pimpdave wrote:muy_thaiguy wrote:He sat and watched the guys who did get Bin Laden on TV.
I'll give him credit for calling out the politicians in Congress for delaying any resolution to the Fiscal Cliff. Aside from that, he's on par with Romney, in my view.
Read a book on the raid man. The mastermind, Admiral McRaven, actually adjusted his plan because of questions Obama asked. McRaven is a special character too, because instead of getting blustery and thinking his plan is the same thing as his ego (the way most high ranking military men are), he thought it all through. It was Obama's idea to send the extra Chinook to refuel the choppers, which turned out to be how they all got out after the one Blackhawk crashed.
Also, it was Obama's idea to have the 101st Airborne standing by in Afghanistan in case Seal Team 6 needed to fight their way out. Everything else was McRaven and the operators.
Wow, that got a nerve. All I said was that Seal Team 6 got him. Which, considering they're the ones that raided OBL's house and shot him dead there, along with neutralizing any other threats, yeah, they did the leg work. Obama watched it unfold. I never said he didn't have anything to do with the planning (though sounds like he was just asking questions and leaving the actual planning to the Admiral).
But seriously, the guy has been more or less on par with politicians like Romney, and even Bush.
Fact is, this site is so toxic when it comes to politics, you guys can't even think (well maybe not you MTG), "Holy Shit, America rules and our Commander-In-Chief did a damn good job".
I just don't fall in line and blindly follow a guy for one thing. Fact is, he was better than Romney, which all things considered, is not good. Did Obama help out with the overall planning? Sure. I'll give him credit for that. I also give him credit for calling out the scumbag politicians that kept delaying the Fiscal Cliff. But otherwise, his overall policies are not much different than previous administrations.
Here's a fun fact: Obama gave McRaven a gold-plated tape measure as a gift congratulating him after the raid. Why? Because after they got Bin Laden's body on an aircraft carrier, they realized they didn't have anything to measure him with to help confirm the identity. So a six foot man laid down next to the corpse, and then they could show that the body was indeed 6'5".
Okay. Nice fact. But not really on topic.
Lastly, Bin Laden was definitely not irrelevant as the previous administration said. It's obvious that was their way of covering up the fact that we weren't finding him. Bin Laden was still directing his underlings with letters almost daily.
Never said he was irrelevant. Not sure where that came from.
Keep in mind, too, that we may not have developed the techniques and raids to stay inside the terrorist's information cycle to carry out the Abbottabad raid had it not been for the crucible of doing the same things in Iraq for years. Sure people can say we might have done it, but it's an impossible egg to unscramble now. Fact is, Seal Team 6 got so awesome because of Iraq, primarily, and there's no telling where else that experience may have come.
And once again, where did I say that Seal Team 6 wasn't awesome? They did their job, and did very well, depsite losing a chopper. They're badass. Just because I'm not a fan of Obama, does not mean I don't fervently support the armed forces. I have relatives and friends in about every branch.