completely misplaced but are nevertheless acted upon.

Re: Halliburton & Iran

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:19 pm
by notyou2
BBS are you Dick's and Donald's bitch?

Re: Halliburton & Iran

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:27 pm
by patches70
Oh yeah, we ( the US) sold nuclear materials to Iran, to the Shah to be exact. For nuclear power plants, not bombs. There is nothing illegal about Iran building nuclear power plants.
Here is something, a blast from the past-

Image

The Shah shilling for nuclear power. Nuclear Energy. Today's Answer. Heh heh.

I mean, someone had to build the plants, why not Haliburton? It was all totally legal.

What's the big deal?

Re: Halliburton & Iran

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:36 pm
by BigBallinStalin
notyou2 wrote:BBS are you Dick's and Donald's bitch?


Hey man, I don't take any fiction with my facts.

Re: Halliburton & Iran

PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:39 pm
by Metsfanmax
patches70 wrote:Oh yeah, we ( the US) sold nuclear materials to Iran, to the Shah to be exact. For nuclear power plants, not bombs. There is nothing illegal about Iran building nuclear power plants.
Here is something, a blast from the past-

Image

The Shah shilling for nuclear power. Nuclear Energy. Today's Answer. Heh heh.

I mean, someone had to build the plants, why not Haliburton? It was all totally legal.

What's the big deal?


Where'd you find that pic? It's awesome.

Re: Halliburton & Iran

PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:32 am
by patches70
Metsfanmax wrote:
patches70 wrote:Oh yeah, we ( the US) sold nuclear materials to Iran, to the Shah to be exact. For nuclear power plants, not bombs. There is nothing illegal about Iran building nuclear power plants.
Here is something, a blast from the past-

Image

The Shah shilling for nuclear power. Nuclear Energy. Today's Answer. Heh heh.

I mean, someone had to build the plants, why not Haliburton? It was all totally legal.

What's the big deal?


Where'd you find that pic? It's awesome.


Its an advertisement from back in the early 70's and appeared in numerous magazines. It's a shill for nuclear energy. Back in the days before three mile island. We gotta remember, the Shah of Iran was our guy. He was the "good guy".

Of course, he was a brutal dictator that was installed by the US and England after we helped remove a popular monarchy that was in control of Iran at the time because they wouldn't play ball with western oil companies. But we tend not to bring such things up these days, do we?
But at the time there was no controversy at the time. Like I said, the Shah was the "good guy".
That's why making some sort of deal about it today is lame. Just as it's lame trying to be so uptight about Iran having nuclear power. It's their right by international treaty, treaties the US are signatories of.

If you wish to know more about the ad itself, you need only type in "guess who's building nuclear power plants" into google and you'll learn all want about that particular ad.