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Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:41 pm
by Night Strike
In its latest annual report for fiscal year 2011 to 2012, Planned Parenthood reveals that it performed 333,964 abortions in 2011 – a record year for the organization.

According to annual reports, the organization performed 332,278 abortions in 2009, 329,445 in 2010, making the total number of abortions in three years to 995,687.

Planned Parenthood reported receiving a record $542 million in taxpayer funding, according to a Susan B. Anthony List analysis of the report, in the form of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements. The amount is 45 percent of Planned Parenthood’s annual revenue.

“While government subsidies to Planned Parenthood have reached an all time high, so too has the number of lives ended by this profit-driven abortion business,” SBA List’s President Marjorie Dannenfelser said in a statement. “Destroying nearly one million children in three years is not health care and does not reflect a concern for vulnerable women and girls.”

Contraceptive services at Planned Parenthood have dropped by 12 percent since 2009, and cancer screening & prevention services have dropped by 29 percent.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/planned-parenthood-reports-record-year-for-abortions/article/2517801#.UOtbone-bkF

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:49 am
by ManBungalow
In its latest annual report for fiscal year 2011 to 2012, Planned Parenthood reveals that it performed 333,964 abortions in 2011 – a record year for the organization.

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Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:13 am
by GreecePwns
Compared to the growth rate of the population it is a relative drop, so Night Strike should be happy right now.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:16 am
by thegreekdog
Planned Parenthood reported receiving a record $542 million in taxpayer funding, according to a Susan B. Anthony List analysis of the report, in the form of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements. The amount is 45 percent of Planned Parenthood’s annual revenue.
Contraceptive services at Planned Parenthood have dropped by 12 percent since 2009, and cancer screening & prevention services have dropped by 29 percent.


How does an organization receive record taxpayer funding and also a drop in services?

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:37 am
by AAFitz
thegreekdog wrote:
Planned Parenthood reported receiving a record $542 million in taxpayer funding, according to a Susan B. Anthony List analysis of the report, in the form of government grants, contracts, and Medicaid reimbursements. The amount is 45 percent of Planned Parenthood’s annual revenue.
Contraceptive services at Planned Parenthood have dropped by 12 percent since 2009, and cancer screening & prevention services have dropped by 29 percent.


How does an organization receive record taxpayer funding and also a drop in services?


It wasnt a drop in service overall, it was a change in what service was given.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:48 am
by Metsfanmax
That's not clear from the article. The number of abortions went up by a small amount (1% over the time span listed in the article), so unless there are some other services they offer that became more popular, TGD may very well have a good point.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:07 am
by AAFitz
Metsfanmax wrote:That's not clear from the article. The number of abortions went up by a small amount (1% over the time span listed in the article), so unless there are some other services they offer that became more popular, TGD may very well have a good point.


Ill just go ahead and assume one abortion, costs more than one condom, for the purposes of my hypothesis.

Also, Ill go ahead and assume the costs of delivering them went up, along with security necessary to provide those services.

Im not advocating it either mind you, just pointing out, its not difficult to imagine why the cheap things decreased, as the most expensive service increased.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:18 am
by thegreekdog
AAFitz wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:That's not clear from the article. The number of abortions went up by a small amount (1% over the time span listed in the article), so unless there are some other services they offer that became more popular, TGD may very well have a good point.


Ill just go ahead and assume one abortion, costs more than one condom, for the purposes of my hypothesis.

Also, Ill go ahead and assume the costs of delivering them went up, along with security necessary to provide those services.

Im not advocating it either mind you, just pointing out, its not difficult to imagine why the cheap things decreased, as the most expensive service increased.


So the number of abortions paid for by Planned Parenthood increased. Abortions are more expensive than other contraceptives. Therefore, the funding for Planned Parenthood increased while overall contraceptive services decreased. Makes sense to me. Also kind of shoots down the "taxpayer dollars don't fund abortions" argument that supporters of Planned Parenthood like to occasionally make (e.g. Player).

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:38 am
by AndyDufresne
Is this the topic where we celebrate?

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--Andy

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:07 am
by Johnny Rockets
Taxpayers should fund abortions.
You want to pay for the welfare or incarceration of a citizen that was brought up in a home that did not provide the child with a decent education or moral foundation? One that fast tracked him towards a life of poverty, ignorance, and one that gravitates towards criminal behaviour?

They should be handing out free abortion gift certificates like candy on Christmas. It reduces crime and poverty down the road, and increases the overall brain pool of your citizenry while reducing demand on services and law enforcement.


JRock

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:27 am
by jay_a2j
And we want to throw stones at Hitler? :-s

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:53 am
by thegreekdog
Johnny Rockets wrote:Taxpayers should fund abortions.
You want to pay for the welfare or incarceration of a citizen that was brought up in a home that did not provide the child with a decent education or moral foundation? One that fast tracked him towards a life of poverty, ignorance, and one that gravitates towards criminal behaviour?

They should be handing out free abortion gift certificates like candy on Christmas. It reduces crime and poverty down the road, and increases the overall brain pool of your citizenry while reducing demand on services and law enforcement.


JRock


You are assuming that children who are aborted are those likely to have a poor education, poor moral foundation, live a life of povery, ignorance and crime?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:55 am
by 2dimes
jay_a2j wrote:And we want to throw stones at Hitler? :-s

You seen him around? He owes me $5

Re:

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:11 pm
by jay_a2j
2dimes wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:And we want to throw stones at Hitler? :-s

You seen him around? He owes me $5



He's currently unavailable, you'll have to take an IOU

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:20 pm
by 2dimes
I forget. Why was it bad to throw rocks at him again?

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:28 pm
by 2dimes
thegreekdog wrote:
Johnny Rockets wrote:Taxpayers should fund abortions.
You want to pay for the welfare or incarceration of a citizen that was brought up in a home that did not provide the child with a decent education or moral foundation? One that fast tracked him towards a life of poverty, ignorance, and one that gravitates towards criminal behaviour?

They should be handing out free abortion gift certificates like candy on Christmas. It reduces crime and poverty down the road, and increases the overall brain pool of your citizenry while reducing demand on services and law enforcement.


JRock


You are assuming that children who are aborted are those likely to have a poor education, poor moral foundation, live a life of povery, ignorance and crime?

That and you're probably only aborting 1-6 of the 4-8 times some people* are getting pregnant.









*gender of people getting pregnant with children they don't want intentionally omitted.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:52 pm
by dcowboys055
I'd assume that the more well off, stable families don't get as many abortions as poorer, less stable families, at least percentage wise. Perhaps we could get some more info on that from the Susan B Anthony List :roll: I don't really like politically charged discussions but I like getting all the info from one biased source even less.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:55 pm
by BigBallinStalin
thegreekdog wrote:
Johnny Rockets wrote:Taxpayers should fund abortions.
You want to pay for the welfare or incarceration of a citizen that was brought up in a home that did not provide the child with a decent education or moral foundation? One that fast tracked him towards a life of poverty, ignorance, and one that gravitates towards criminal behaviour?

They should be handing out free abortion gift certificates like candy on Christmas. It reduces crime and poverty down the road, and increases the overall brain pool of your citizenry while reducing demand on services and law enforcement.


JRock


You are assuming that children who are aborted are those likely to have a poor education, poor moral foundation, live a life of povery, ignorance and crime?


Steven Levitt and John Donahue would say, "Yes.."

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 1:33 pm
by thegreekdog
BigBallinStalin wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Johnny Rockets wrote:Taxpayers should fund abortions.
You want to pay for the welfare or incarceration of a citizen that was brought up in a home that did not provide the child with a decent education or moral foundation? One that fast tracked him towards a life of poverty, ignorance, and one that gravitates towards criminal behaviour?

They should be handing out free abortion gift certificates like candy on Christmas. It reduces crime and poverty down the road, and increases the overall brain pool of your citizenry while reducing demand on services and law enforcement.


JRock


You are assuming that children who are aborted are those likely to have a poor education, poor moral foundation, live a life of povery, ignorance and crime?


Steven Levitt and John Donahue would say, "Yes.."


Christopher Foote and Christopher Goetz would say no.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:34 pm
by jay_a2j
2dimes wrote:I forget. Why was it bad to throw rocks at him again?



We like to say how evil and bad Hitler was for killing about 6 million Jews, yet through abortion we have terminated over 50 million lives. So, lets not be so quick to judge Hitler eh?

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:51 pm
by BigBallinStalin
thegreekdog wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:
Johnny Rockets wrote:Taxpayers should fund abortions.
You want to pay for the welfare or incarceration of a citizen that was brought up in a home that did not provide the child with a decent education or moral foundation? One that fast tracked him towards a life of poverty, ignorance, and one that gravitates towards criminal behaviour?

They should be handing out free abortion gift certificates like candy on Christmas. It reduces crime and poverty down the road, and increases the overall brain pool of your citizenry while reducing demand on services and law enforcement.


JRock


You are assuming that children who are aborted are those likely to have a poor education, poor moral foundation, live a life of povery, ignorance and crime?


Steven Levitt and John Donahue would say, "Yes.."


Christopher Foote and Christopher Goetz would say no.


But where's your cool link?
(I'm interesting in reading their stuff).

Re: Re:

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:54 pm
by BigBallinStalin
jay_a2j wrote:
2dimes wrote:I forget. Why was it bad to throw rocks at him again?



We like to say how evil and bad Hitler was for killing about 6 million Jews, yet through abortion we have terminated over 50 million lives. So, lets not be so quick to judge Hitler eh?


Yeah, isherite? Cuz Hitler wasn't so bad and all. He was just misunderstood!

Think about it, if we change the definition of 'human' or 'person', then any 'killer' can appear worthy of praise or of scorn!

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 4:58 pm
by AAFitz
jay_a2j wrote:And we want to throw stones at Hitler? :-s


Once again you are misinformed. Hitler is dead.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:00 pm
by AAFitz
thegreekdog wrote:
AAFitz wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:That's not clear from the article. The number of abortions went up by a small amount (1% over the time span listed in the article), so unless there are some other services they offer that became more popular, TGD may very well have a good point.


Ill just go ahead and assume one abortion, costs more than one condom, for the purposes of my hypothesis.

Also, Ill go ahead and assume the costs of delivering them went up, along with security necessary to provide those services.

Im not advocating it either mind you, just pointing out, its not difficult to imagine why the cheap things decreased, as the most expensive service increased.


So the number of abortions paid for by Planned Parenthood increased. Abortions are more expensive than other contraceptives. Therefore, the funding for Planned Parenthood increased while overall contraceptive services decreased. Makes sense to me. Also kind of shoots down the "taxpayer dollars don't fund abortions" argument that supporters of Planned Parenthood like to occasionally make (e.g. Player).


Perhaps all of that is true, however, your question was how can they receive more funding and offer less services, and I pointed out one scenario that showed how that was possibly not true.

Re: Record Number of Abortions AND Governmental Funding

PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2013 5:02 pm
by AAFitz
thegreekdog wrote:
Johnny Rockets wrote:Taxpayers should fund abortions.
You want to pay for the welfare or incarceration of a citizen that was brought up in a home that did not provide the child with a decent education or moral foundation? One that fast tracked him towards a life of poverty, ignorance, and one that gravitates towards criminal behaviour?

They should be handing out free abortion gift certificates like candy on Christmas. It reduces crime and poverty down the road, and increases the overall brain pool of your citizenry while reducing demand on services and law enforcement.


JRock


You are assuming that children who are aborted are those likely to have a poor education, poor moral foundation, live a life of povery, ignorance and crime?


I doubt very highly he is assuming that at all. However, its very likely that a high proportion would.